landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Disagree. Shitty thread.
I do not think this is a shitty thread. You big meanie.
sparty going to spart.
Really? They're finding things to bring them closer as a team. Just leave them alone already. If Hoke did something like this, 90% of people here would think its cool and another great reason we hired Hoke.
I think my response would be more "I think that is silly, but Hoke is a badass so ill let it slide"
Means of brining a strong work ethic to their team-
Dantonio: mechanic shirt
Hoke: Navy Seals training
I think that this boils down to an inherent "does not get it".
Hoke takes his kids bowling, which is the best part about bowling.
Dantonio makes his kids wear bowling shirts, which (aside from the herpes shoes) is the worst part about bowling.
Sparty doesn't get it.
Tell me of these herpes shoes.
Totally agree, a lot of teams do things like this to build comradery.
If Hoke did it, we'd all be scrambling all over the Internet trying to find out how we could each get one.
No matter how much skill a team brings, they need a hard-working mentality. Is it cheesy? Maybe, but no more than tridents or ice picks.
Thank you. The obsession with Michigan state is getting silly.
This state was built on Blue Collar workers. He is creating a bond with his team, as well as attempting to get a bond with the state to his team.
Good for him
All teams have the corny things they do. Players either think it's corny and that brings them together or think it's fun and has some meaning and that brings them together. Fans eat it up. Opposing fans say it's embarrassing, stupid, and funny. I'm kinda "eh" on the whole thing.
Gaunt, gray-faced, grim, heavy bags under eyes. He's 57, but IMHO looks much older. Must be the stress.
Dantonio was never Mr. GQ ... but still, I think you're onto something here.
The loss of Tressel, a friend in the ranks of Big 10 coaches, and the arrival of Hoke and Meyer has really put a dent in Michigan State football. Hoke and Meyer are absolutely sucking the oxygen out of the recruiting room for lesser teams like MSU.
The Spartans are running on fumes right now. They had their run in the limelight, but their 15 minutes of fame is about up. They're not going to be able to keep up with the quality and depth that UM and OSU has. Their best hope is to be the best second-tier program in the Big 10.
I'm not trying to be harsh ... I'm trying to be realistic. Look at this from Dantonio's perspective. He's living on table scraps. The 10-year horizon must look grim to Dantonio.
their new shirts, but I agree wholeheartedly with DonAZ... Sparty had a small window of opportunity to really become something strong over the medium to long term. We were in the midst of the RR/immediate post RR debacle (blame whomever you want, but it was a debacle). Ohio was clearly reeling with their Pryor, Tressel, Gee, Smith hilarity, and ND was in their second decade of substandard results. Where was Sparty? Looking pretty good on teh field with a little bit of a Miami (YTM)/bad boy flavor to capitalize on in recruiting. They were also competing against a bad B1G that assured them a pretty good record every year. Where are they now? They aren't even competitive for major Midwest recruits and this is the last year when I'd expect our game with them to have a line within 6 or 7 points. The run appears to be over.
The loss of Tressel was a devastating blow to Dantonio. It's understated how much Tressel helped his friend recruit in Ohio against RR. Some of the underrated players that MSU stuumbled upon were guys Tressel knew were good but had no room for, so why not help out a buddy and screw your biggest rival in the process.
"Hoke and Meyer are absolutely sucking the oxygen out of the recruiting room for lesser teams like MSU."
I disagree completely. If anything their recruiting has gotten better and with UM and OSU pulling more national recruits, that leave MSU to scoop up the players UM and OSU can't/won't take.
Okay, fair point to discuss ... and it's actually a pretty interesting question.
If I'm reading it correctly, your position is that U-M and OSU have vacated to a degree the states of Michigan and Ohio in pursuit of even better recruits nationally. This leaves good MI and OH players for MSU.
Question 1 -- Numerically, is that true? I guess that would require an analysis of recruiting cycles going back six or so years to see if (a) the number of MI or OH recruits secured by MSU went up, down or stayed the same; and (b) whether the quality of the recruits changed ... and that requires assuming recruiting stars are good proxies for eventual performance.
Question 2 -- Did the relative absence of UM/OSU in the states accrue to MSU, or did other schools take advantage of it? Again, there'd be some number-digging to derive that.
Question 3 -- Did UM/OSU going national result in any change of MSU relative to UM/OSU and relative to other B1G? Assuming UM and OSU were successful in their national recruiting, then I doubt MSU would gain relative to those two schools. Relative to other B1G teams? Maybe? That's a "time will tell" thing.
I guess bottom line is, "We'll see".
I did a little poking around on Rivals and I see that for 2014, at any rate, MSU and UM are relatively close for MI recruits ... MSU went pretty big into Chicago (5 Illinois), while Michigan went more east (NJ, MD, VA)
It is hard to definitively say it is true yet, but there are a couple other things to consider:
The difference between MSU's 2008 class vs. their 2009 and 2010 classes are night and day, at least star wise. A good number of those kids were from Michigan and I would attribute a lot of that to RR's focus elsewhere and quest for guys that fit his system. When Hoke came in and recruited Michigan hard and pulled a lot of guys from Ohio, MSU had to settle for other guys, although they did get some that we would have liked (Reshke, Burbridge).
They have also taken smaller classes than UM the last two years and the bigger classes in 2009-11 are becoming upperclassmen/graduating, so the depth chart is very attractive to a guy that wants to play early. That obviously doesn't mean all the top Michigan and Ohio talent will flock there, but if UM and Ohio go from taking 2 or 3 CBs per year to taking 1 then MSU and everyone else will have a better shot at those 2-4 guys that otherwise would have gone to UM or OSU.
This is indeed an interesting question. They have moved into that 25-40 range yearly (2009 aside) - sounds about right for that group which would probably now includes teams like Northwestern, Missouri, Texas Tech, TCU, North Carolina, etc.
We look like RCMB by even bringing this up and making fun of it.
What made this board so endearing in the past was that it (usually) was above all this petty BS. The MGoCommunity has grown and it seems some of the newer members want to stoop to Sparty-like obsessing. To hell with them. When threads like this appear, Sparty turns to the MSU Orientation/Meme Syllabus and replies with, "we're so in your heads.
The voting system used to control those who felt the need to stoop to rcmb levels. A barrage of neg-bombs used to send a clear message to posters that we are better than that. If you want to do that kind of crap, head over to one of the other sites and join the flaming foray.
To his credit, at least he's not getting them in a hand-holding circle to sing Josh Groban songs.
Man that is beautiful and touching. I'm being dead serious. Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.
Have you seen his teeth? In all honesty I am glad he's an angry sumbitch who doesn't smile often.
What's next? The board will start reacting with >100 posts when a QB that isn't even on Michigan's board commits to the little brother? Srsly.
I see what u did there
these shirts!! I want to talk about redshirts!! Who knows about redshirts? Redshirts.
Makes this post worth it
I was nervous to click on this... Dantonio, dress, pump and lube is a strange combination of words.
... I guess I was a bit out of line and somewhat harsh.
And I fully expect some in East Lansing to make fun of the shirt Coach Hoke wore yesterday. And be especially critical of the guest speaker he had address the team.
PS The speaker didn't need a workshirt with a name tag. Team 134 were all familiar with his work. He actually had a blue collar on, though. With one small item on it in maize. It had wings.
this whole "they should not reference blue-collar work (shirts) because their rival wears blue" makes no sense
that it sucks. Why anyone would want to imitate manual laborers I do not know.
LOL at Dantonio
But sersiously, Spartan recruiting really isn't that bad. They've done some really good things on defense both recruiting and coaching players. All 1 and 2 stars? Not really. Sparty recruiting is pretty good even compared the rest of the Big. It's just Mich and Ohio killing it in comparison.
Either way, who cares, beat ohio.
thanks for the cheer-me-up after debbie downer "michigan receivers" guy.
Wear a blue collar
Go to Michigan
Meet Tom Brady
I suspect the look on MD's face is the result of too much pump and not enough lube.
I cannot downvote this thread enough. Simply stupid
Who cares what they do. November 2nd we just need to take care of business and win a game we should win. There will be personal fouls galore and a drunken crowd of hate. Why give them anymore fire with dumb stuff like this?
A Pizza Hut shirt might be more appropriate. Since, you know, their food service and hospitality program is so successful.
Who can resist a pretty face?
Spartan Moving is an actual company... which makes this weird. I think they should have gone with Spartan Plumbing (an actual company, and nothing against plumbers, it just seems like a more crappy job).
I read that somewhere. Seems some on this board ran out of brie not whine.
Its not just this thread, which is fine by me but is kind of a reach. Its that I have noticed a lot of threads that fit that description. Most involve more comments about the thread's worth than its actual substance.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have run out of things to discuss. There is no "hot seat." There is no "process." Recruiting seems to be going very well. Etc.
We are encounterning the curse of a stable program in the off season.
We need ourselves from Michigan football in the worst way.
Only eight more days.
You know you shouldn't, but you can't help yourself, no matter the consequences. And there are always consequences.
Plus, you know Dantonio will never smile, shake a hand or say a single kind word in connection with this rivalry. So, that's why these theads get started and attract commentary from all sides. Don't poke a sleeping Sasquatch or a goofy one. Just wait fot the hate. Dantonio will bring it without any motivation.
Jiffy Lube looked familiar
So you got drunk and had a little fun with her at some point, now she wants to share her hopes and dreams but if you just ignore her long enough she will just go away.