Delany and the team speaking on behalf of the BIGTEN with regard to a playoff/BCS. As much as a lot of you guys may not be on board with all the changes DB has been pushing, at least he is a progressive guy and senses that the current and future generation are a lot less concerned with tradition that most. of the old guys running things. I seriously doubt DB would sell out for the sole purposes of saving a bowl game, even the Rose Bowl.
Dave Brandon doesn't care about your resistance to change
I'm a part of the "current generation" and I care a ton about tradition.
I'm not the only one. Read the survey Brian did a few months back. Read the board. Read Brian's posts (Or is he too old to qualify as "current generation"?) Hell, your post makes me wonder if you read MGoBlog at all.
"...the current and future generation are a lot less concerned with tradition that most."
But they'll change as they get older. That part of the tradition of tradition.
Wow. Hate marketers much? I take it you are an engineer who's great idea got shot down?
Fact: Marketers are fuckwads.
First off, I can't believe your POV got upvoted.
Second, what do you think about any product you've ever purchased? Damn those evil marketers. Making, selling and advertising consumer goods. WHAT THE HELL, MAN!?
Now leave me alone so I can play with my iPhone...
Do you rmember Don Cahnam? They called him "Dollar Don". Without Dollar Don, we would not have had Bo, we would now have 50,000, mostly ulumni, in the stands and hope to finish in the top half of the Big Ten every year.
funny as Bill Maher.
even suggest a change: DB dump Pop Evil!
You just missed the entire forest. But yeah, keep looking at that one little tree because it is clearly that important.
forest to me. You are blessed living in Wyoming because of your abundant forests. It is hard for those of us in urban settings to look beyond a single tree. The forest is beautiful man! Just beautiful.
Thanks again, I owe you!
We shelled out hard cash to hire Mattison away from the NFL. That was possible in large part to DB's new 'increased cash flow' operation philosophy. I would be more than happy to have an open debate whether change is good or bad, but you just seem to want to be angry.
Pretty sure we had the coin to hire Mattison or a similarly expensive DC years ago, we just chose not to spend it. THAT'S changed , but it's got little if anything to do with increased cash flow.
I doubt anyone is coming or not coming to Michigan games because of Pop Evil, so complaining about them as an aesthetic abomination is perfectly reasonable.
Do you really know how the Michigan/OSU rivalry will look like in 10, 20 or even 50 years? You can't possibly understand the effect on the long term significance with guesses and assumptions. Only in hindsight will we know what the effect was. My money is that DB thought long and hard about it and made the best choice he could.
LTT just burned his letter from OSU, and then got death threats. I don't really see any signs that the rivalry is going to slip a notch at all.
But again, since both of us are just making assumptions based on our own personal beliefs and biases, neither one of us are going to 'win' this debate. The fact is, we just don't know what will happen until we can look back.
...just wait until M and OSU are both ranked in the top four. Then they might be in the last game of the regular season, the Big Ten championship and possibly again in the national 4 team playoff.
How awesome will it be to play OSU three times in like five weeks? Super awesome, right?
Given the weight of late season losses, it's hard to see a U-M / OSU B1G championship game with the loser of that game going on to a top-four playoff.
It happened before when we were 1 and 2, but until we start putting beating on the SEC powerhouses, we won't be given the type of respect we deserve.
This alleged "much broader popularity" is borne out neither in the regular season nor the post season ratings for the NBA playoffs and NCAA tournament. This year's final four was the highest rated since 2005 at 9.6% of American households, which is still less than the ratings of the past two NBA finals. Regular season ratings follow the same pattern.
And I disagree. The first game of a multi-game series is less interesting than a one and done, obviously, but the strategy and adjustment of a multi-game series, as it plays out, is more dramatic than a single game (at least for basketball, there's obviously no football comparison).
Or he looked at the projected ratings for a Michigan/OSU championship game and saw all the money that goes with it. It really could go both ways
I'll still hate Woody Hayes, Archie Griffin, the whole state of Ohio, the color red, and I'll tell the damn'd whippersnappers to get down in front.
I'm on the record of not really caring that OSU is in the other division. It would have happened once/ twice in the past two decades?
Well I guess it's a good thing the worlds ending in December. Pretty sure everyone would agree there is a better chance of that happening, then a Michigan or Ohio State coach sitting players for "The Game" just so they are well rested for some playoff.
Now a more realistic change would be moving the game. Which would surely end the world, so regardless the world is going to end.
Try to stay more optomistic instead of all doom and gloom the world is not going to end.
He presided over Michigan and OSU being split into seperate divisions, compromising the long-term significance of one of sport's greatest rivalries.
Realistically, could he have prevented this? From what I've read, it sounds like the league was fixated on this from the start.
Because if he is in charge, TRULY in charge, then nothing involving Michigan can take place without his approval. Had he worked just a bit harder, Michigan could have been playing in the title game.
But the fact that Michigan and OSU are the most prominent programs was considered a justification for splitting them up. The smaller programs didn't want to risk going some years without playing one or the other. For schools like Northwestern and Indiana, who depend on visits from big-name schools to sell out, missing out on both schools in a year would mean losing a lot of ticket revenue.
But Brandon has reiterated on more than one occasion he believes change is good. He joked that Michigan fans have been stuck in a pattern of doing things the way they've always been done, and when things have gone wrong, they resort to singing the fight song, "The Victors."
Brandon said: "You know what, I don't care (about resistance) because we're going to be contemporary, we're going to be innovative, we're going to be relevant and we're going to grow."
He brought us Hoke and a (presumably) return to glory. Change is tough but it has to be done to some degree. Look at ND. They're one of only a few teams that's up there with us in the tradition department and are far more resistant than we are to change and they have become irrelevant in all aspects except recruiting, and their fans are lame at their games. I'd say the young people comprising the fan base are not revved up by the game day experience the way they used to be. You've gotta keep up with the times. As long as the ideals aren't compromised, the helmets aren't changed, and we keep winning, I won't have a major beef.
ND is a strawman in this debate though. Their sticking to tradition doesn't equate to them hiring awful coach after awful coach.
i do not believe Hoke was first on his list. the difference between Martin and Brandon is that Martin actually landed someone near the top of his list, right? that and sailboats.
I don't. He has nothing to gain by telling the truth if Hoke wasn't his first choice (as all it would do is undermine him), and everything to gain by lying. Especially with how it has worked out thus far.
This. Even if Hoke wasn't the first choice, he has no responsibility to tell the fans that. It would only serve to undermine Hoke's image to the fan base and his authority over the team. So whether joke was or was not the first choice, I have no problem with the way the search played out, because in this case I think the ends do in fact justify the means. No lasting damage was done by dragging it out and doing his homework.
Im ashamed that my iPhone does not recognize Hoke as a word and that I'm not near a computer to fix this horrible mistake. I apologize.
How insane would it be if the guy who took Stanford from obsolete to 12-1 and a top 4 team wasn't offered or considered? Quite frankly, it would be a failure on DB's part of Harbaugh wasn't offered or considered.
Dave Brandon has done some good things. He's done some bad things. He's gotten very lucky with some things.
He's not the marketing genius, brand guru, etc. that he makes himself out to be.
Or, if you’re cynical, because Brandon didn’t want to contend with as dynamic a personality as Harbaugh. Difficult to control a man like Harbaugh. These debates about Brandon will go on forever, he is very divisive.
Or, Harbaugh was definitely the first choice because he was the most proven coach with Michigan ties coming off a wildly successful season and chose to go to the NFL, leaving Brandon scrambling for another "Michigan Man" that happened to be Brady Hoke.
Which worked out well for all of us, but wasn't some bold masterstroke by Brandon, rather he shoehorned himself into a very small group of candidates based on their assocation with the university and came up with Hoke.
Dave Brandon is a lucky, lucky man.
wait what now? i thought it was pretty clearly established mgodogma that Brandon was waiting for Harbaugh, hence all the waiting around until after the bowl game and all that crap. i don't think it's at all a stretch to say Hoke fell into our lap. considering his resume, it would have taken a ridiculous stretch to put him anywhere near the top. and we still don't know whether he gets hired without the possibility of pulling Mattison on board.
all that sounds pretty anti-Hoke, but it's not meant to be. it's just meant to demonstrate that credits to Brandon need to be discounted given a number of factors involved in Hoke's hiring. ftr: i can't believe how incredible this turnaround has been. i've been following recruting closely since 2005 (thank you, mgo) and long since wrote off the idea that we could ever score a number 1 recruiting class. the whole thing is just nuts and i love it.
Harbaugh's ultimate destination was the NFL. Did DB want to go through this crap again in a few years? Especially when he had a guy that he and a multitude of others thought was a viable option that would stay forever if you let him?
the difference between Martin and Brandon is that Martin actually landed someone near the top of his list, right?
Did Martin even have a list? It seemed to me that he just flailed around for awhile after the Miles fiasco before offering Schiano and then having Rodriguez fall into his lap.
various actions and decide what we think about them, separately AND in aggregate. I'm comfortable personally in saying that his coaching moves have been good ones in both bball and football, but that I think that his aesthetics suck. And I find his "we're going to make a bunch of moves, mostly with base pecuniary motives, call them modern, then accuse you of being a stick-in-the-mud if you don't like them" to be dubious, indeed. For some people, sitting and listening to shite music for three-four hours is pretty painful; the uniforms--let's face it--are about Adidas, Nike, whoever selling product. Given that M has the nicest uniforms in college sport it is really okay to be peevish when someone f's with that, especially if their response to your annoyance is so dismissive.
Just so we can get it clear (because everybody keeps saying it), DB didn't hire JB. He hired Hoke and that's it (unless you are talking about baseball but people keep saying DB improved basketball when he didn't at all).
How about an UFR for Dave Brandon? I would love to see Brian's take on this. If you are out there, Obi Won, we need you. I believe he squarely in positive realm. I mean...how many points is Hoke worth at this point??? Of course you have a negative for those bumble-bee uniforms against MSU.....but I digress. Bottom line: this needs to happen. Who is with me??
...if he can be objective about it. I know he isn't a fan but I think he could overcome his personal feelings. Hell, the facts won't lie....and they may lead us to a negative score. How about a quick listing of posbangs and negbangs:
Pos: Hoke, UTL, scheduling Alabama, rotational games with PAC-12
Neg: Bumble-bee disaster, Appy State reschedule, scheduling Alabama IN DALLAS
Can someone get this idea to those that be????
Stood his ground against the NCAA and the Free Press during practicegate +3
Didn't use practicegate as an excuse to fire RR w/out buyout(class move) +1
Fired Rodriguez +5
Lets coaches handle their own discipline(looking at you BM) +3
Oversaw PDC construction(assist to BM for funding, split a 3) +1.5
Overseeing Crisler renovations(assist to BM for funding, split a 3) +1.5
Oversaw Stadium/Scoreboard renovation(assist to BM, split a 3) +1.5
Took a chance scheduling Alabama in Jerryworld instead of Concordia @home +3
Aweful overpriced pizza in Crisler and Big House -3
Improved atmosphere/better competitive advantage in Michigan Stadium +1
Big Chill +3
In the Big House song -3
Hired Brady Hoke +5
Didn't consult Brian first -3
Hired Greg Mattison +5
Backed his car over Brian's cat (I'm a dog person) -1
Bumblebee MSU jerseys -5
Add it all up...Brandon comes up at +21.5. Did I forget anything? Not too shabby, all things considered.
-5 Didn't fire GERG the day he was hired (if you're going to give him credit for Mattison)
+ 5 for firing RR? That was needed, but hardly a no brainer, I'd say +3.
Fucking Arby's patches? . . . -3
-5 Hardon for a Michigan mascot.
Alabama in Jerryworld instead of Home & Home (which apparently isn't too hard for MSU to pull off) -3
#tags @ spring game -1 (slippery slope getting slippery)
Using the Michigan marching band popularity as a hamfisted negotiating tactic? -5.
Making everything he does as much about Dave Brandon as it is about Michigan -3
That's an extra-4.5, I'd say he's in the hole a bit.
I agree with some of your criticisms (playing Bama in Dallas instead of a home-and-home is my biggest single one), but at the same time, the man's #1 priority, by far, was to get the football program back on track, and that's been accomplished. He's got to be in the positives for that. You can't seriously argue that floating a mascot idea carries more weight than pulling the trigger on RR after year 3 (which a lot of ADs - quite possibly including Bill Martin - would not have done).
If you dont want to acknowledge that finding an unprecedented amount of money to secure Greg Mattison fell on the athletic director...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that undermining his sitting head coach in said coach's "Show Me" year by stepping over him to fire his hand-picked DC would have been appropriate...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that having an AD with the ability to utilize and manipulate the twitters and internets is a bad thing...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that having a lifesized stuffed animal for the kiddies to cuddle with at women's basketball and non-revenue sports would be the end of the world...I guess that is your right.
If you want to believe that the fact that this gentleman, one of Tom Izzo's best friends, who he talks to "More than Mark Dantonio"
The man about whom this was written...
[It didn't take Nick Saban long to decide he'd rather be the kingpin in Louisiana than continue to play second fiddle in Michigan
Who says there are no secrets anymore? LSU lured Michigan State coach Nick Saban out of East Lansing before anyone there knew he wanted to leave. Saban, 48, bolted for money ($6 million over five years, after earning about $700,000 this season) and so he could coach a team that would be tops on its own turf. "At Michigan State, we were never Number 1 [in the state]," Saban said last week. "That was always Michigan. It was always, 'UM this and that.' " LSU is the only sheaux, as Cajuns might spell it, in Louisiana.
"We don't have a Michigan and Michigan State," says LSU athletic director Joe Dean. "We're both. That's what attracted Nick." ]
If you want to believe that Saban and Alabama(where old MSU coaches go to succeed) giving a sweetheart deal to MSU as opposed to Michigan is some great coup for MSU, proving that Brandon is inferior to Hollis...I guess that is your right.
You can believe whatever you want, but my God would you please open your eyes to the context. I know that you are not so myopic that you cannot take context, politics and common sense into account even when they conflict with your preconceived notions.
Regardless... +5 for retaining Beilein +5 for hiring Bacari Alexander +5 for Lavelle Jordan
He's going to push change. Yes. Just check out his checkered suit and bright yellow tie! Very progressive!
Now think about his reference to doing things the way they did at Dominos. Great pizza, right?
Look, no one questions that certain changes can be good, but other changes are completely unnecessary and stupid. It's a matter of taste.
I ask you again to reflect on the suit and tie, and the bumblebee unis, and the proposal for a mascot, and realize that this man is going to make decisions that are in many ways matters of style. Because a lot of Michigan football tradition is style. The traditional uniforms. The lack of a mascot. The marching band playing instead of piped-in rawk.
The best thing that oculd happen for Michigan athletics would be for Dave Brandon to leave.
Actually, he does care what I and others think, collectively. He may indeed be speaking directly to us, and that's fine. Because I speak directly to him. Often.
I and many others left voicemails on his office phone about not bringing the band to Dallas in September. Funny thing, now they're going.
I and many others emailed our feelings about the mascot idea. Funny thing, that was tabled for at least a while, though I suspect it'll be renewed again.
When the alums give Brandon pushback, he does respect what he's hearing. He may not like it, but he will back off when he suspects it's in his best interest.
...gd it, that's not who i replied to.
very much this. any time it's gotten to the point where i've felt compelled to email, Brandon has reversed himself. he seems to me to be very willing to push the alums to see how far they'll let him go and this isn't just through direct statements. he seems to understand how to float ideas in the press via anonymously sourced leaks on top of the usual direct quote stuff. he's very savvy and good at what he does...i just don't happen to like a lot of it.
he seems exactly like you'd expect a Dominoes CEO to be. very capable of handling media, very quarterly report (or the equivalent) oriented. can't/won't play the long game because there's no incentive to/he never learned.
his experience under Bo doesn't seem to have taught him much about Michigan, but a lot about what it means that he survived/thrived under a guy like Bo Schembechler. i.e. "if i can play under Bo, i can do X. i'm the shit, y'all".
God I love you. There is nobody I hate more than Dave Brandon. Seriously, I absolutely hate the guy. I feel like he's a slimeball out for money without caring about what others think. I feel like he's destroying something I love. I feel like he's a bad guy changing a classic program for the worse.
Edit: Glad I got tagged as flamebait for saying that I hate DB and that I think he's bringing Michigan down. At least be 'man' enough to comment and explain why you disagree. It's a sad day when I think that other Michigan fans actually like the changes he's making. Yayyy for mascots and advertising!
"I don't care what it is, any change that's been proposed, this has been a culture that wants to resist it, because we all want to go back to the way it was when we were there because that's friendly and that's comfortable." - Dave Brandon, in the article
Like quite a bit of organizational change across SE Michigan, I imagine that some of this is driven by a goal of remaining profitable as an entity (which Michigan athletics can do), and the expanded and reformed marketing department is part of that. I work in a regulated environment and even we have done something like this because of the economic landscape.
He has a point here simply because culture shifts and a different generation is defining what that culture is at our fair university - some of us remember Bo, for example, or at least were around for the tail end of that era (I have stronger memories of the Moeller and Carr years myself) and that was an great era of Michigan football (I'll confine this to football for simplicity). It is this era which, for the majority of those living right now, built Michigan's mammoth brand equity. There is the future, of course - if I wanted to make Michigan appealing to my kids, whose first football memories would likely be from the Hoke years, it's very difficult for me to rest on the laurels of previous eras of the program because they would never REALLY get it.
You could make a similar argument for most of the other varsity sports, but the overarching point from from a business perspective is remaining relevant and not necessarily being satisfied with the "this is simply Michigan" attitude. I understand where he is coming from - you can do nothing and eventually exhaust all that equity you have if the definition of "Michigan" becomes indistinct in a different cultural landscape. A responsible organization would continue to ensure that it remains distinct, making the changes necessary to ensure maximum success in the current environment.
In an era where change is accelerated and things become viral in the time it will take me to finish my current beer, argumentum ad antiquitatem seems especially futile.
So, from a business standpoint, I totally get it. Now, I don't want to see a single damn ad in Michigan Stadium, Dave.
I never broke it down like that but this is right on the money. I've been through four megers, three downsizings and read every stupid-business-culture-soup-de-jour-for-the-minions book in the last 15 years. Brandon embodies this bullshit, and yet the sad fact is a lot of that bullshit works.
Michigan is glorious because it breeds people who have a strong opinion and are adept at backing it up, and we love questioning authority. I love to question authority and yet I have yet to see Brandon make a truely bad business decision.
There are those curmudgeons who oppose change in all its forms. What I, personally, am opposed to -- and what I see most strongly represented on this board -- is the imposition of change that might benefit some but not the majority, and an apparent diregard (or contempt?) for fans' interests.
Brandon has, on the whole, made Michigan a more expensive brand. Is this good for the AD? Yes, it brings in the cash moneys. Is it good for the fans? I would argue not so much. Everything is more expensive, from ticket prices to concessions (including any portion of drinking water during a heat wave) to more products being put on the market to entice our dollars. But what do we get? What is our proportional increase in benefit from the increased cost?
A strong bottom line for the AD is very important, naturally, for long-term success, which we fans benefit from. However, there is an additional consideration here, in that the UM AD is not a for-profit entity. They are not selling widgets, they generate a product that has a "deeper" bottom line. Not a charitable mission per se, but it is something that transcends dollars: a tribal affiliation and a history that goes along with it. Maintaining the integrity ot this must be the focus of any decision, from a fan's perspective.
The question is, where is the point at which that tribal affiliation becomes devalued? Is a marginal increase in revenue worth the emotional cost of a large portion of your market getting less enjoyment out of the product? Shouldn't that be important? Where is the break-even point? How do we know when we've hit it?
...And this is where the alarm bells start ringing. Maybe Michigan fans are curmudgeons; maybe we resist change irrationally; maybe we are hard (read: impossible) to please. Maybe so. But you know what? That's the market! That is who the brand is being sold to! If your audience is booing and jeering you, do you pull a Charlie-Sheen-in-Detroit and start deriding the audience as being a bunch of morons? Or do you take a look at your product/performance and consider how to make it better for your audience?!
Brandon has admitted to having unpopular ideas and making unpopular decisions. Unpopular decisions based on principle can be healthy and envigorating; if they are made based on self-serving interests, well, you can describe that as you see fit.
Dave Brandon has had his successes, I will give him that. But if there is one thing my Dad said that was always right, "If it ain't broke don't fix it!". When Don Canham became the athletic director in the early 1960s, change was needed. The program was slumping on and off the field, fans weren't enthused, and college football wasn't as profitable as it is now. Brandon is messing with a program which has proven it is the top athletic department in the nation for decades. Would you all be so supportive of DB is the team had gone 5-6 last year? Hell no. We're being jaded by the success on the field and willing to allow such blasphemous additions like ARBY'S patches on jerseys. Are you kidding me!? And what was it, 7 or 8 uniform changes last year? I'll let you folks in on a little secret, Michigan football isn't world famous for being innovative off the field, the team is about winning and TRADITION. I don't know about you, but leave the costume changes and field designs and gimmick games to classless programs like Oregon. Michigan made a name through continuity, not conformity to the winds which are sweeping college football. All of you who are in support of this crap can appologize when Wally the Wolverine charges into the Michigan Stadium Wolverena presented by Ford in 2013. Fools. Brandon proved one thing to me in the past few months, his most important priority is profit. Look at the band! Don't you realize he was willing to leave the damn marching band behind to make some money playing a game in Jerry Jones' monstrosity? Makes me sick, just like Domino's pizza.
Brady Hoke has done more to "fix" the program than Brandon! I'll give him credit where credit is due, for hiring Hoke (albeit after an overly strenuous process) but the reemergence of the football program as a national star has very little, if anything to do with Brandon's wacky ideas. Likewise, Brandon hasn't really touched basketball, I think we can all agreed it was a slow rebuilding process culminated by Coach Beilein. And if anything, your point about the student section not being filled lately, has more to due with Brandon and the athletic department's policies than anything else. Who the hell wants to listen to the crap that is played more than once a game? And the restrictions against bringing things into the stadium are simply a ploy to force people to buy the overpriced concessions.
But the concessions at Michigan are in line with concessions at most major venues. You gotta get out more buddy.
You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters Herm. This is exactly right. Brandon brought a UTL game and hired Hoke. The hiring of Hoke could've gone the other way obviously but it was a good hire (so far obviously, you never know what will happen and it's been one season). Other than that, he's talked about mascots, new uniforms, lots of piped in music, etc.
It has nothing to do with an age gap or anything of who likes the new change. I'm 20 years old and hate it. Some recruits might like the new uniforms but I'm sure some recruits don't like it either. Nobody is going to get commits because of just the uniform and the only thing changing the uniform will do is break tradition, something that WILL affect recruits. Alabama, Texas, and USC haven't had any problems recruiting with their traditional uniforms. Never, ever should we wear what we wore against MSU. Notre Dame was bad enough, but those MSU jerseys are just on another level of terror and I'm afraid that more is to come.
The trite line about "recruits loving it" or "players loving it" has nothing to do with the new jerseys. The logic is simple:
Create more jerseys, sell more jerseys. People are more likely to add jerseys to their collection if there are more types of jersey to buy.
It is a simple ploy to increase revenue -- nothing more.
I know that but the "recruits love it" is what people spew when people say they hate them. It's all a money ploy in reality but people here love to pretend that as long as it's in the name of recruiting, it's okay.
Thr marching band issue was a criminal offense. We will need them there considering it essentially an away game. Also, at Jerry World....WTF? Iw old have preferred Giants Stadium for personal reasons and for leveling the Fan base playing field.
An Arby's logo would never fly. It goes against tradition. However, a Burger King shoulder patch, with a cool looking crown... well, now your talking.
and we should replace the wings on the helmets with the golden arches....oh and some more uniform numbers, like 14 different random uniform numbers on each helmet
Whoever delivers us from the perils of High-lighter Yellow as an official color earns my allegiance. Oh, and a home-and-home with Georgia, Clemson, or maybe Texas would be great as well.
Love Herm's "Wolverena" comment.
Removing the walls you could make use of in the bathrooms. A part of me dies everytime I have to sue a urinal at Michigan Stadium.
A close second? Scheduling the team he should not schedule ever again.
DB had absolutely nothing to do with the urinals now populating the men's rooms in lieu of the old trough-style tiled walls...plumbing code prohibits communal toilets. Besides, I believe all of those changes were constructed or at least planned when DB came aboard.
I don't think many of us cared if he did the major things that actually help you win football games like spending more for recruiting, bringing in one of the most respected DCs in the game but is it really necessary to wear alternate unis for every damn game.
"Vintage" my ass. No Michigan Wolverine has ever worn a football uniform like those concoctions he dressed them in last season. They were complete fictions, developed by picking and choosing and combining disparate elements from various uniforms over the years until he got the Frankenstein monsters he wanted. But they were "contemporary" so it's all good.
You can be assured that there will be a mascot on the stadium grounds before the 2014 season finishes, if not before.
I have Dave Brandon's e-mailing address and I am sending him a letter right now about this issue. Is it okay to put this up? I had to look it up on one of the letters the athletic department sent me after I bought season tickets and I'm not sure if anyone is allowed to e-mail him. I would certainly pass it on to you, Don.
His email has been posted to this site plenty of times before. In fact, I'm pretty sure everyone who has ever visited this site emailed him to get the damn band to Dallas.
If I needed it, it wouldn't be about the possibility of a mascot. I know I'm in the tiniest possible minority here at MGoBlog, but that's one thing I just can't work up hate for. Especially, as I suspect, Brandon is smart enough to initially confine Willy the Wolverine (or whatever the hell he'll call it) to the grounds outside the stands. The mascot will not be seen in the stands, let alone down on the field, until his presence is taken for granted in general. He'll wander around the grounds pre-game and post-game, having his picture taken a billion times with little kids and teenage girls and Grandpa and Grandma, and all the local TV stations will be fighting with each other to have their on-the-spot sports reporter do interviews with him.
The despondent and meaningless figure you describe could very well be the mascot for an individual human's place in modern civilization.
If we have to have a mascot why not bring THIS guy back........I'm good with it
Yeah, but say it was like 2006 and Michigan and Ohio run the table in say 2013. We may beat Ohio in the final game, but play them again and lose. Then they send Ohio to the championship game along with a random SEC school. This is why we should be in the same division.
Does his job involve public relations, like, at all? Or is he simply trying to maximize revenue? If the latter, then he should be selling advertising in Michigan stadium because that's a free source of income for the athletic department. If there's even an ounce of public relations in his job description, then calling out naysayers for preventing Michigan from "being relevant" doesn't help him accomplish this goal.
Change is not bad in itself. I don’t think many people are arguing that it is. When people make the argument that people who are opposed to a proposed change are actually just opposed to change generally, they are being at best unfair. For example, I can dislike the addition of piped in music to the Michigan football experience without disliking all change. We can, as rational and reasonable people, disagree on things. I really don’t like DB’s approach here, because he seems to be suggesting that people who disagree with him are simply afraid of change, which marginalizes large factions of the fan base. Perhaps I’ve interpreted his comments incorrectly, but I don’t like what he seems to be saying.
a lot of things people hated as well. Some of those things are the very traditions which UM alums love so much.
Nothing becomes a tradition until its tried at least once.
My favorite part of this is that the resistors think they can change things by complaining about it on the internet. I'm sorry, but I fully support Brandon and he's completely right. People are still gonna pack Michigan Stadium no matter what. The sooner you guys understand this. If we don't adapt we will die. It's that simple.
I think there is definitely a strong enough history and amount of tradition to keep the name, the brand, whatever you want to call it going. "Michigan" is a national name.
Just a few years ago you had people complaining that they didn't want to see suites added onto the stadium because it would do away with the traditional Big House but take a look at it. It's an amazing venue. Everything looks great, it was done the right way (imo), has both style and function to it, and I haven't heard anyone complain about them since before construction started.
"I'm sorry, but I fully support Brandon and he's completely right. People are still gonna pack Michigan Stadium no matter what."
So, you support whatever Brandond wants because, no matter how much he dilutes the brand, principles, etc., Michigan will continue to be a successful commercial product? This is called "nihilism." Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos!
Die? I'm pretty sure we weren't dying except for 2008-2010. Even Carr's last years with only decent coaching and recruiting we weren't "dying". It's all about winning. Winning brings in money and fame, not adding mascots and tacky uniforms. Yeah, people probably will pack Michigan Stadium but that doesn't mean you should take advantage of that necessarily.
And nobody honestly thinks they can resist the change by complaining on MGoBlog. People think they can do that through email, phone calls, etc. which HAS worked before. Just because people resist changes though doesn't mean we're resisting change in general. I really, really hate some of the changes he's trying to push but I'm all for UTL games, stronger OOC opponents, etc. I'd like to see improvements on Michigan tradition, not things that not only won't improve it but could undermine it partially...
I wonder what DB's Borg designation is.
Mercurius of Borg.
"Resistance is futile. Your money will be assimilated."