Dantonio elicits sympathy from Jamie Samuelson via Detroit Free Press

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"The only thing that might trump the Harbaugh obsession is the obsession that Michigan State fans have over the Harbaugh obsession in the first place. Mark Dantonio went on SportsCenter, got asked about Harbaugh, and the Spartan fans went ballistic. Rolling Stone (a noted sports publication) printed an article wondering if Harbaugh and Ohio State’s Urban Meyer could restore the Big Ten to greatness and MSU fans harped that Dantonio is a pretty good coach too. And then a caricature of Harbaugh made it on the cover of ESPN’s College Football Preview magazine and the whole cycle repeated."

Source:  Detroit Free Press, 8/11/2015 [Jamie Samuelsen]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2015/08/11/jamie-u-m-gets-all-coverage-while-msu-piles-up-wins/31448349/

 

 

clarkiefromcanada

August 11th, 2015 at 10:45 AM ^

Not this narrative again. This is the type of thinking that led Brady Hoke to apologize because a spike got planted on the field at MSU. Its tiring. Jim Harbaugh not going that way. Bottom line, until Sparty wins the next 35 in a row then I, as a Michigan supporter, will continue to talk all day, all the time as indicated.

As to these ongoing Sparty threads. Dammit OP. When does the season begin, anyway? I said it last week and I'll say it again...

 

Gofor2

August 11th, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^

You can say anything, nothing, nada.!! Further stop making excuses, it's the players that are on the field, and the Spartans have tougher, stronger, and dominate. They have beaten Michigan so often for so long that it's not even a rivalry anymore. When Sparty and OSU are looking at their schedules they circle each other as the team that may beat them, they look at Michigan the same way they look a Indiana, and NW. UM is not elite, not respected, and not relevant. Dantonio isn't mad at UM, he fukin owns UM, he is mad at the Media for acting like UM is something other than a 5-7 team who over paid for a average coach that got booted from his last job.

Gofor2

August 11th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

That Dantonio, and his Spartans, have wiped their asses with Michigan for 6 of the last 7 years. Mark Dantonio is a top 5 coach in all college football. He is also clearly the 2nd best coach in the Big 10. Until Harbaugh can actually win games, and until Harbaugh is able to beat Dantonio on the field, Harbaugh is, and will remain far below Meyer and Dantonio on the totem poll.

The Geek

August 11th, 2015 at 11:17 AM ^

"We're driving, trying to score and get the two-pointer to tie the game," Neuheisel said, as he starts to get animated.

"We don't get it done. I walk across to shake his hand. He runs up, he's as excited as he can be, he slaps my hand and says, 'What'd you think about that, Ricky!' And takes off.

 

True Blue Grit

August 11th, 2015 at 7:57 AM ^

If you listen real hard, you can hear the Dantonio/Harbaugh pot bubbling on the back burner and it's only a matter of time until it boils over.  And IT WILL boil over.  You know that Harbaugh knows how much all this attention Michigan is getting bugs Dantonio.  So, he'll use it to his advantage.  But yeah, it will be interesting to see the post-game meeting between the two after Michigan beats them this year.  

saveferris

August 11th, 2015 at 7:12 AM ^

What's annoying about this whole disprespect meme with Spartan fans is how misplaced is their ire.  Dantonio goes on ESPN and gets asked about Harbaugh and Spartan fans blame....Michigan.  Rolling Stone writes an article about Harbaugh and Urban Meyer and Spartan fans blame....Michigan. 

Let's get things straight here Sparty, the only thing Michigan has done directly to disrespect you in the last 10 years is when Mike Hart called you Little Brother.  That's it.  All the rest of this stuff that you're bent out shape over is just your jealousy and insecurity coming out and has nothing to do with the Blue Wall conspiracy theories that you love to throw around.  I realize it must be frustrating to have Harbaugh steal so much of your thunder given your recent achievements.  Grow up and get over it.

bacon

August 11th, 2015 at 7:23 AM ^

To be fair, I think MSU fans cling to the Sparty disrespect meme because it keeps them relevant. otherwise, I'm sure they feel they'd fade into obscurity. Thing is they have a good football team, so they'd probably get attention either way, but their program identity is built on not getting enough respect and the media attention for Harbaugh plays right into that.

Glennsta

August 11th, 2015 at 9:47 AM ^

The whole meme of "national football power, fallen on hard times, rescued by former QB who was a top NFL coach" just screams for press coverage.

Especially so when Harbaugh is such a quirky guy.  How many other major college coaches can you imagine who would get their faces on camera in Judge Judy's courtroom or who would run around shirtless at a camp? The guy knows how to get the publicity, whether he consciously seeks it or not.

saveferris

August 11th, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^

For all the bitching that Spartan fans do about Harbaugh's antics, Tom Izzo is every bit the media hog that Jim is.  Dressing up in costumes, etc.  Granted basketball doesn't get the same kind of coverage as football, but hypocracy much?

ijohnb

August 11th, 2015 at 7:30 AM ^

amazing that State has done what they have without ever really being "accepted" into current elite status.  In a five year span, they have won a regular season conference title, a BIG championship game title, lost another in a heartbreaker, beat a very good Georgia team, won a Rose Bowl and a Cotton Bowl. This is a list of acheivements that gets you in the club, other teams like Stanford have been welcomed into said club based on far less.  But State does not get recognized as a power even though the results say they are, they remain an afterthought nationally and really are not that reveared even locally.  I get that they are ranked high so I am not saying they are not respected but they still seem to get an implied asterick when discussed among top level teams. 

Rumor had it that a big part of the reason Saban left State is due to the fact that they were not going to get out of Michigan's shadow regardless of what they did.  I think there is kind of something to that but not just Michigan.  Throw Ohio State and Notre Dame in the mix and State is kind of in a Bermuda triangle of marginalization.

umbig11

August 11th, 2015 at 8:15 AM ^

Only team to finish in the Top 5 the last two years. Yet, they put themselves in that tiny little box of underachievers and disrespected because that's all they talk about from the top down. Act like you have been there before and things will start to change. However, their window may be closing. PSU will be ramping up now that they are off probation and have Franklin. Maryland is recruiting much better than they have in the past. Add Harbaugh and Michigan back in the mix and Sparty may start slipping to the middle.

phork

August 11th, 2015 at 8:51 AM ^

I am not sure I follow your line of thinking.  Dantonio, more than anyone in D1, has done lots more with less.  Michigan and OSU can have all the 5 stars and 4 stars they want, MSU is content on finding defensive gems in the rough.  The question on my mind is was it Dantonio or Narduzzi as the ring leader of the defence?  Franklin doesn't really impress me much and Maryland is, well Maryland.  Maryland soared under Friedgen and now Randy Edsall is, well Randy Edsall.

ijohnb

August 11th, 2015 at 9:07 AM ^

he framed it wrong when he said "box of underacheivers" but I think his point is well taken.  Michigan State has formed its identify as "the little engine that could" to carve out who they are in the grand landscape but it might be a blessing and a curse for them.  It may be the source of their motivation but also the reason for their pertetual marginalization.

As for the Narduzzi v. Dantonio question, I think Dantonio is the ring leader of everything there.  Not to discount Narduzzi's ability as a coach but I think of Dantonio when I think of State's identity, even defensively.  I think the bigger question is whether the "coaching up" narrative was born more from getting incredibly lucky in recruiting over a relatively short amount of time than it was from anything in particular they are doing from a coaching angle.  It would seem that water will find its level at some point unless somehow Dantonio is some coaching god that can turn water into wine with the snap of a finger.

umbig11

August 11th, 2015 at 9:35 AM ^

"They framed their identity!" Well said. However, I still believe PSU and Michigan will rise above MSU sooner rather than later and Maryland will continue to get better. MD could be the Iowa of the east. Have a good year every so often and reside in the middle most of the time.

allintime23

August 11th, 2015 at 7:12 AM ^

I work in the Lansing area and every morning and afternoon I tune into their radio shows to here them complain about how everyone talks about Harbaugh. I'm not sure if they don't realize they're talking about Harbaugh the entire time. It's maddening but pretty funny at the same time.



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flashOverride

August 11th, 2015 at 9:13 AM ^

Right before they do their "Buckeye Bounce" to a song by a band from Michigan. Unless they've stopped doing that. It was big in 2008-10 when I was down there. 

Anyway, the whole MSU disrespect thing has long since reached the point where it seems like they'd have no other national identity without it. Drop it and respect will come. Continue to act like Jan Brady, and you'll continue to be recognized as such, regardless of what happens on any field. 

Good thing Jamie Samuelson is part of the "Blue Wall", though. 

ijohnb

August 11th, 2015 at 7:33 AM ^

Samuelson is usually pretty balanced in his takes.  If you look hard enough you can probably identify that the entire peice is built on sarcasm however derivative it may be.  Jamie and Wojo provide pretty much the most balanced discussion of college football on any Michigan radio station at any time of day.

El Jeffe

August 11th, 2015 at 7:45 AM ^

Maybe not at the moment but there was some post about his name being misspelled a few days ago. I preferred the days of irrelevance. Oh well, maybe once we start winning again.

LKLIII

August 11th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^

That's the ironic thing though. This faux outrage over being disrespected is actually part of what fuels their identity and motivation as a team. If they actually were respected and the outrage meme was taken from them, they wouldn't know what to do and a big part of their psychologically competitive edge would be taken from them. It'd be like a dog who actually catches the car they are chasing. "Now what?" So as much as they bitch about this disrespect thing, it's really become a core aspect of their identity. They're in this odd spot where they'd actually be worse off if they got what they allegedly are wishing for.



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WolverineHistorian

August 11th, 2015 at 9:52 AM ^

But they have gotten respect lately. They are preseason #6 in the country and picked to finish second in the conference behind OSU. That's pretty high respect in my book. Last year, they were picked to finish 2nd behind OSU. Again, that's high respect...and their fans completely lost their sh*t. And there was no Harbaugh yet. If there was no OSU in the conference, I don't know how they would milk the disrespect card to such insane levels.

LKLIII

August 11th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^

That may be true in reality, but not in Dantonio-land.  This faux outrage/disrespect illusion thing needs to be propped up at all costs.  It's his entire schtick for motivating his locker-room.  So even when they ARE respected, he won't acknowledge it.  He'll be like Baghdad Bob, denying until his last breath that his team is getting any kind of respect at all.

The problem is, at some point even if he denies reality, the locker room will see through the act eventually.  It may be a delayed effect because he will try to manufacture slights wherever he can.  But at some point his own players will stop buying into that story-line.

rufftime

August 11th, 2015 at 7:45 AM ^

and this thread supports the notion that UofM fans are obsessed over the obession MSU fans have with the obession UofM fans and the media have with Harbaugh. 

Kermits Blue Key

August 11th, 2015 at 8:14 AM ^

Who gives a shit?!? I'm so tired of people getting upset about other people talking about Michigan State. Are we so insecure that we can't even acknowledge Michigan State's rise in recent years by - gasp - talking about them without some folks getting bent out of shape? And what official rankings are we adhering to when attempting to determine what fans are most obsessed with their rival school?

It's all so fucking dumb. It's a rivalry. They're good. Deal with it.