Nice article by Angelique covering Dave Brandon's address to the Wolverine Caucus in Lansing. Nothing too surprising or new here, but I think it's pretty obvious we'll be seeing more stuff rolled out that some may not like. He's not perfect, and while there have been a few ideas I've disliked, it's hard to argue he hasn't been good for the overall direction of the Athletic Department....
Dave Brandon doesn't care about your resistance to change
Delany and the team speaking on behalf of the BIGTEN with regard to a playoff/BCS. As much as a lot of you guys may not be on board with all the changes DB has been pushing, at least he is a progressive guy and senses that the current and future generation are a lot less concerned with tradition that most. of the old guys running things. I seriously doubt DB would sell out for the sole purposes of saving a bowl game, even the Rose Bowl.
I'm a part of the "current generation" and I care a ton about tradition.
I'm not the only one. Read the survey Brian did a few months back. Read the board. Read Brian's posts (Or is he too old to qualify as "current generation"?) Hell, your post makes me wonder if you read MGoBlog at all.
"...the current and future generation are a lot less concerned with tradition that most."
But they'll change as they get older. That part of the tradition of tradition.
Wow. Hate marketers much? I take it you are an engineer who's great idea got shot down?
Fact: Marketers are fuckwads.
First off, I can't believe your POV got upvoted.
Second, what do you think about any product you've ever purchased? Damn those evil marketers. Making, selling and advertising consumer goods. WHAT THE HELL, MAN!?
Now leave me alone so I can play with my iPhone...
Do you rmember Don Cahnam? They called him "Dollar Don". Without Dollar Don, we would not have had Bo, we would now have 50,000, mostly ulumni, in the stands and hope to finish in the top half of the Big Ten every year.
funny as Bill Maher.
even suggest a change: DB dump Pop Evil!
You just missed the entire forest. But yeah, keep looking at that one little tree because it is clearly that important.
forest to me. You are blessed living in Wyoming because of your abundant forests. It is hard for those of us in urban settings to look beyond a single tree. The forest is beautiful man! Just beautiful.
Thanks again, I owe you!
We shelled out hard cash to hire Mattison away from the NFL. That was possible in large part to DB's new 'increased cash flow' operation philosophy. I would be more than happy to have an open debate whether change is good or bad, but you just seem to want to be angry.
Pretty sure we had the coin to hire Mattison or a similarly expensive DC years ago, we just chose not to spend it. THAT'S changed , but it's got little if anything to do with increased cash flow.
I doubt anyone is coming or not coming to Michigan games because of Pop Evil, so complaining about them as an aesthetic abomination is perfectly reasonable.
Do you really know how the Michigan/OSU rivalry will look like in 10, 20 or even 50 years? You can't possibly understand the effect on the long term significance with guesses and assumptions. Only in hindsight will we know what the effect was. My money is that DB thought long and hard about it and made the best choice he could.
LTT just burned his letter from OSU, and then got death threats. I don't really see any signs that the rivalry is going to slip a notch at all.
But again, since both of us are just making assumptions based on our own personal beliefs and biases, neither one of us are going to 'win' this debate. The fact is, we just don't know what will happen until we can look back.
...just wait until M and OSU are both ranked in the top four. Then they might be in the last game of the regular season, the Big Ten championship and possibly again in the national 4 team playoff.
How awesome will it be to play OSU three times in like five weeks? Super awesome, right?
Given the weight of late season losses, it's hard to see a U-M / OSU B1G championship game with the loser of that game going on to a top-four playoff.
It happened before when we were 1 and 2, but until we start putting beating on the SEC powerhouses, we won't be given the type of respect we deserve.
This alleged "much broader popularity" is borne out neither in the regular season nor the post season ratings for the NBA playoffs and NCAA tournament. This year's final four was the highest rated since 2005 at 9.6% of American households, which is still less than the ratings of the past two NBA finals. Regular season ratings follow the same pattern.
And I disagree. The first game of a multi-game series is less interesting than a one and done, obviously, but the strategy and adjustment of a multi-game series, as it plays out, is more dramatic than a single game (at least for basketball, there's obviously no football comparison).
Or he looked at the projected ratings for a Michigan/OSU championship game and saw all the money that goes with it. It really could go both ways
I'll still hate Woody Hayes, Archie Griffin, the whole state of Ohio, the color red, and I'll tell the damn'd whippersnappers to get down in front.
I'm on the record of not really caring that OSU is in the other division. It would have happened once/ twice in the past two decades?
Well I guess it's a good thing the worlds ending in December. Pretty sure everyone would agree there is a better chance of that happening, then a Michigan or Ohio State coach sitting players for "The Game" just so they are well rested for some playoff.
Now a more realistic change would be moving the game. Which would surely end the world, so regardless the world is going to end.
Try to stay more optomistic instead of all doom and gloom the world is not going to end.
He presided over Michigan and OSU being split into seperate divisions, compromising the long-term significance of one of sport's greatest rivalries.
Realistically, could he have prevented this? From what I've read, it sounds like the league was fixated on this from the start.
Because if he is in charge, TRULY in charge, then nothing involving Michigan can take place without his approval. Had he worked just a bit harder, Michigan could have been playing in the title game.
But the fact that Michigan and OSU are the most prominent programs was considered a justification for splitting them up. The smaller programs didn't want to risk going some years without playing one or the other. For schools like Northwestern and Indiana, who depend on visits from big-name schools to sell out, missing out on both schools in a year would mean losing a lot of ticket revenue.
But Brandon has reiterated on more than one occasion he believes change is good. He joked that Michigan fans have been stuck in a pattern of doing things the way they've always been done, and when things have gone wrong, they resort to singing the fight song, "The Victors."
Brandon said: "You know what, I don't care (about resistance) because we're going to be contemporary, we're going to be innovative, we're going to be relevant and we're going to grow."
He brought us Hoke and a (presumably) return to glory. Change is tough but it has to be done to some degree. Look at ND. They're one of only a few teams that's up there with us in the tradition department and are far more resistant than we are to change and they have become irrelevant in all aspects except recruiting, and their fans are lame at their games. I'd say the young people comprising the fan base are not revved up by the game day experience the way they used to be. You've gotta keep up with the times. As long as the ideals aren't compromised, the helmets aren't changed, and we keep winning, I won't have a major beef.
ND is a strawman in this debate though. Their sticking to tradition doesn't equate to them hiring awful coach after awful coach.
i do not believe Hoke was first on his list. the difference between Martin and Brandon is that Martin actually landed someone near the top of his list, right? that and sailboats.
I don't. He has nothing to gain by telling the truth if Hoke wasn't his first choice (as all it would do is undermine him), and everything to gain by lying. Especially with how it has worked out thus far.
This. Even if Hoke wasn't the first choice, he has no responsibility to tell the fans that. It would only serve to undermine Hoke's image to the fan base and his authority over the team. So whether joke was or was not the first choice, I have no problem with the way the search played out, because in this case I think the ends do in fact justify the means. No lasting damage was done by dragging it out and doing his homework.
Im ashamed that my iPhone does not recognize Hoke as a word and that I'm not near a computer to fix this horrible mistake. I apologize.
How insane would it be if the guy who took Stanford from obsolete to 12-1 and a top 4 team wasn't offered or considered? Quite frankly, it would be a failure on DB's part of Harbaugh wasn't offered or considered.
Dave Brandon has done some good things. He's done some bad things. He's gotten very lucky with some things.
He's not the marketing genius, brand guru, etc. that he makes himself out to be.
Or, if you’re cynical, because Brandon didn’t want to contend with as dynamic a personality as Harbaugh. Difficult to control a man like Harbaugh. These debates about Brandon will go on forever, he is very divisive.
Or, Harbaugh was definitely the first choice because he was the most proven coach with Michigan ties coming off a wildly successful season and chose to go to the NFL, leaving Brandon scrambling for another "Michigan Man" that happened to be Brady Hoke.
Which worked out well for all of us, but wasn't some bold masterstroke by Brandon, rather he shoehorned himself into a very small group of candidates based on their assocation with the university and came up with Hoke.
Dave Brandon is a lucky, lucky man.
wait what now? i thought it was pretty clearly established mgodogma that Brandon was waiting for Harbaugh, hence all the waiting around until after the bowl game and all that crap. i don't think it's at all a stretch to say Hoke fell into our lap. considering his resume, it would have taken a ridiculous stretch to put him anywhere near the top. and we still don't know whether he gets hired without the possibility of pulling Mattison on board.
all that sounds pretty anti-Hoke, but it's not meant to be. it's just meant to demonstrate that credits to Brandon need to be discounted given a number of factors involved in Hoke's hiring. ftr: i can't believe how incredible this turnaround has been. i've been following recruting closely since 2005 (thank you, mgo) and long since wrote off the idea that we could ever score a number 1 recruiting class. the whole thing is just nuts and i love it.
Harbaugh's ultimate destination was the NFL. Did DB want to go through this crap again in a few years? Especially when he had a guy that he and a multitude of others thought was a viable option that would stay forever if you let him?
the difference between Martin and Brandon is that Martin actually landed someone near the top of his list, right?
Did Martin even have a list? It seemed to me that he just flailed around for awhile after the Miles fiasco before offering Schiano and then having Rodriguez fall into his lap.
various actions and decide what we think about them, separately AND in aggregate. I'm comfortable personally in saying that his coaching moves have been good ones in both bball and football, but that I think that his aesthetics suck. And I find his "we're going to make a bunch of moves, mostly with base pecuniary motives, call them modern, then accuse you of being a stick-in-the-mud if you don't like them" to be dubious, indeed. For some people, sitting and listening to shite music for three-four hours is pretty painful; the uniforms--let's face it--are about Adidas, Nike, whoever selling product. Given that M has the nicest uniforms in college sport it is really okay to be peevish when someone f's with that, especially if their response to your annoyance is so dismissive.
Just so we can get it clear (because everybody keeps saying it), DB didn't hire JB. He hired Hoke and that's it (unless you are talking about baseball but people keep saying DB improved basketball when he didn't at all).
How about an UFR for Dave Brandon? I would love to see Brian's take on this. If you are out there, Obi Won, we need you. I believe he squarely in positive realm. I mean...how many points is Hoke worth at this point??? Of course you have a negative for those bumble-bee uniforms against MSU.....but I digress. Bottom line: this needs to happen. Who is with me??
...if he can be objective about it. I know he isn't a fan but I think he could overcome his personal feelings. Hell, the facts won't lie....and they may lead us to a negative score. How about a quick listing of posbangs and negbangs:
Pos: Hoke, UTL, scheduling Alabama, rotational games with PAC-12
Neg: Bumble-bee disaster, Appy State reschedule, scheduling Alabama IN DALLAS
Can someone get this idea to those that be????
Stood his ground against the NCAA and the Free Press during practicegate +3
Didn't use practicegate as an excuse to fire RR w/out buyout(class move) +1
Fired Rodriguez +5
Lets coaches handle their own discipline(looking at you BM) +3
Oversaw PDC construction(assist to BM for funding, split a 3) +1.5
Overseeing Crisler renovations(assist to BM for funding, split a 3) +1.5
Oversaw Stadium/Scoreboard renovation(assist to BM, split a 3) +1.5
Took a chance scheduling Alabama in Jerryworld instead of Concordia @home +3
Aweful overpriced pizza in Crisler and Big House -3
Improved atmosphere/better competitive advantage in Michigan Stadium +1
Big Chill +3
In the Big House song -3
Hired Brady Hoke +5
Didn't consult Brian first -3
Hired Greg Mattison +5
Backed his car over Brian's cat (I'm a dog person) -1
Bumblebee MSU jerseys -5
Add it all up...Brandon comes up at +21.5. Did I forget anything? Not too shabby, all things considered.
-5 Didn't fire GERG the day he was hired (if you're going to give him credit for Mattison)
+ 5 for firing RR? That was needed, but hardly a no brainer, I'd say +3.
Fucking Arby's patches? . . . -3
-5 Hardon for a Michigan mascot.
Alabama in Jerryworld instead of Home & Home (which apparently isn't too hard for MSU to pull off) -3
#tags @ spring game -1 (slippery slope getting slippery)
Using the Michigan marching band popularity as a hamfisted negotiating tactic? -5.
Making everything he does as much about Dave Brandon as it is about Michigan -3
That's an extra-4.5, I'd say he's in the hole a bit.
I agree with some of your criticisms (playing Bama in Dallas instead of a home-and-home is my biggest single one), but at the same time, the man's #1 priority, by far, was to get the football program back on track, and that's been accomplished. He's got to be in the positives for that. You can't seriously argue that floating a mascot idea carries more weight than pulling the trigger on RR after year 3 (which a lot of ADs - quite possibly including Bill Martin - would not have done).
If you dont want to acknowledge that finding an unprecedented amount of money to secure Greg Mattison fell on the athletic director...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that undermining his sitting head coach in said coach's "Show Me" year by stepping over him to fire his hand-picked DC would have been appropriate...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that having an AD with the ability to utilize and manipulate the twitters and internets is a bad thing...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that having a lifesized stuffed animal for the kiddies to cuddle with at women's basketball and non-revenue sports would be the end of the world...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that the fact that this gentleman, one of Tom Izzo's best friends, who he talks to "More than Mark Dantonio"
The man about whom this was written...
[It didn't take Nick Saban long to decide he'd rather be the kingpin in Louisiana than continue to play second fiddle in Michigan
Who says there are no secrets anymore? LSU lured Michigan State coach Nick Saban out of East Lansing before anyone there knew he wanted to leave. Saban, 48, bolted for money ($6 million over five years, after earning about $700,000 this season) and so he could coach a team that would be tops on its own turf. "At Michigan State, we were never Number 1 [in the state]," Saban said last week. "That was always Michigan. It was always, 'UM this and that.' " LSU is the only sheaux, as Cajuns might spell it, in Louisiana.
"We don't have a Michigan and Michigan State," says LSU athletic director Joe Dean. "We're both. That's what attracted Nick." ]
If you want to believe that Saban and Alabama(where old MSU coaches go to succeed) giving a sweetheart deal to MSU as opposed to Michigan is some great coup for MSU, proving that Brandon is inferior to Hollis...I guess that is your right.
You can believe whatever you want, but my God would you please open your eyes to the context. I know that you are not so myopic that you cannot take context, politics and common sense into account even when they conflict with your preconceived notions.
Regardless... +5 for retaining Beilein +5 for hiring Bacari Alexander +5 for Lavelle Jordan
He's going to push change. Yes. Just check out his checkered suit and bright yellow tie! Very progressive!
Now think about his reference to doing things the way they did at Dominos. Great pizza, right?
Look, no one questions that certain changes can be good, but other changes are completely unnecessary and stupid. It's a matter of taste.
I ask you again to reflect on the suit and tie, and the bumblebee unis, and the proposal for a mascot, and realize that this man is going to make decisions that are in many ways matters of style. Because a lot of Michigan football tradition is style. The traditional uniforms. The lack of a mascot. The marching band playing instead of piped-in rawk.
The best thing that oculd happen for Michigan athletics would be for Dave Brandon to leave.
Actually, he does care what I and others think, collectively. He may indeed be speaking directly to us, and that's fine. Because I speak directly to him. Often.
I and many others left voicemails on his office phone about not bringing the band to Dallas in September. Funny thing, now they're going.
I and many others emailed our feelings about the mascot idea. Funny thing, that was tabled for at least a while, though I suspect it'll be renewed again.
When the alums give Brandon pushback, he does respect what he's hearing. He may not like it, but he will back off when he suspects it's in his best interest.