somehow we're only 124th
We may get one or two guys in a recruiting class to commit late that we were not supposed to get (Henne, Breaston), but for the most part, we sign a bunch of guys early and miss out on the big names late.
We got LaMarr Woodley AND Jerome Jackson on the same night. It was amazing.
It was going to be special.
Sidenote, why are you crying about not closing a recruiting class in November?
We normally sign a lot of guys early and then late in the recruiting season, when the big names are ready to make a decision, there's no space for them even if there was space. I think Penn State does something similar, but a lot of southern schools seem to do the opposite. Maybe because of a larger talent pool?
But if you have to go back ten years, which I think was the year we snagged Henne and Breaston late, that makes me wonder why we seem to have our class mostly full already. That was a core for that great 2006 team. What happens if our class is full and we have no spots for Breaston or Henne?
Oh, and I consider November late because HS football seasons are ending so this is the period when a lot of kids start deciding and we're close to the end of another long recruiting period for a class.
If Hoke's excuse for us losing is player's not executing...
Who's to blame for this?
Our DLine coach
There's no one really to blame. Every school loses some recruiting battles, and losing to Alabama is certainly understandable.
I'm just disappointed that I allowed myself to start following his recruitment the last few days. I had been mostly ignoring recruiting news this year, and allowing myself to be pleasantly surprised when guys committed.
Execution doesn't matter that much.
Oh, that's easy.
Hand simply did not execute his decision properly.
Best of luck to Da'Shawn Hand at Alabama.
This stings for Michigan fans all the same, of course. Somehow it figures that it was at that moment of the announcement that I got a call saying that my wife's car need about $800 in repairs. That about summed up the moment for me personally.
great players want to play with other great players. Nobody is cheating at Alabama. Nobody is cheating at Kentucky. These kids want to win NC's, get to the league and become millionaires. Period. In that context, alabama is the obvious choice.
hahahahahaha are you serious?
Smoke follows Calipari wherever he goes. Of course KY is cheating, just like his prior teams did. They just haven't been caught yet. And Saban cheats too, by exploiting oversigning rules as has long been detailed.
Hahahaha, nobody is cheating at Kentucky?
At least we're a basketball school
Well good luck to you Mr. Hand! Wish you would have gone Blue! On to the next recruit I guess.
The life lesson from this is to not listen to anything recruits say, especially when it comes to academics. These are football players first and foremost and the great ones will always choose the university that they feel gives them the best chance to be successful in their pro football careers.
Greatest school. Bama is a solid academic school where he will succeed academically and on the field. The kid can still value academics and pick bama.
I am in the good luck kid, our putrid performance on the field caused this boat but I think the aghast academic thing is a bit patronizing here. Not like he is going to State.
Curse you, adidas!!!!
Always been my silent theory that we have been terrible since we made the switch. Of course it is likely just coincidence and one could easily point to empty cupboards, bad coaching and changing schemes. However, I think I will stick with the Adidas theory, or maybe the B1G network. It all went downhill from there.
don't suck on the field and go backwards
There's other (sob) recruits (sniff) to pursue (waaaaah).
in the RR years we improved every year.
Yes god damnit yes we fucking did.
Jesus fucking christ.
How is that so god damned hard to fucking understand?
Tell me how we did in the last 3 games of his tenure?
people reference this - as if somehow totally shitting the bed and putting the bar at an incredibly low level in the first year and then "improving" from there is better than winning a BCS game in year 1.
I doubt he ends up in Ann Arbor either.
Relax. MM is a Michigan fan and both his parents are Michigan fans. He just wants his moment on the Army all American game.
I genuinely believe the team's performance in past month or so had a significant role in his decision. Your "pitch" on academics, amenities, and tradition can only extend so far. At the end of the day...would you want to commit to a realing 6-3 team with serious systemic flaws?
Sure, teams have "off" years, but it's important to observe the collective player development (or lack thereof) on this team. As a comitt, I'd want to go where I confidently believe the coaches will make me a better player. I haven't seen that as a whole from our staff.
full of crap. Apparently you are unaware of what Bama has done on the field these past four years. That, more than anything, is why he is going to Bama.
Maybe one reason Alabama has done what it's done on the field is that they're doing a great job of developing players over their careers.
dont disagree, they have great coaching, sabans system is incredible and functions as nfl development factory. but just so happens theyre developing the most talented prospects in the nation every single year. not denying sabans ability to target good system fits, close on them and then brainwash them into playing disciplined yet athletic violent football.. but 9 times out of 10 the kids rolling though the bama developmental factory are freak athletes and members of #1 (or top 3) recrutiing class. gotta have the horses and they do..and after so many consecutively stacked classes theyre insane at every position and miss very infrequently (oh and when they do occasionally miss, they target JC kids like 3-4 of their most recent draft choices on DL - one major avenue saban and almost everyone else exploits and which UM never will). hand made the same decision i would make and most would probably make and i hope he excels. its just a shame UM misses big on the DL since beyer and strobel and heitzman and the rest are just guys, certainly do not have star potential as consistent as some may argue they are
Well add another one to the list of high ranked Michigan leans for a long time that we lose out to. Best of luck to you at Alabama Mr Hand!
Hard to blame him. We're not even close to sniffing a conference championship, much less a national championship. If I were him, I'd probably do the exact same thing. If I'm a top recruit, I expect to compete for national championships. He won't get that here, for the time being.
Besides, I'd rather lose him to Bama than MSU or OSU.
If you are on Twitter, don't send any tweets to Hand unless they are of the "best of luck to you in the future" variety. Don't send him hate filled garbage, that just hurts our appearance with other potential recruits.
Yes this sucks but life will go on.
No don't send him any. He doesn't need luck from people he doesn't know or care about. Leave recruits alone.
in this case, because we need to balance out the inevitable morons that send him hate filled messages with positive messages, in the .01% chance that Saban leaves Bama for Texas and Hand reopens his recruiting. We dont want him to hate Michigan because of a handfull of dumbasses on twitter.
Tough beat, but I cannot blame the kid for choosing the best program in the country. It's nice to see that we are in the final running with a kid like this. We'll get some once we start to get B10 Championships and compete for the NC.
Remember that guy who wrote a glowing report on UM who traveled with Hand to UTLII? His lack of presence in the last week on the board was a good hint about this outcome. The product o the field between these 2 programs are in different orlds - comparing what UM did to Nebraska last week versus Bama vs LSU - I mean these programs are eons apart at every level aside from overall recruiting and facilities. UM's still getting classes ranked top 5 to 15. Everywhere else Bama is superior right now - consider it lucky Peppers grew up a UM fan so we can still get that level of talent.
the last week or so. I think his name was Canzior, or something like that. I saw he posted in a thread the other day, about not being able to get ahold of his friend. Perhaps he knew what was coming...
I actually think this helps our chances with Malik McDowell.
We're just a name school with cool helmets and a big stadium. Since Brady/Henson left, outside of the 2006 team, we've been more a name that people recognize than anything elite. Our name can get kids on campus, which is more than Indiana, Purdue or Minnesota can say.
But our conference is mediocre and we don't appear close to dominating it. Kids see that. They don't care about message board arguments. They care about wins, championships and getting to the pros. If we beat PSU and Nebraska, we're 8-1 and still in the race for a BCS at-large bid and the B1G title game. That's at least something to hang your hat on.
Kids don't want Texas Bowl swag.
But I was kind of hoping for Hand because the difference between Michigan and the current Bamas of the world over the long term has been elite D-linemen...going back just about forever. They're building a good line, but that sure fire NFL prospect is one that doesn't come along that often. So this one hurts. Damn.
It's almost shameful how optimistic I felt this morning, and how down I am right now. Like so many others, I'm thinking he viewed UM's trajectory as down, not up, and unless/until Saban leaves Alabama, they will stay at the top. I really hoped he was like Jabrill Peppers and loved UM and wanted to help bring UM back. Sam Webb said his decision wouldn't be about the past two weeks, but I am convinced it was. If he thought UM had any shot at a national championship game in the next 2-4 years, I think he would have made a different decision. Now, not only am I sad that UM seems to be regressing, we are also losing out on players who could help right the ship. I wish him all the best, at Alabama and after, but this one is tough to take.
I made a block M-shaped cake, and said it would be a celebratory cake if he chose UM and a consolation cake if he didn't. I think I'm going to get more cake.
Think about it, if Hand has his eyes on an Engineering Degree the chances of getting said Engineering Degree and having a chance to play pro football are far more likely in an SEC school than a B1G school. That and the fact that this team and this conference in general (except Ohio apparently) are not all that great.
At least were good at basketball and hockey.....I swear I'm starting to feel like this is a D3 conference in terms of our football than that of a D1 conference.
to be successful even #1 ranked ones. Glad to have peppers, I have a feeling hand will have a solid junior year then be gone at bama like he was never there.
We'll always have Akron...
Like the majority of kids, he chose the path of least resistance to a degree. In this case, engineering.When kids say they chose a school for academics they're probably not lying. Said school will be easier and they know it.