The title says it all. This would kill the team if he were to leave early. Lets hope he stays and develops so he can be a lottery pick.
The title says it all. This would kill the team if he were to leave early. Lets hope he stays and develops so he can be a lottery pick.
He's not at all NBA ready. He needs to develop his shot and his left hand before he can be considered an NBA prospect, IME.
Pleeeeasseeee stop with the "no left hand" nonsense! You take what the defense gives you. If Darius can go right he'll go right. If he must go left he'll go left, and he'll do so without losing vision or turning the ball over.
Stu Douglass is an example of somebody with subpar ambidexterity. He dribbles competently with his right hand, but as soon as he's forced to go left he puts his head down, loses sight of the court and his teammates, gets trapped, and turns the ball over. Darius, not so much.
No one is talking about dribbling. They are talking about his left-hand shot, which he pulls out about once every three games. He will be in position for a left-handed shot, and he'll roll right around the defender and take the fade-away shot with his right hand instead of the layup with his left. That's not nonsense.
You're allowed to have a dominant hand and still be a successful basketball player. Darius's right hand is dominant and he prefers to finish with it, but he has the ability to finish left when necessary. And really we don't even need Darius to be able to finish left as well as he finishes right. As long as he can beat a defender going left he'll continue to draw fouls or draw help defense and create space for shooters.
for doing this to me today, sarahgoblue.
I'm sorry. I'm upset about it too. This is the first I've heard of him thinking about it much less leaning towards doing it.
Next time, do the board a favor and add "Rumor" to the title. You phrased it as though Darius himself said it.
Why would he do this? He's got crazy potential but is it even certain that he'd get drafted?
even if he stays a year. Doesn't really have that explosive athleticism that you see from PG. More of a steady PG with good vision and passing ability. Much like Andre Miller v. 2.0.
He's projected at early 2nd round so he could very well climb up to mid to late 1st round by next year.
I agree his lack of explosiveness separates him from 1st round PGs. Thank you so much for not saying he isn't good enough for a lottery pick because he doesn't have a left hand.
The link has this quote
An additional year could allow him to develop into a first rounder.
No matter what happens, I do not see him being a lottery pick. There is a big difference between a 1st round pick and a lottery pick.
and there is little difference between a non-lottery first round pick in the mids and one in the late 20s.
All 1st rd picks get guaranteed contracts - 2nds do not.
people will post anything to get a few hits.
No offense to Darius, but does he realize he doesn't have a left hand yet. I don't really believe this after seeing Manny go undrafted.
...and then become a starter for Cleveland.
Fixed it for you.
...the team that just broke its own record for longest losing streak.
I'm a Cavs fan, and I love Manny, but he became a starter after several injuries. He also began starting when Byron Scott wanted to send a message to underperforming starters.
However, after watching Manny, I do believe he has a role in this league as instant offense off the bench. He has the ability to get into the lane and could produce results with the 2nd unit, kind of like Jamal Crawford was.
Yes and now that the Cavs are healthy again Manny has been inactive for recent games.
This right here is why Darius should stay in school, beyond all the obvious reasons.
Do you actually watch the games or just listen to the announcers? Darius has a left. Stop being stupid.
Noooo. Although, I would like the Pistons to get him in Round 2 if he did..but nooooo. Darius, you are not ready.
I doubt he is "leaning" at all, but if the draft boards have him as a seond rounder then he wouldn't be crazy to go. I mean it isn't like he is going to be a lottery pick even if he stays four years so there isn't much of a difference between second round and mid-first round...
Really strange that they said he was "leaning." He has never said anything about the NBA draft as far as I have read.
difference between 2nd round draft pick and middle first round draft pick is a lot of guaranteed money vs. no guaranteed contract, I would say that still means a lot even if he can never become a lottery pick
What the heck is the source on Morris 'leaning' towards entering the 2011 draft? Says who?
I don't think there's any debate, he's certainly not NBA ready and he'd be doing a great disservice not only to himself, but to the improvement of our basketball team. We've seen enough of this the past few years in both football and basketball with Manny and Donovan Warren, I can't deal with this again...
This feels like an aribtration hearing, where we suddenly have to hammer out all of our own player's flaws to make it look like he's really not that good. I have to agree with most that D Mo is not NBA ready just yet. I think he probably knows this, and therefore whoever wrote this is full of shit
but I'd still request that TomVH hold me. Hold us all.
Did not see that one coming.
I would be very surprised and think Darius would be making a poor choice if he were to leave. Maybe after next year, but in my mind I had him pegged as at leats a 3 but probably 4 year player. He just does not strike me as an NBA point guard. Hopefully he does not listen to whoever advised Donovan Warren and Manny.
Well if he does go, lets hope Trey Burke is Big 10 ready.
Edit: Did anyone else realize Lucas and Summers are not even in the top 100. I am not shocked, but thought I would see their names somewhere on the list.
This one article has been making the rounds (it's from Saturday morning). Who is Aran Smith, and why would he know anything about Morris's leanings when none of the local media has reported anything?
he's NBADraft.net's main prospect analyst, he does a pretty decent job generally of projecting the draft and analyzing underclass talent, but I don't think he has any qualifications or inside information about who is thinking about declaring early for the draft..
I would avoid panicking until there is further confirmation.
He's an asshole, sir.
I know that; what's his name?
That is his name, sir, Asshole, Major Asshole!
This is where the internet is dangerous.
If you click on the link, this site is from some random NBA Draft site of which there are many. This guy might be credible and he might be in his moms basement. I have no idea. It doesn't appear he has any actual information.
He quotes noboody and we have not heard 1 thing about it in any local newspapers or blogs.
It makes little sense considering where Darius's game is at and the fact there is a good chance the NBA won't be playing much next season due to the lockout.
Despite all the logic this thread will have 100+ replies speculating about Morris's game.
Congrats internet you win today. Despite nothing happening you made it happen.
He posted the stupid article at 4:27 a.m.
why the hell would darius morris enter the draft and jump straight into a labor strife between the nba and the nba players union. there's a very real possibility that there won't even be an nba season in 2011-2012.
morris is smarter than that. sorry, but its just doesn't make sense for him to leave. sophomores don't leave school early to be second rounds picks in the middle of a potential lockout.
somehow you know he is smarter than that? Maybe he isn't
he goes to michigan. not ohio state.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks he can't become a lottery pick. Evan Turner had a Hell of a senior year and became one. I think he was top 3. Anyway, I think this speaks more about JB's relationship with him. It's common knowledge that the two of them don't get along much like how he was with Manny. It would speak very loudly about how JB and his star players get along.
JB helped make Morris who he is.
Many coaches and their star players don't always see eye to eye. But they still respect each other.
Do you have anything to base that on other than the little rift they had in December that caused Morris to not start one game?
So...you're starting a baseless rumor in a thread based on another baseless rumor. Congratulations. Oh, you talk frequently with Darius and Beilein and have amazing insight into their relationship? Fantastic!!
Last word that I heard on that was it has all been figured out. IIRC, I heard that on WTKA on an interview with Sam Webb and one of the asst. coaches.
The author of the source article hasn't spoken to Darius, FWIW. Take it with an epic grain of salt.
How the hell can you say he's leaning to the NBA when you haven't even talked to the kid? What has journalism come to?
is calling this journalism. This is no different than two guys standing around the water-cooler saying "I heard D-Mo was going pro", except there are now several billion people who can hear the conversation.
You wouldn't consider it journalism when it's two guys at the water cooler, so no reason to consider it journalism now (and therefore the fault lies with the OP considering it credible enough to post and fret over, rather than the author throwing conjecture around as substantiated fact)
Who would neg you for saying this?
I think there are a group of people that just like negging people for the hell of it right now, especially since it doesn't matter.
Who would someone neg somebody for asking why they negged someone? Think of the children.
There you have it. Delete the thread, or at least include this in the OP.
I love Darius as a player but he isn't ready. I don't think he is even that close. It isn't a knock but he needs time to mature, get stronger, develop his left hand a bit more and get a servicable jump shot.
"mature, get stronger, develop his left hand a bit more and get a servicable jump shot."
thanks for the keen basketball insight you regurgitating idiot. watch basketball and stop listening to other people's generic commentary.
Turns out saying things like "doesn't have a good jump shot" and "relatively weak left hand" actually constitutes basketball analysis because basketball isn't fucking rocket science.
And that's why it's so baffling that so many people can misdiagnose a perceived weakness. Basketball is not rocket science. Darius could not put up his numbers without a strong left hand.
Don't forget the NBA's favorite word potential. Look how much Darius improved between his first and second year. The NBA wonders how much more he'll improve over the next year. He can be drafted on that alone, rember Darko Millicic, that's all he was, hype and potential. That being said Morris certainly needs to stay at least one more year...but if he hears enough chatter about his potential, he may take the bait. Let's hope he's smarter than that.
Come on. No attritubution at all in that piece. I put more stock in that ranking, not the editorializing that he's leaning to turning pro. I doubt that.
Besides, John Beilein does not put players into the NBA. So, that cant be right
#60 ranking, no-name site, weasel words all over Darius Morris's blurb. I call BS.
if he wants to leave then let him. There is nothing we can do to change his mind! We are bringing in two recuirts that can lead this BB Team to great things. GO BLUE!!!
Let's get a "Unbased Rumor:" tag added to the title of this thread.
Just because there's a link, doesn't mean the information is worth posting. Not saying the info is necessarily wrong, but I have zero reason to believe the author considering I have no idea who he is, what is connections are, etc.
I agree with your first point but your last sentence is just wrong. Because you haven't heard of someone or their sources you give it no credence? That is dumb.
Please don't put words in my mouth or assume what I'm saying. No one here seems to have any idea who Aran Smith is and the site is clearly just a mock draft site. There is no evidence that Smith has spoken to Darius Morris and this claim has been echoed by no one. And I mean NO ONE. So, I think I'm safe in assuming that I can lend no credence to this guy mmmkay?
What you said was just that. Maybe you should be more careful when writing your posts in the future.
Pardon me for not wanting to write an essay outlining my exact beliefs on each thread when I can just condense it in to a couple sentences that someone interprets differently from what I meant.
I love how all the posts voicing reason and logic and "umm, maybe we should calm down a second" are getting negged.
One guy says he thinks that Darius is leaning towards leaving...one guy, with a completely unattributed statement. Just because I think that Elliot from Scrubs is leaning toward having relations with me tonite doesn't mean I have a goddamn clue what I am talking about.
I've seen better.
I hope he saw what happenned to Manny and Peedi last year and stick around. The road gets really, really tough if you don't get drafted.
Link so I can confirm your wild accusations.
DON'T YOU GO TALKING BAD ABOUT GERALD!
But yeah, as your resident Gerald Green fan (see avatar), he was indeed compared to TMac by that site, and just about every site out there. He was the #1 high school prospect in the country for a reason.
Those comparisions really ruined his game though because he never had the ball handling skills to be a slasher, and instead should have focused on being a shooter. Coaches like Doc Rivers kept giving him the ball though and telling him to go create for himself, and he just never was very good at that.[/rant]
He now out of the league... D-League I think.
He's been in Russia this year and last year (came back briefly to try out for the Lakers, but didn't perform well in summer league). Was fantastic last year in Russia, has been dreadful so far this year.
The kid is a talented shooter, but ego problems got him early, and an inability to distingish a good shot from a bad shot has remained a problem for way too long. A lot of his problems could be solved if someone who really understood his strengths and weaknesses simply sat down and talked to him. I feel bad because by all accounts he's a good kid, but at the same time he's still making millions over in Europe, not too bad for a 20-something year old.
Let's hope that this is a bogus "source"
I used to think Darius was pretty good until reading this thread.
Before Mr. Morris decides to try the NBA Draft he might wish to consult with Tito and Al Horford, Tim Hardaway and Joe Dumars. He has access to some people that could give him a realistic view of his chances at this point in time. Especially Tim Hardaway and Joe Dumars seeing how they played his position in the league. smh.
Dumars was a shooting guard...
Someone should point out to him what happened to the last Wolverine that entered the draft earlier than they should've
entering the draft. No additional discussion is necessary.
morris has been great, but really he has played about 20 games at a high level in his career and this year is still the 4th or 5th best PG in the league behind Lucas, battle, moore and taylor.
this was discussed on umhoops, and I'm pretty sure it was almost completely discredited...lotta people there are either in close contact with the team, coaches, or people in the know about college hoops, and not many of them seemed to consider it legit...at least it was established that Darius has said nothing to this extent publicly or to anyone not close to him
It was in the comments of a post, and kinda towards the end I believe..Pretty busy at work today and gonna be a late one, so I might be a little while, but maybe someone else saw it?
Denard is transferring!?
Tim Hardaway Jr. is the better prospect right now. You want to worry about someone, worry about him.
I bet beilein always thought that Morris would go after his junior year which is why he has recruited some point guards hard (and has gotten committed). But going after his sophomore year could really screw some things up....
I see you decided to keep the title...
You could have saved yourself some points and followed peep's advice, yo.
Saved points? Why do people keep referencing this? Negs don't count. Stupid.
How STUPID of me. I STUPID, STUPID.
Unwarranted & Unfounded Speculation
DM is not even close to jump to the Nba. Keep working on your outside shot, quit hogging the darn BB and maybe after next year , you can bolt. If not be ready to go to the NBDL.
Amazing you and MFaninOH posted the exact same thing one post apart. Strange huh?
He has no left hand right now? Hmm, i'll have to keep an eye on that... But I'll certainly take your word for it, BTN announcer/NBA scout.
I've watched every UM televised hoops game this year. Darius has demonstrated an amazing ability to get to the rack. He is a great player that has undoubtedly elevated our team to a record that most of us thought unattainable when the year began. But there have been countless times that he gets to the rack - often initially going left - but then tries to finish with this right hand when his left hand would be a much better option (e.g., to better shield his body from the defender, to get a better angle to the hoop, to draw a foul w/o getting a shot blocked, etc.). There was a recent game when he *finished* with his left hand, and I literally flew out of my seat with joy. If he learns to finish with his left hand under certain circumstances, he will be unstoppable in the lane. He's already a tremendous player and arguably our best post player (seriously, his moves in the post are better than any of our bigs!), but I firmly believe he can improve in certain areas.
You also undressed a previous poster who claimed that Morris currently does not possess a consistent jump shot. I just don't think he's a consistent threat outside of 15 feet. When you're a sub-30% 3-point shooter, you are not a threat. If he demonstrates an ability to consistently hit the 15-20 foot shot, he will reach hallowed grounds as a PG that few have attained in modern UM hoops lore. He's a great - but still developing - player. And that's what makes his future so bright. If he can augment his current skill set with some additional offensive weapons, we're looking an All-American caliber player.
I think it's ridiculous to say he has no left. He could not have so many assists and so few turnovers without 2 reliable hands. Otherwise opponents could just force him to go left and let the mistakes flow from there. Obviously that doesn't happen. It makes me chuckle when announcers say things like "ohhh, teams are going to catch on that he has no left hand and that'll show up in scouting reports" as if they picked up on some weakness before the other B10 coaches did. You can't force Darius to go left because his first left step is quick enough to beat his defender to the lane, and bad things happen from there for the defense.
And that's really my point in the context of Darius's NBA stock: scouts won't care so much how well he finishes with his left. As long as it's solid enough that he can't be forced to lose vision, lose control, make mistakes, i.e., as long as he has a high assist to TO ratio (he does) he'll be a serviceable NBA guard. Nobody drafts a player like Darius to score 20 ppg. They draft him because he creates a mismatch against smaller guards and can potentially avg 8 apg; his left hand doesn't prevent either from happening, so it isn't the reason Darius needs to come back next season.
I never defended his jumper because I don't think it's that good. That needs more improvement than his LEFFFTTT HANDDjfdsaf
....he just doesn't exploit it around the hoop to finish as much as many of us would like to see him do. He uses his left hand when driving to the hoop and dishing, but tends to shy away from it when shooting near the basket. And there are many situations near the hoop where using your left hand is a much better option. That's all I'm sayin'. I have the same issue with Jordan Morgan. If he could develop a little left-hand mini-hook to complement his game, his offensive prowess would skyrocket. Both are young players, and both can develop these skills over the next year or two.
So maybe I agree with you more than I initially thought. Morris definitely dribbles with his left and goes left to drive and break down the defense. You're right...the dude couldn't average 7 assists per game w/o using his left hand. I think our only disagreement is how much he uses his left to shoot w/in a few feet of the rim.
The bottom line...we all agree that Morris is a great player. Statistically, his season already ranks up there with the elite Wolverine PG's of the past few decades.
Regarding DMo's jumper, you are absolutely correct...you didn't specifically undress someone about that aspect of this game. My bad. I got too passionate w/o double-checking things. But you did post a fairly harsh blanket statement responding to a comment that highlighted his jump shot:
"thanks for the keen basketball insight you regurgitating idiot. watch basketball and stop listening to other people's generic commentary." (In response to <"mature, get stronger, develop his left hand a bit more and get a servicable jump shot.">)
I think Darius Morris may go the route of Mateen Cleaves, good college player, but not athletic or skilled enough to excel at the next level. Hope Darius proves me wrong.
....He said on the BTN, "Everyone is coming back next year".
So there's that.
I really think pro sport exec's look at kids (like Warren and Manny) who enter the draft early even though they're not locks to be drafted as being immature. Most of them probably think, "Sure. Maybe you're ready for the big time. But I'll pass."
If he's a 1st round lock, that's one thing. He's not.
There will be plenty of teams who will give a 6'4" pure point guard a look. Even if he's not viewed as a starter long term, he's the type of guy who can be paired with an undersized SG to form a competent backcourt both offensively and defensively.
If his jumpshot keeps improving he's got a shot at being a legitimate impact player. He's got terrific point guard instincts, is effective scoring inside the 3 point line, and has the size to be a versatile defender. Sure his left hand needs some work, but his handle in general is pretty damned good, and left hand or not he's an effective finisher around the bucket.
Being a 2nd round pick who has to fight to make a team vs sticking around in a league where 8 of 12 teams will lose their top scorer?
He's going to get a lot of national exposure next year if he sticks around, and can easily play his way into a guaranteed contract.
I think his height for a PG and court vision would impress enough needy teams this year that he would, in fact, make an NBA squad, but he can certainly improve his stock by staying at least one more year. Hopefully his relationship with his roommate (Morgan) helps him stay, since Morgan's game will suffer without Morris (hard to find a PG that good at running the pick-and-roll).