F - Dantonio...
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
F - Dantonio...
I love having him as a rival coach. It makes it easier to hate him and his program.
So much more easier to dislike that program. It would be harder to move beyond the "dislike of a rival" if Dantonio was a really nice guy who demonstrated a modicum of respect.
I really agree - Dantonio makes me hate MSU so much more than I used to when it was mostly pity.
Then again, I almost hate Dantonio so much for being a douche that I feel like I hate him as a Dantonio the douche more than Dantonio the MSU coach.
It's very easy to imagine what it's like to be a Sparty fan right now. "Consider the source. Deny deny deny. Walmarterines made it up. St. Dantonio. Skunkbear scUM blah blah blah." I think that about sums it up.
Right on, brah! Let's drink some Natty Light later!
Fuck that, let's drink some Natty Light right fucking now.
Goddamn we're a creative bunch.
It probably does sum it up...but underneath that is the realization that their recruiting class is 46th and they have 2 four star players (left).
Even the Sparty have awareness of that...and I am sure it pisses them off.
Have you ever toured a State blog?
Sadly, I would imagine that most Sparty fans agree with Dantonio and think he was justified in displaying what an utter bag of vinegar and water he is. Hopefully, this gets around to all of the coaches in the state, and they start sending their players anywhere but EL.
Edit: RCMB calls it the "Official Dantonio putting Hecklinski in his place thread." For any of you who don't fully understand my utter distaste and lack of respect for Sparty, maybe this will give you some insight into my reasoning.
Mark D. and his 46th ranked recruiting class...
don't tell me about in-state recruiting...
It has been confirmed by a poster on Scout who knows a HS Coach that was in attendance.
The scout and Rivals mods have also picked up on the story and are working to confirm. I'll edit this post to reflect the confirmation status as long as I can.
EDIT 1: IowaBlue notes that SpreadGuru (the OP) would currently be in a coaching session if he is present at the MHFCSA clinic. This could be why the OP hasn't updated his sources and/or responded to the thread yet. I don't know the schedule of the clinic though....
mlive has a story up about the incident as well:
“I really didn’t know how this would work in this forum; it was the first time we’ve ever done this and I just didn’t know how this would work,” Dantonio said. “I didn’t want it to be a recruiting (speech for only Michigan).”
It will be interesting to see how well Sparty fares in MI HS recruiting going forward.
All the douchier since he had already gotten his fifteen minutes on stage. Kind of analogous to two presidential candidates being asked to talk about the economy, one talking about rainbows and kittens for fifteen minutes and then bitching when the next guy gets to talk about "just his" economic plan.
Dantonio, who was mic’ed up, cut Hecklinski off mid-presentation and summoned the rest of the panel members to the stage to, as he said, talk about more than just recruiting at Michigan.
A red-faced Hecklinski took a seat on the stage, joined by the rest of the panel, which included coaches from Wayne State, Siena Heights and Alma.
Coach Hoke is set to make an appearance, Hope he makes Dantonio look as stupid as he made the DFP reporter during his introduction as head coach....
No way that's gonna happen. Hoke is too classy to go there.
How does Dantonio not know the format of the event? Doesn't he have assistants who brief him on the event and are responsible for knowing all the details so he can be properly prepared?
"Not knowing the format" is never an excuse, in any professional setting, for rudely interrupting another speaker. That's the stupidest rationale I've ever heard. What "format" would make is acceptable to prickishly cut someone off in mid presentation?
He didn't know that guest speakers at a seminar about recruiting would talk about...recruiting? So not only is he a inconsiderate dick, he's a stupid, inconsiderate dick.
No wonder MSU faithful love this guy, he fits right in.
of excuse making.
I didn't neg you. I understand your point and all, but lighten up, Francis!
As a bonus, it would HAVE taken you two seconds to look up the proper use of "would have".
While we are temporarily on THAT subject again isnt this thread why pos-bangs need to come back? I know we've discussed ad nauesuem about the lost virtue of the neg vote and where and when it would be correctly applied but God in heaven if an OP ever deserved pos votes like manna from heaven this post is it.
Look in the top right, original posts have the old style system. Comments dont. As of now he's +48 - 0
I know. But they don't count.
So his score doesnt change other than the lousy two points he got for posting it in the first place.
Vengeful Pride Before the Fall (of 2012)
Everyone shows their true colors eventually, especially people that have to put on a "happy face" in roles like recruiting, sales, etc. Looks like this is one of those moments for Dantonio and I couldn't be happier.
Are those like the Only Colors? You know, Green and white?
And Black and Bronze and.....
Ba dum dum clang!
If any of the pictures of Dantonio I've seen are his "happy face", I'd hate to see his sour face.
Lord in heaven above, please let me never see his constipated face.
How do you know this, were you there?
On another note, this doesn't surprise me, Dantonio is a true buckeye, I mean spartan...ahhh I don't know what he is but hes a douche I know that...
Could have phrased that more politely. For example:
"Pardon me Jeff, could you hurry this up please? My top prospect has a parole hearing in 30 minutes."
See, that's how a proper gentleman from East Lansing would phrase it.
Except there are no proper gentlemen in East Lansing, its basically the red light district of the college world which is saying alot, considering its college...
you guys are not really helping illustrate the distinction between classless behavior by the likes of dantonio and respectful, adult behavior...
This is a message board on a sports blog. Not a discussion panel of nationally known and very public professionals speaking at a statewide high school coaches clinic.
Dantonio's a total douche nozzle and keeps proving it again and again and again.
This is the message board on MGoBlog. We do hold posters to a higher standard.
"Pardon me Jeff, could you hurry this up please? The only 4-star recruits in my #50 ranked recruiting class are taking calls from Urban right now"
"Excuse me Jeff, but with all due respect, your attempts to recruit Michigan first DID NOT pan out from 2008-2010, so, maybe you should defer to someone who actually owns in-state-recruiting...."
Mark "Kanye" Dantonio -
"Jeff Hecklinski, I'm really happy for you, I'm gonna let you finish, but Michigan State had one of the best recruiting classes of all time."
Nah it's worse. When Kanye said it he had a point.
Don'tonio is an even bigger douche than I imagined.
Is there a link? Where did you hear this or were you present? Not doubting, just want to see the story, if possible.
Since they recruit galactically, they don't need recruits from in-state....
What the hell is up with your Username?
Made WELL prior to the whole Jerry Sandusky news breaking, it was intended to satirze Hoke's recruitment success in ohio with that of Pedobear. Hence my somewhat creepy tagline. If I could've ever gotten my avatar to upload, it would've show pedobear with a winged helmet on.
At the time, this was hilarious to me.
I no longer find it funny...my sense of humor has evolved, and Jerry Sandusky ruined everything for everyone. Blurbtown.
You only have 28 points, you could start all over. I also think you can change your name.
You only have 28 pts, which will likely go down, it's not too late to start fresh.
Edit: Hoek beat me to it. Great minds...errr something like that.
I'd email the mods for a name change if I was you. You'd also be wise to never again admit you were going to put our colors on pedobear. That's a trip to Bolivia and then some right here.
Edit: Third place!
You might consider changing it. You can do that under the "My Account" section.
Eff it!!!! If im gonna change my account/name anyways, i might as well have this one go down in a blaze of glory.
NEGBOMB ME BITCHES!!!
BOLIVIA HERE I COME!
You don't ask to go to Bolivia. Bolivia will find you.
a) Choose a new username. You can edit in the "My account" tab.
b) Create a new account.I'll give you 30 free points.
okay, how do i message you my new username? i don't really want to be associated with my old account...too many demons and all
I can e-mail you, or you can post something in the mod sticky thread (http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/moderator-action-sticky-1) with your new name and I'll delete your comment. Or you can just post here; I don't think anyone will hold a grudge. They just want a name change in light of, you know, the continued existence of Penn State.
Good god... I didn't think even Dantonio would sink so low. I really hope this shows up in the DetNews or something so I can rub it in all the Sparty's faces who insist Dantonio is a classy guy.
Is there possibly any video of this incidence??
You underestimate the Sparties. There are many who believe Dantanio was right to do that.
To shout anything out during someone's presentation is quite rude, especially something negative. Sounds like it would be something Homer would say to be obnoxious on the Simpsons. Maybe he was waiting for a presentation on tooth maintainance so his gums no longer look like they're filled with put out cigarettes.
Maybe he wanted him to review The Detroit News Dream Team that is heading to Ann Arbor this summer.
Same guy who engaged in a public verbal slapfight with a player from a rival team. A college kid. Dantonio is a child. And good on Mike Hart, and apparently, Hecklinski, for goading it out of him.
I don't think it took any goading. It sounds like Hecklinski was actually prepared to speak on an appropriate topic and Dantonio realized he sounded like an ass for just blabbing about his team's greatness. Commence childish outburst.
I wasn't there, but maybe Coach H, in explaining how M does things, said something that Dantonio construed as a shot at MSU and their recruiting practices. Paranoia is paranoia and Dantonio seems to have at least a touch of it.
That is possible but I still wouldn't call that goading but being honest. I wonder if Dantonio would have had the same outburst if Hoke was speaking. Maybe this was a combination of paranoia and an inferiority complex. Either way, if the truth hurts, say ouch. I wonder if Dantonio has a dog. If so, it must have sore ribs and a size 8 shoe print on its side.
Can we stop with the inferiority complex thing? It sounds kind of ridiculous when we've lost the last 4 games.
The inferiority complex relates to a lot more than just football.
And even if we've lost 4 years, it doesn't really matter.. 67-32 speaks for itself.
and a lot more than just the last 4 games.
He has an inferiority complex because he's beaten us 4 in a row and he's still crying like a baby. A confident person would just say "scoreboard" and move on.
If the talk was on recruiting, there's not much of a "scoreboard" claim that Dantonio could make.
You don't honestly believe that four straight wins and an inferiority complex are mutually exclusive, do you?
No, I don't, but that doesn't make it sound any less ridiculous.
Yes it does.
You don't think watching a team you've beaten four times in a row get a BCS bowl bid before you, steal all your recruits, and get all the national attention you think you deserve would give you an inferiority complex?
Did you happen to see the reactions from Coupons and Bell after their last two games?
Lose B1G Champ game -> whine about Michigan
Win bowl game -> whine about Michigan
And like others said, it's way bigger than footbaw.
They were even throwing shots at Denard for being in the crowd at the basketball game on Tuesday.
Just remember that at the end of the day we go to sleep as Michigan and they don't.
Even after 4 straight wins, the inferiority complex throbs just as much as it ever did.
Hell, even if they actually established a state of long-term dominance in football - which they are far from doing - they'd still have it.
No. They have an inferiority complex, and always will. It's not ridiculous in the least to say so.
Becaue they are inferior.
They may be pitiful, but at least they are observant.
The right reaction is to take the high road and it sounds like that is exactly what Jeff did. The less we say about the matter the more of an ass Dantonio becomes and the more it helps us. We only need to let Dantonio be himself and eventually the truch will come out about how big a douche he really is.
not to doubt the OP, but I'd reserve some judgement until we hear the actual interview or get independent confirmation of the context of the exchange. Not that Dantonio isn't a total DB, just sayin......
what a D-Bag. from the info you provided it sounds like dantonio's speech was OT and completely missed the mark, while hecklinski was actually talking about what he was supposed to
Dantonio was going to be late for his flight to Toledo.
lol this almost sounds too good to be true. How stupid can Dantonio get? I could see this coming from some high school kids bursting out and saying that, but a college football coach?
way to sounds like a child.. what a bitch
What a weirdo.
Strange duck, strange duck.
Where did you get this info?
I actually like Dantonio. He's like a well-crafted Bond villain.
How sweet would it be if there was a Goldeneye type game where I'm Brady Hoke in black pants and a Michigan polo shirt, and the other characters are Dantonio, Tressel, Bielema, Meyer, Rosenberg, Sharp, Snyder
There are certain games that are moddable enough to make this completely possible.... and it would be tremendous
There is a goldeneye mod, based off the half life engine done by valve that is awesome..
could easily put the faces off hoke and dantonio on characters if you had the modding ability
But Hoke needs to be in shorts not pants!
You'd have to put the Dantonio Face on Oddjob. This would be epic. If someone could even create a short video of this they would get posbanged to high heaven.
lol the resemblance is striking. But I was thinking more in terms of the similarity in height.
Who the hell fights that Jaws encounter out in the middle of the room? Put a round into the room from the narrow corridor to wake him, back out, then get on your knees and go back in to meet him in the tiny passageway, blasting your laser into his Corey Liuget until you hear the telltale sound of you picking up a second laser.
Sheesh. I thought everyone knew that!
NO, Brady Hike would wear a tuxedo T-shirt cause he's the only one that could make that shirt look good!
He's one lab accident away from being a supervillain.
He was supposed to talk about how coaches recruit, and all he talked about was Kirk Cousins? That's what they didn't have time for.
My father is a former president of the MHSFCA and has some stories that sound like this. It's also not a coincidence that the all star game, which has been held at MSU for ages (with the exception of a few years at U of M and I believe 1 year at Ford Field), was recently moved to CMU. Dantonio's actions and attitudes are most definitely divisive within the high school coaching community.
He's an ass. But how many of the state's top recruits did he get, again? It's not like he had much to lose, to be honest.
But that's just it. If he wants to recruit as well as he did a couple of years ago, he'll have to butter the HS coaches up better. This is a bad first step.
Presuming this happened, it adds to my suspicion that Dantonio may be suffering from Urban Meyer-itis. An ailment manifest by wondering around the house at 3am muttering and forgetting the names of your children. Seriously though, for most of the season, but especially at the B1G title game and the Outback Bowl, Dantonio looked gray and exhausted. Wound real tight. He's already had one heart attack. And now he is competing with Brady Hoke, Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly on the recruiting trail. A bit different than RichRod, Charlie Weis and personal friend Jim Tressel.
To paraphrase Nick Saban as he hopped on a private jet to Baton Rouge, State will always play second fiddle in Michigan. Sorry Mark.
Happens to all coaches. Ages you fast. People were saying the same about tressel the past few years as well. Same will happen to Hoke.
Take a look at any President when elected, and when leaving office.
So for every year you spend as president or coach it ages you two years. Look at pics of presidents when they start and how long it takes them to go grey.
...I think it may effect Hoke less. It seems to me that Hoke has the saving grace of not taking himself too seriously. Seems like he can kick back, relax and put his feet up every now and then.
It makes me think of the saying "true suffering is the resistance to discomfort." I just kinda get the vibe that Hoke goes with the flow. Not in an apathetic way. Just strikes me as a hard working guy that enjoys hard work. He'll certainly age faster as a coach than otherwise and he will eventually get tired. But, I don't think we'll have to expect any flaccidity in his pointing for quite some time.
Once more, right?
Was that a direct quote from Dantonio? Who is your source? Were there legitimate time constraints? I am no fan of Dantonio, but something doesn't add up.
Regardless of how this is spun, and what was really said or not said, there is one part of the account that sounds beyond question: Hecklinski did not engage in a verbal tit for tat, and reflected well on both himself and Michigan.
I can believe that Dantonio and MSU will give a different take on what Dantonio himself said. In the end, however, no matter the supposed justification, it simply doesn't reflect well on him or MSU, and conversely, is good for Michigan. I believe that many small things like this contribute to a strong relationship between a college and high schools, and will actually pay divididends as HS coaches counsel their own players on where to go and what to consider in a college.
If they spin this different it doesn't matter if the HS coaches saw it. If they lose respect or conficence in him he won't get there kids.
Mike Davis pissed off all the IN HS coaches years back and look at what it did to IU basketball. Have to be able to recruit in state, and need the coaches to do this.
I think your right in the long run but those HS coaches who like state are gonna support Dantonio in what he did and those who think he's an ass are gonna think it was totally inappropriate.
I am stunned by this, I know the guy is 100% asshole, but it's like he's 4 fucking years old.
Hecklinski should have just shown a graph, one Milkshake on AA, and one milkshake on EL, with a maize and blue pipeline drinking Dantonio's milkshake (I wish I had MS paint skills).
In other news, water is wet and MSU is full of criminals.
Wow. Sorry for doubting you, OP. I guess I didn't believe a Big Ten head coach would behave like a five year old child.
Jesus Christ, Dantonio.
But it's clear from the MHSFCA site that the two (Dantonio, Hecklinski) were on the same panel this morning:
Maybe some enterprising soul can reach out to a camp participant? I'd imagine it was a pretty popular and well-attended session for HS coaches.
Regardless of whether this particularly incident is true or not, it's become pretty clear from all other actions to date (feuding with Hart, swipes at Michigan during unrelated press conferences, the incident in the Bacon book) Dantonio is one disturbed cat.
p.s. Good to see that they started out the morning with an "everyone attends" session on concussions.
Maybe Dantonio was cheesed that he was sharing the stage with a lowly assistant coach instead of Hoke?
I imagine someone who's -really- paranoid could have seen this as "MSU head coach is only worth as much as a Michigan assistant."
I think Hoke was supposed to be there, but was out of town because he was a finalist for a coaching award. So Coach H took his place. That couldn't have sat will with Dantonio.
He benefited from the poor transition of Carr to RichRod, get's an upper hand with in-state recruiting and brings Michigan State football to a higher level. Now Hoke steps in and his staff is dominating recruiting and he sees his window of success quickly closing and Michigan assuming it's regular place of dominance. This is keeping him up at night, no sleep, a ton of stress as he sees his progress slipping away and Michigan's Sugar Bowl win is rubbing him like 120 grit toilet paper . No wonder he's lashing out.
isn't he wrong? if it was a discussion about how schools recruit and Heck was talking about how UM recruits, wasn't everyone there precisely to "listen to this?"
from your report, it does not say that it was a season wrap-up and senior review, so really, they weren't there to listen to what Mark D had to say
I'll reserve final judgement until we get some kind of other confirmation other than" internet messege board." If it is true, I can't say I would be surprised.
I got curious and looked this bad boy up. Interesting schedule lineup at the clinic. Yesterday, Borges spoke about "Blending a Conventional and Spread Offense." Ron English is speaking right now about "Building a Program One Step at a Time." Barwis is there too and will talk about fuzzy bunnies and chipmunks. (Or strength training. Something like that.)
I'd be very interested in finding out how Step 1 became "Get rid of the bubble screeen at all costs". But I think we're going to see it next year.
It's the same step as "running the pistol" or "running Mike Leach's offense" or "running the wishbone." They're all filed under the chapter entitled "Things Internet nerds demand coaches run without regard to practice time or personnel considerations."
Except that the bubble screen is a single play, and those are entire systems.
And the fact that the bubble screen fits our personnel better than, really, anything else.
Look - everybody just needs to get off Al'sback on the bubble screen. It's a little known fact that when Al was a small boy his family was held captive by a gang of bubble screens and the trauma of that horrible event scarred poor Al for life. He has been able to put most of the incident behind him but he still cant quite shake the image of the bubble screens breaking into his home in the middle of the night.
I want to believe this but I cant believe Sparty's leader would be so foolish, conversely he doesn't seem like the type to joke around in this scenario either, if this really happened it will come out as we all know coaches who would've been there and will love to give their account of the incident.
So let me get this straight: Dantonio interrupted Hecklinski for talking about how Michigan recruits, at a session about how colleges recruit, and said that no one was there to listen to that? Yeah, nice face of the university you got there, State.
is how Dantonio got up there and talked about his season and his players - sorry Coach D but that wasn't the subject....
is the exact reason why people on here are questioning this. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense...
However, I doubt this will ever be substantiated any further than "eye-witness reports" and general hearsay, so the legend grows...
Fine by me really, I hate Dantonio and his permanent "piss-face" and was thinking about making shirts with his face on them that just say "Pisstonio". But anyway, I was waiting for more juicy recruit information and this was a nice substitute on a Friday morning.
We won't use it, but I'm sure Urban will negative recruit State if this legend does indeed grow and spread.
Actually there are a few regular posters and sources there. The event is a big multi-day affair, and yes there are plenty of media covering it. If indeed it went down like this, it will be out soon enough.
Brian was thinking of going to, or is this one just for coaches and he was thinking of going to a different one with Mattison later in the year?
If he was going he didn't say anything to me.
Might have been the clinic last April. Just wondering if we had anyone inside who could ask around.
this reminds me of the time i came downstairs to find my dad sleeping on the couch, right before Uncle Derek came to stay over
While I very much want this to be true and wouldn't be too surprised if it was, I'd like to get independent conformation of this too.
Let's just beat this fucker so we can stop talking about him and his shitty program.
this is easily the best and most succinct response I've read in months. Strong work.
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