My favorite part: "We're just trying to educate and be proactive, and I think it draws our team together." Seems to be working well...
Dantonio handing out 2nd chances like candy again (4 reinstated)
It's funny that all the starters are being reinstated, while the 2nd and 3rd string guys are "leaving the team". I'm interested to see what type of suspension Dell and Cunningham receive for lying to Dantonio about involvement.
It's not lying if you don't care about the answer.
Oren Wilson was a 3 year starter going into this year.
He hasn't even been sentenced yet, and has already made the decision to leave.
4 months away from activities - next strike you're out.
were you expecting a pound of flesh? or four?
Do you really know this to be the case?
the Michigan football program is stocked with kids getting second chances for crimes worse than following their buddies into a bad situation. what people are failing to do is separate the actions of those who faced criminal charges and sentencing for HITTING and those who faced probation for being there during the hitting.
what in the hell should Dantonio have done for four kids who got probation for their minor roles in an embarrassing event? MSU already lost 8 kids out of this. ripping into the school for daring to list them on a roster when Grady was welcomed onto the team for worse is odd to say the least.
watching your friends/teammates hit random guys they weren't even looking for is now worse than drunk driving?
First, I'm not entirely sure which Michigan players you are referring to with crimes worse than conspiracy.
Second, the suspension wouldn't be for the dorm massacre. It would be for lying to their coaches about involvement, which enabled them to both play in the bowl game. This is simply not something he can allow then to get away with. Terrible precedent to set.
not currently. hence program, not roster.
also i would LOVE to know what suspension/ramifications you think appropriate. if Dantonio is stupid enough to blindly give these kids four months suspension and no bowl game for lying, it's his bed to lie in. in the meantime i hear nobody explaining how much FURTHER they think the penalties should have gone.
I'm curious what "stocked" means to you.
If you bought a permit to fish in a stream that was described as "stocked" with trout, how many trout would you expect to see? One? Two? Ten? Twenty?
i meant historically, including carr, not the current "regime."
how many guys got second chances with carr?
Grady did worse? That's just fucking stupid. Go sit in the corner.
when in the HELL did being so drunk behind the wheel that you are arrested ASLEEP in a running car become less of a 'oh no' crime than showing up to a fight and not taking a swing?
your priorities, or blue glasses, are way off.
Wyoming Police pulled over the 22-year-old as he drove south on Byron Center Avenue SW near 44th Street in a 2007 GMC Yukon Denali just before 2 a.m.
According to the ticket issued to Grady, he had a blood-alcohol level of 0.281. Michigan's legal definition of drunk is 0.08.
Driving while drunk at THREE TIMES the legal limit is, YES, worse than being present at a fight.
mother of god.
You really think this is nothing more than an "embarassing event?"
And yes, I do think that this is worse than what Grady did. What Grady did was by himself. One person doing something wrong is one thing, but a group of players getting together to intentionally break the law is another thing altogether. That shows a problem with the culture on the team, not just an isolated incident.
Congrats on the babby, by the way.
Thanks a lot. He's a favorite for the class of 2028. Word is he's a Michigan lean, due to family connections.
I'm not sure what his first word will be, but you can bet his first sentence will be "Go Blue." If everything goes as plans, his second sentence will be "Lane Kiffin is a douche" which is sure to please his USC grad and arbitrarily UM-hating uncle.
What am I saying, by the time he can talk Lane Kiffin will be gone.
Best of luck to you, I'm sure you'll do fine. I've got my eight year old almost as hopelessly in love with all things Michigan that I think I'm creating a monster. In a good way though.
So I take it the Summers Eve stuff was pretty good then?
Oh jeez, I forgot about that. Yeah, we're smelling like roses around here now, haha.
On a similar note, I highly recommend Dove MEN+CARE. I bought the body wash/face wash combo. Pretty solid.
it was "by himself" because he didn't hit anybody while driving. jesus h. i love Michigan but this is BLIND loyalty
When I said "by himself" I meant that he didn't encourage a bunch of his teammate buddies to do it with him.
And you're right that it would have been a different story had he hit someone. But he didn't. Crimes are treated differently based on the result. If I shoot a person and kill them, or I shoot at a person and miss them, it's a very different crime. Don't give me a "well what if Grady would have kept driving and hit someone" argument. What if the MSU players would have kept punching and killed a kid? See, it doesn't really make sense.
he got pulled over at 3x the legal limit. that ranks "better" in my book when compared to having the chance to hitting someone and not taking the swing. i'd like to hear an argument otherwise.
Intent, Malice, general lack of discipline and respect for society in general. Thugs > drunks
Let's face it wouldn't we only be surprised if he actually showed back bone and sent them out the door. He's already set the precedent once you serve your prison time you'll be welcomed back with open arms. It's the University of Tennessee form of discilpine.
"It's the University of Tennessee form of disci[pl]ine" such as kicking your best player out of school i.e. Tyler Smith?
I guess you missed that the other two players involved in that incident are playing in the NCAA tourney. Also that of the 4 players involved in the first incident only one was kicked out of school (though another chose to transfer). (sorry I'm an excellent speller but a hunt and pecker so...)
Let's hope MSU doesn't play Florida State in a bowl game. Yikes!
Note the absence of editorializing. Whenever a story about Dorsey or Feagin came up, RR was criticized for giving them one chance. So far, I have seen no such criticism of Saint Dantonio giving multiple chances to jailbirds.
And there won't be. MSU is supposedly the state of Michigan's knight in shining armor.
Michigans Night in Shiny Handcuffs..
Small clarification. What chance did Feagin get? We've already established here that his record was pretty clean coming into school. The second he got into trouble, he was gone.
But I'm with you Tater, the double standard is infuriating.
It is not okay to give a first chance to a kid that is going to break the law in the future.
Are you Tom Cruise in Minority Report?
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess you shouldn't be allowed to drive, you might break the speed limit.
Stop making character judgments about young men you know absolutely nothing about, just because they come from a different background than you and act differently.
Do you suppose jtmc33 might have been using a common technique called 'sarcasm'?
This is possible yes. I guess my sarcasm detector was broken then, because a lot of people would/have said exactly what he did. And while I suppose that is what makes the sarcasm work there, idk, I guess would need a /sarcasm tag on that one. Too subtle.
I try to just avoid threads like these in general.
On this board? Nooooooo.
i'm gonna go with "felony charges stemming from robbing a drug dealer after years of involvement with drug trade" > "trying to fight the guy who brought casserole to the potluck"
I heard Feagin TP'ed a few people in high school... RR should never have recruited such a lewd and violent individual!
IIRC, he was arrested for a couple of minor things in HS and sold drugs (pot?). Pretty sure he confessed to that while he was being interrogated for the cocaine thing.
Additionally, his coach was throwing misinformation. There was no way for RR to know about any of that shit unless he was hanging out with Feagan in high school.
Tater, you are looking at this rationally ---- not how these stories are being manipulated by the local media to form the "truth" in the public's eye:
1a) These Sparties pled out... they admitted they did it and admitted they were wrong. That is the right thing to do. They served their time and should be commended for taking responsibility.
1b) And good for St. Dantonio for his support... when you see only one set of footprints in the sand it's not because Coach abandoned you, it's because Coach was carrying you. That's team. That's love. Second chances are good (unless you are a third stringer).
2) Obviously Dorsey lied and hid the truth when he refused to take responsibility. He got lucky with an acquital because everyone knows he is a criminal. RR awards kids that get away with crime by paying for their college just so he can steal a 4-star athlete.
You forgot that these kids aren't from (gasp) Florida
now spartan fans can play the "who is your favorite convict on the team?" game.
when have they NOT been able to play that game?
well at least they have good depth at the position. that could pose a lot of matchup problems for teams with many fewer convicts.
it's a variation of Fuck/Marry/Kill entitled "Felony/Misdemeanor/Killer"
"I take Cousins for the Misdemeanor because it'd probably be, you know, protesting an abortion clinic.... and... Dantonio for felony AWESOMENESS .... and I think Greg Jones might kill someone on the field this year bc OMGREGJONES"
"It draws our team together.."
Well, I'd think the collective search for replacement WRs (see Nichol) would have also drawn the team together.
Michigan Stadium will be fun for those boys next season.