Well I would hope we would have a coach by the end of the week. IMO it would be disasterous to wait longer. What is there....three weeks left until signing day? Every day gone by at this point is another day we're out on recruiting. That's why I don't think it will be Hoke and why I do think it will be Les. No point in waiting this long if all along you were planning on taking Hoke.
dave brandon in dallas
Yeah I agree. If we get Hoke, then why wouldn't we have done it sooner (other than waiting the week that is required by the state, I didn't know this until it was posted by the OP). I think it is Miles and it will be done Wednesday. I for one am not a big fan of Miles being our HC. But what can I do about it?
I supported RR since day 1. It is sad that it didn't work out. I will support whoever the new HC is because I love Michigan. Miles is not my first choice, but he is not my last either. Personally, I am at the point that I don't really care who the coach is, as long as we start beating the shit out of tOSU and Sparty again every year.
... for OSU.
I love your enthusiasm!
I'd rather see Chuckie Gruden, if at all possible.
I wasn't pro Miles at first. At this point, I have looked at what he does and that's WIN. You cannot take that away from him and he's a hell of a recruiter (Definitely helped by LA hotbed that likes to stay home at LSU which also opens up his LA pipeline to us). His offense is diverse running some power football, option, spread em out and trick plays. But most importantly, he fields a hell of a defense every year and his D-Coordinator is highly regarded. His name alone would help with high school kids over someone like Hoke.
At this point, hire a coach for the love of god and lets start poaching some recruits!
GO BLUE fuk msu/osu
Yeah I think Miles would be the better pick over Hoke at this point. Again, he still isn't my first choice but I think that he could get Michigan back to winning and bringing in high profile players. Nothing against our current players, but I think Miles would be able to use Denard and co. and build upon them.
for Brandon to be in Dallas, because he should be able to get a lot of interviews out of the way with the coaches confrence going on there. I too am thinking wednesday, and for some reason there is a rumor going around (including on Rivals) that the coach named is going to come out of nowhere.
I think we all want this to be over with by wednesday, but I would wait a little longer if it were someone like John Harbaugh.
well one would assume that if Hoke and Miles aren't in the conversation the coach would have to come out of no where. If Brandon doesn't get Miles and like the rest of us sees Hoke as a pretty underwhelming prospect, the new coach would have to come out of left field.
John Gruden perhaps?
for the other JH. His team is still in playoffs and they have a big game this weekend against their arch rival.
...DB probably set up a 10' x 10' booth in the lobby with literature and Michigan keychains to attract potential candidates.
to drink all day! Here's to Johnny Walker and F5.
I'll 2nd Johnny Walker as our head coach. Jim beam as dc. Jose Cuervo as oc.
And Captain Morgan as LB coach. He looks like he would be a beast at LB.
No Jose please. That dirty bastard ruins every party he goes to.
Jack Daniels for OC?
JD is clutch so he needs to be Special Teams coach. We need a clutch kicker. Or just a kicker period.
Logic hasn't appliled so far; I'm not holding my breath. It would be pretty funny, though, if he has already made his decision and was just flying around to mislead the media and keep from being interviewed by any of the instate outlets.
UM/OSU hoops game.
Jobs at the U are supposed to be posted for a minimum of seven calendar days. However, there is a waiver process for situations where an immediate signing is required.
Here's the relevant info: http://spg.umich.edu/pdf/201.22.pdf
7 days bologna. This is not a "Regular Staff" hire. If it's more than 7 days it's because we arent' ready yet.
Is poor. If logic truly prevailed we wouldn't be in this situation.
It is one of Miles, Hoke or Patterson. Everyone is focused on Miles, both because he is the most logical choice and because we seem to have a "wolverine-winged" plane spending tons of time at the Baton Rouge airport. If DB is trying to keep this a secret, the last thing he would do is park such an obvious aircraft in LSU country. That means the "wolverine-winged" plane was sent there by DB as a decoy to throw everyone off (and it has worked beautifully).
So, is it Hoke or Patterson? We could have had Hoke days ago and that hire will do little to heal the rift in the Michigan family (and DB knows this), so my money is on Patterson.
This is turning into Warren Commission. Back..and to the left, back and to the left. Grassy knoll and everything.
... it can't be Miles. He would eat the grassy knoll.
is in Dallas! Hmmmm.
Dave Ferrie (Joe Pesci) in New Orleans! Holy shit were never going to find out.
Or DB is teaming up with the CIA to invade Cuba and the CC is a ruse...
This comment made me happy. No Bill, don't get your hopes up.
So what would be the purpose of this conspiracy theory? What good does it do anyone, especially Brandon, to intentionally mislead the media? I think you're drastically overestimating how much DB cares whether we know what's going on or not.
He'll be treated the same as RR was. Outsider, not one of us. Throw in his tirade about getting a concussed player who hadn't been medically cleared back into the Rose Bowl and he's dead in the water.
Don't forget that last time we were looking for a head coach, les miles was given the outsider treatment for his actions, and his history w/ michigan was overlooked. The regime has shifted since then, but it is unclear how much. I'm not quite convinced things have changed, but maybe the program has become desperate enough to take a flyer on him.
I would much rather have Patterson, but Miles seems to have the momentum now...at least that of the internets...
The coach will be introduced during the OSU game Wednesday but I think will know before then. There got to be a leak once the coach signs. It would be truly amazing if at half DB wheels out a coach without us knowing.
Professor X is going to be our new head coach???
Commander in Chief...wheels out a coach?
Our new coach is going to be a paraplegic?
truck. Like a true delivery man. That would be kind of different. Memorable, at least.
Maybe like Hannibal Lecter. He'd eat the other team's faces.
our new paraplegic coach will walk.
Forgive me but I can't resist..."mein fuhrer, I can walk!!"
Mike Barwis once crippled a man, just to prove he could heal him...
DB understands PR pretty well. If it's someone shocking and impressive like stoops, patterson, gruden, (maybe miles), then I could see a big intro at the game. But, I think he knows better to trot out an unproven commodity like Hoke in front of thousands of fans who expect the very best. He'll have to ask himself what the potential backlash would be.
I think it would be a safe bet that we have Michigan representatives on the "Winged Helmet" plane jetting around SEC country, but that DB is in Dallas at the coaching conference.
There are three aircraft involved, but they would never keep flying the "wolverine-winged" one (or probably even the Dominos one) into the Baton Rouge airport if they did not want it to be seen there. It is too obvious a blunder to really be a blunder. It has to be intentional. And I agree that Brandon is spending most of his time in Dallas interviewing Patterson, Hoke and potential coordinators. He will meet with Miles on Tuesday when Miles flies to Dallas to speak at the convention. Miles will be the last person he meets with directly.
floating around with a stuffed animal attached to the front. wards off evil spirits.
Must be Gerg's plane.
get an automatic +1 from me.
There was a NetJet that flew from Baton Rouge to Savannah/Hilton Head to Westchester (NY), the same route the winged one has flown. My guess (totally a guess) is that the executive search person who is based out of NYC was picked up by the "wolverine-winged" plane originally and flown down to BR and/or Dallas and then took a NetJet flight back afterwards. I still cannot figure out the Savannah/Hilton Head stops. Some think it is visits to LC by DB or MSC but I'm not buying that yet.
Check out p.32 of this thread on TigerDroppings (if you think I've totally lost it, spend some time over there):
The third is a Zeppelin, another disaster about to happen.
I think the fact that we're not willing to draw any firm conclusions about the winged plane going where it does suggests its not really such an "obvious blunder" to be using it during the coaching search.
It was on the local news down there and it is in the papers and all over the LSU websites. Hardly what you would want if you were trying to meet with Miles without anyone knowing.
Doesn't anyone fly commercial any more? It's it possible that he just took an American Airline flight to Dallas? Even the very few people I know who are super wealthy fly commerical to major destinations where there is a first class cabin on available flights.
First, they will be discussing things on the planes and this is way too confidential to do it on a commercial flight. Besides, DB has easy access to a Dominos jet (he remains chairman) and to the UM planes. If you had access to private jets, would you fly commercial?
I wonder how many jets we have? I wonder if DB is using Wolverine 1 or Wolverine 3.
would you take it back right away?
Neither would I.
Seriously, absolutely no offense intended here - but if the wealthy ppl you know and are referring to are that humble, that's great. But my experience is that if private is available then that's the way to go. By a long shot.
"... be careful with my Lesticles, they are precious cargo that need to be back in A2 by Wednesday."
He'd fly private if for no other reason than he doesn't have to go through traditional airport ticketing and security. That saves you a good 45 minutes before leaving (private flights you just need to show up 5-15 minutes before take-off). On top of that private flights allow you to leave whenever, something I hope DB uses if he needs during this search.
You tell me what's preferable...
Not even getting into the private conversations that need to take place...
I'll take that bet.
Can I borrow a few bucks? I'll pay you back on Thursday, I can't lose, I swear it!
You're my boy (girl?) but I can't get to the bank - its snow Armageddon down here in NC and pretty much everything is closed. See my new Diary entry coming in a few . . .
Excellent... I'm your boy... and a great diary!
This is all about the future, and DB's legacy to M. He knows that football funds the athletic department, and that, at the moment, it and the BT Network are cash cows. This is about tv sets, the NY City market, recruiting, and repairing the defense. We are in the theater of national tv competing for dollars. Sorry, but I think Hoke is an admission of two things: 1) Carr's cronies in the athletic department spent 3 years undermining RR; 2) M is a program on the decline because no top ten coach will come here. The country is watching and anyone less than a coach with a winning track record and charisma is out of the question and will make us a laughing stock and the butt of jokes. Like it or not, Miles makes for good theater - clock management and his predisposition for grass eating. Gruden is a commentator for good reason - ratings. Patterson is what DB is looking for when it comes to defense - have you seen his defensive record the last 5 years? Mullen is charismatic and players will come. Finally, we shouldn't laugh at those Stoops rumors - there could very well be a dark horse. (Even Urban Meyer is not out of the question.)
DB did not lie about JH in his press conference. He already knew he was on his way to the pros. So, I think he had been negotiating with him sometime ahead of firing RR. No CEO in his right mind does not have a plan B. In short, let's trust him a little bit here, because I think we are in for a pleasant surprise and a bright future.
I can't see Stoops or Meyers. Gruden possibly, but I think it's a very long shot. I think the primary targets are Miles and Patterson with Hoke as a last resort.
The reason why Gruden immediately gets tossed around for this job when it was open the last two times, is he has mentioned it being one of his destination jobs, and wanted to make it happen by the age of 39.
Just some wishful thinking on everyone's part I suppose. At 47 this job would probably be his last job, and he seems to still have the NFL itch to take it at this point.
As much as I would like to have Gruden, I just don't see him coming back to college. If what people said about him making 4m at ESPN is true, why would he come here or any college for 5m. I can see him waiting for full control and a nice roster in the NFL.
I wish the lynch mob for David Brandon would cool their jets.
Why don't we wait until someone's hired before we call this guy names, call for his firing, etc.?
does the Lynch Mob's jets have wings. I don't think so. So suck it, Lynch Mob!
I don't always agree with you but I definitely do on this. Give DB time and space. I actually appreciate that he's taking his time to get this right. If we lose a recruit or two in the process, it's minimal compared to getting the wrong HC. Everybody chillax.
There are a lot of great stories and rumors but none of us really know who he's been talking to. Too quick to judge him at this point.
1) He assembles a national search committee/ hired a recruiting firm in the 1st week of January. He should have been doing this from at least the OSU loss (to understand his choices and the overall interest in the M job if JH fell through).
2) It looks like he put all of his eggs in the JH basket and JH dissed him and UM (it may not be true, and JH may not have been offered, but as of now, it looks like DB swung for the fences and missed).
3) DB hasn't hired a coach before, so why are we assuming he's awesome? It's not like he was an AD/ athletic administrator at another school and has hired coaches in the past.
4) If BH is hired, it will be viewed as UM struck out with JH, LM, (no chance candidates like Gruden)..., even if Hoke turns out to be an excellent coach.
Now, DB may very well do an excellent job (and I pray he does), but I'm just trying to explain why people are scared/ worried about his abilities to hire a new coach.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a bigger bunch of chicken littles. Harbaugh's star rose significantly since Thanksgiving and was not available by the time RR was fired. Harbaugh wanted to coach the BCS bowl and may not have taken the job in Nov. Since then, it's been "off with his head" from the lynch mob which is largely comprised of people who don't realize that it can take more than a day to hire an employee of consequence and the candidates may not want to meet with DB on the chicken littles' timetable. Just let the man make the best hire available to him.
This search is better than the previous one. At least from the buzz being generated. We do know our prime target (at least as far as most people were concerned) turned us down, but that wad to go to the nfl, not another college. We have not chased mid level coaches with no track record (i would say hoke has a better resume than schiano had) and everything is much tighter than last time. Rumors abound, but actual info is nonexistent.
This makes me feel DB is much better at this than his predecessor.
Hope we set the bar a little higher than the cluster#$%& that was the last search.......
He has no idea what he is doing. If it isnt Miles Please be one of the follwing in this order. Chip Kelly, Dan Mullen, Gus Malzahn, or Les Miles with one of these as the coordinator/HC in waiting.
Dude turned around an entire Pizza franchise. I think he's got this.
P.S. He's not getting Chip Kelly. He's one of the highest paid coaches at a NC competing school and he has a $4M buyout.
P.P.S. I'm a BIG fan of Mullen who's got a more modest contract and only has a $1.4M buyout.
Getting a deal in principal done before the NC tonight would help who ever is going to be in the HC chair. Media loves UM and there would be round table after round table discussing the hire on National TV /ESPN all day creating the much needed buzz (hopefully positive buzz) for the new coach. With LSU's best Defensive Player going NFL last night - my gut is saying Les is more for UM.
You're right, I was one of the people saying this isn't going according to plan. Truth is, we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. I was probably wrong, just upset about losing some of those commits.
At least there aren't a zillion leaks, and the media can't even do more than quote twitter feeds.
That's fairly impressive right there.
But it is fun to speculate.
Marl Stoops is DC at FSU. Two brothersof his are HCs. He played at Iowa. Not a bad background. I'd like Mullen. I just don't think he would leave for a rebuilding project. Gruden would be great. But I don't see him coaching. College. FWIW since DB is in Big D I hope he talks to Patterson. TCU is in Fort Worth.
This may be posted elsewhere. Apologize for the duplication if it is. I LOVE the last line.
"I am not going to form a committee, but I will get advice from people I know who are out there, close to the program and whose advice I value. This is not going to be a popularity contest. My job is to get the right coach.
I need to engage in a process that affords me the ability to get that coach. Clearly it is a disruption; the faster we can bring in a new leader, the better. But I am not going to be motivated by those circumstances and those pressures; I need to get the right individual into this position that will be successful.
Former players, alumni and fans can write and/or e-mail me their thoughts if they think it is therapeutic but again, this will not be a popularity contest."