on Dantonio's decline to comment.
Dantonio declines comment on Rucker
I love that "completion of the legal process" in E. Lansing means when you get out of the clink. I would think the proper timing would be when the jail door shuts on a sentence.
who defines the process. If it's the NFL, then nobody will be able to explain how to complete the process.
As long as he doesn't hurt his ankle like Winston, he should have a spot waiting for him on the team when the orange jumper comes off.
Wow, I didn't realize that Stonum nearly killed a fellow student athlete and spent time in prison for that violent crime. (enough said)
No, just tell us about the ones where a UM player committed a violent felony against a fellow student, went to jail for that violent crime, and was welcomed back on the team as soon as he was released from prison.
You can list those in a reply to this post if you like. I'll await the reply eagerly....
EDIT: I guess it is a vanishingly short list, huh?
Let's see for UM, we have:
Stonum, Grady, Cissoko, feagin, and....... ????
Chris L Rucker (twice)
Mitchell White (twice)
Am I missing anyone?
Jenrette was arrested twice in Florida, and once in MI, including one arrest before he even stepped on MSU's campus. Very impressive
Jenrette was arrested twice in Florida, and once in MI, including one arrest before he even stepped on MSU's campus. Very impressive
...the media won't jump on him for this. Makes no sense, but it's true.
I decline to comment on Rich's declined statement
big suprise there
Dantonio learned from the best, Tressell.
Don't tell me the Freep has turned their heads on this one have they?
the bottom of this. They will probably even put their number one man (and newest MSU fan) Drew Sharp on the case.
I say he will be out for this weekend's game.
me thinks, he will be out for the first series
Where is the media outrage? The sense of shock? The articles about the bunch of thugs that Dantonio is bringing in to MSU? If Michigan's players had the same number of legal incidents as MSU's players have had these past few years, the Freep would have to include a whole new pullout section just to hold all of the articles.
Everyone tries to beat you down and throw you under the bus. The underdogs are always given the benefit of the doubt, no matter how unfathomable their actions. Given all of the criminal activity in which MSU athletes have been involved in the last couple of years, you would think this would get more national attention. But, alas, everyone wants to see them topple Michigan, no matter the consequences
No outrage. No sense of shock. that is because sparty is simply living up to expectations. It's all about expectations. the media, fans, everyone EXPECTS that kind of behavior in East Lansing so it isn't news. There is nothing in this story that is going to have any shock value so anything in the media about it would simply die on a vine.
I suggest we let it. Otherwise we are the ones that look like the whiney little brother with the inferiority complex continually crying "It's not fair..."
We all know our relative standing in this relationship. Be happy in that knowledge.
I'm not surprised Dantonio didn't speak about it. Why get into that whole can of worms? Especially when he knows he'll welcome him back eventually to some local (ie. Drew Sharp) criticism.
I just don't understand why RIttenberg @ ESPN says that he deserves to see the playing field again this year. He broke his probation. Plus, bowl games are rewards for kids. Does he really deserve that reward? Me thinks he won't learn his lesson by missing the Purdue and Minnesota games. He'll definitely be back if they're 11-0 going to Happy Valley.
The kid is suspended from the team and was within hours of being arrested. He's missed time in significant games. Are there additional details I've missed as to why this is so egregious of Dantonio?
I agree Dantonio has been shady in terms of discipline the past few years, but I'm missing how this is an example of that shadiness. Letting the legal process play out before assessing additional punishment seems fair.
not much more to play out. He was on probation already for his involvement in the Rather Hall beat down. He got charged with DUI a few weeks ago and pled out to a lesser charge. He is doing jail time for the probation violation. Al that is left to play out is for Rucker to tell Dantonio he is really sorry and won't get into any more trouble.
Didn't realize he was part of the Potluck Massacre. Book 'em Danno... wow. that actually fits.
the book 'em part.
He was also involved in the hockey house incident.
Once a criminal is behind bars, the "legal process" has pretty much played out.
The guy has had two serious run-ins with the law in a span of 10 months. What else does Dantonio need to glean from the situation?
because Rucker was already on probation. I don't know all of the details, but it's likely that drinking or simply getting arrested could have been a violation of Rucker's probation and that his recent jail stay is a sanction for violating probation, not for drunk driving. I do remember reading that the probation department recommended jail time for him as a sanction for violating probation. I think it's likely he was in jail pursuant to this recommendation, which the court can execute pretty quickly, because the legal process for probation violations is more informal and tends to be rather brief.
I expect that the legal process for the DUI offense is still pending and will not be completed for quite a while yet. I'd be very surprised if he had already been convicted on the DUI charge or if he'd even had the opportunity to make a plea agreement yet.
Consequently, "the completion of the legal process" could refer to the process arising from his violation of probation conditions, or it could be the process arising from his DUI arrest. I don't know which one Dantonio is referring to, and it's possible he's being deliberately vague about which one because he wants to keep his options open.
At least I was half-right about the probation.
Can I assert my general apathy about all things MSU as a defense to my ignorance?
Amazing how quickly justice is reached for MSU athletes:
MSU's Lucious pleads guilty to reckless driving
Matt Charboneau / The Detroit News
East Lansing -- Korie Lucious, a junior guard on Michigan State's basketball team, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor reckless driving on Thursday in 54-B District Court.
Lucious was arrested early Monday morning on suspicion of drunken driving in East Lansing. He will be sentenced at 8:15 a.m. on Dec. 20. The lesser charge of reckless driving will stand as long as Lucious stays out of trouble prior to sentencing.
Not sure how many jurisdictions routinely allow "alledged" drunken drivers to plead to a traffic ticket within a couple weeks of an arrest.
Also, presumably, he doesn't have the time, nor the desire, to visit Rucker in jail. Maybe he wants to personally discuss his punishment with Rucker before he announces it to the public?
Why don't we wait until after he reinstates him on Thursday to condemn the prick?
people are upset bc nobody knew where Rucker was, Dantonio claimed he was letting the 'process complete' before commenting. some would argue the truth ended up being the process was over, Rucker was already in jail, and Dantonio was throwing a red herring.
with all said, the questionable item is that Dantonio said everyone involved in the Rather Hall incident was on a short leash, no errors, reportedly no second chances. Rucker violated probation by drinking and violated the law by driving intoxicated. people on the board presume he will be returning to the field after the Iowa game. this would appear to be 'hypocritical' of Dantonio bc of his claim of no chances and of the press as nobody has taken him to task for really any of the recent legal items that popped up. all while RR was blasted for giving a kid a chance who had made mistakes in the past and wanted to be out of state to continue his efforts of fixing his life
I don't recall RR getting blasted for Stonum's and Grady's mishaps, those incidents seem more in line with Rucker's situation.
I'm pretty sure Stonum and Grady hadn't previously participated in a premeditated assault against a bunch of innocent students.
I'm pretty sure the hadn't either. Every time there is a negative situation in EL, a thread is started about the hypocrisy of the MSM. Okay, I get it, any negative press for M is unwarranted and we need to cry like little kids about the unfairness of it all. Anytime anything negative happens in EL, Dantonio needs to be portrayed as the devil by the MSM or the sky is going to fall. It gets old.
Mark Dantonio is a saint!
If any of those players is ever involved in another beat-down at Rather Hall, he is definitely off the team.
I mean to mention this again in Dear Diary this week, but see my comment on the jail thread: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/rucker-was-jail-edit
That was just the examples I could pull from the first two pages of a Google search of college football player DUIs, not anything comprehensive (EDSBS please share your database!) but a clear trend emerged: a kid whose first offense was the DUI generally got a 1-game suspension (at Minnesota it was 2, at Ohio State it's zero, at BYU you're off the team). Kids who had previous offenses about on par with a DUI were kicked off the team, or suspended so hard they decided to transfer.
Rucker should fall into the second category, unless you take the stance that his participation in the Rather Hall Brawl (i.e. standing on the sidelines for 90 percent of it, and spending 6 seconds kicking someone) is not worth mention.
The criticism is coming because Dantonio again seems to be ignoring that the brawl ever occurred, or at least that it is done with and all participants still on the team are absolved of it. Michigan fans tend to take the view that Dantonio's non-punishment of Winston in his first incident was a contributing factor in Brawl, and that his light reaction to the Brawl is evidence that Dantonio is a poor disciplinarian compared to other NCAA coaches (and that this is a reflection on Michigan State's program).
This incident, more specifically, Dantonio's response to this incident, is more evidence of Dantonio's light reaction to the brawl.
This is a reasonable, well thought out post on the subject.
I do think that the details of the Rucker Hall incident should determine the action Dantonio takes. If he was more of a bystander, less of an assaulter, three games missed might be reasonable punishment. Although, it would make him look soft on his stance that everyone involved would not receive a third chance.
My only problem with all this foaming at the mouth chatter about how Dantonio shows no discipline, etc. is that everyone is simply assuming that Dantonio isn't going to do anything. This is sort of a pet peeve of mine, where there is always this huge rush to judgment in society before all the facts are known, a situation at least partially driven by the instantaneous nature of the internet and the 24 hour news cycle. Why can't we wait and see what happens? Won't everyone feel foolish if Rucker gets out of jail on Thursday and is told by Dantonio, "you're no longer a member of the team"?
You hit the nail on the head with your third paragraph. There are also commenters here taking "rush to judgment" to another level by complaining about the media coverage of Dantonio's decision when he hasn't even announced a decision yet.
This story may eventually deserve an outraged response, but it's not there yet.
Before the probation officer suggested 21 days in jail (they settled on 10), Dantonio announced Rucker would miss one week, maybe more, and that Rucker would be in the press box with him during the game.
Since then this has been modified to "indefinitely." Of all the guys I looked up who got DUIs and were suspended one or two games, all of them were "suspended indefinitely" as soon as it happened because that sounds harsh. Guys who were on their second offenses were "not allowed near the team," and such until the details all came out, at which point they were booted.
Dantonio's current statement about "letting the legal process play out," is enough to at least suggest he plans on taking a similar course of action as he did with Winston, i.e. "time served." If he changes his mind, that would very much surprise me, but I will readily congratulate him if that comes to pass. I think there's plenty of indications already that Dantonio does not mean to have Rucker miss the Iowa game.
I think you're reading tea leaves a bit with your last sentence. I wouldn't be surprised if you (and everyone else) is right and he's back for Iowa, well that's not true, I actually would be surprised. All I'm saying is that we don't know yet.
Wait and see what happens. If he comes back for Iowa or even Minnesota, and Dantonio doesn't address the issue other than to say he's back, hammer away.
Oh! you guys, Dantonio... the dean of discipline... I hear that on ESPN ...so it's true.
He's a tough disciplinarian and that is why that green team wins...yep..I heard that on T.V. so it's true, OH! he is up for coach of the year... yep..I heard it.
A coach is not responsible for a player getting in trouble...but a coach is responsible for how he reacts to it.
Why are we reading posts about what is going on at MSU? I thought this was a Michigan blog.
What's the next post going to be? "Dantonio wipes his ass back to front!" This is a stupid topic.
can make topics decide what's stupid
I can still have an opinion....I remember reading posts about how MSU boards are covered with posts about Michigan and pathetic it makes them look.
Who's looking pathetic now?
Well, you've now posted TWICE in a thread you declared was stupid and not worth anyone's time. So, I guess I'll go with you looking pathetic.
and not ONCE have I made a comment about MSU....because I don't care about them. But let's keep talking about big bad Sparty so we can avoid talking about how this team is on the verge of becoming the laughing stock of the Big Ten, again. I can now see why so many people call Michigan fans arrogant. It seems that most of you on this site are Maize and Blue color blind and/or complete idiots.
Now THREE times. You must be really interested in this topic. I'm glad it was posted.
For consistency, please go bitch in the thread about the injured Syracuse player.
Jebus, can we stop talking about msu and Dantonio?
Why can't we get the mgostore to return the
"East Lansing where second chances get second chances" shirt back
I wonder if he will call this play "The Jailbreaker"
Michigan would never allow any players with criminal backgrounds to remain on the team!
Darryl Stonum and Kevin Grady
Fans are NEVER biased for their own team...
While your point is valid, I think the big difference between UofM and State is that here a criminal background is the exception. Whereas at State it is quickly becoming the rule.
Yes. Exactly. MSU has a rule that forces students to become criminal. You hit the nail on the head.
Get off your high horse.
I am not on a high horse. MSU is setting the bar so low it just appears that way.
Michigan has had more than a few athletes get into trouble with the law. You're throwing boulders in a glass house here.
I am well aware that Michigan players have had run ins with the law. However, Michigan has not seen 36 arrests in 2 years that is a fact. Also, RR has proven that he will not tolerate athletes being involved in serious offenses, see Feagin for example.
The point is MSU, and more specifically Dantonio, have the power to stop the behavior of their athletes and the criticism of rival fans if they would just take action instead of letting their players walk out of jail and back onto the field. They choose not to do so.
it is pretty easy to arm chair quarterback a decision to kick a kid off of the team. But the reality is, it isn't an easy decision to do at all. Coaches learn to love their players and they will put up with a certain amount of "growing up".
Would you have a problem with him not dismissing him from the team but not allowing him to dress again?
Honestly, I think most alcohol offenses are minor and part of growing up. I had an MIP in college I understand. Rucker however, was involved in the Rather Hall incident as well. This to me is showing a history and pattern of bad decisions on his part. I would be ok with him being suspended the rest of the season, yes.
so lloyd carr never let me play a down
in fact he acted like he didn't know me or that i was on the team
that was some badass discipline. tremendous, really.
36? Am I missing something? Rather Hall had 15 players involved. Is there another incident that I'm not aware of?
he was pulling an exaggerated number out of his butt... though, to be honest, it's in the 20s right?
As my fellow blogger below me pointed out, I was indeed pulling an exaggerated number from my butt. I do believe the number is closer to 21, if counting multiple arrests by one player.
Which honestly, if not for the gang beating, you arent doing so bad.
Yeah but Stonum wears cool glasses
I don't think any DUI or pot possession charge should be enough to get a player kicked off a team. They are minor "crimes" that don't involve violence or theft. My main problem with MSU is that criminals convicted of violent crimes are routinely welcomed back to the team. Also, the cover-up of the sexual assault case involving two basketball players is quite troubling.
Rucker shouldn't be suspended for just a DUI, but he should have been on zero tolerance after the Thanksgiving Weekend Gang Attack. And if one is on zero tolerance, a DUI should be enough to get them kicked off the team.
Notice the treatment given to Boo-boo and Feagin after they committed crimes that are more serious than simple DUI or possession: they were booted from the team. RR runs a lot tighter ship in Ann Arbor than Saint Dantonio does in EL. Somehow, though, the instate media act as if the opposite were true.
I find it odd that you put DUI and possession charges as equal. I would agree with your points about possession, but a DUI is a whole different thing. DUIs should be very serious matters, but the sports(and celebrity) world seem to think they're meaningless. It's an incredibly dangerous situation, and a situation where one should NEVER put themselves in.
I'd be in favor of much harsher penalties for DUIs, and that includes guys like Stonum. Two of them should be an automatic boot off the team, and a former arrest + a DUI should also be an automatic boot off a team. Heck, the first DUI should probably be at least a 6 game suspension. It's just such an incredibly dumb thing to do and puts so many other people in danger.
I agree that one instance of legal trouble should not get someone booted from the team. But the big difference here is Rather Hall. Frankly, every player involved in that incident should have been off the team, permanently, and Dantonio should have been fired immediately. Why? Because one player getting in trouble is a bad decision made by a young man. But the Rather Hall brawl was an instance of a large portion of the team deciding, as a group, that going off and committing premeditated assault was a good idea. It demonstrated, perhaps more clearly than anything else I can think of, that a culture of lax discipline and violence existed in the MSU team. That is the responsibility of the coach, period. If 20 of your players think that Rather Hall is acceptable behavior and no one in that group stands up and says stop, then either Dantonio puposely looks the other way from that sort of behavior, or he has zero control over the discipline of his team. The fact that one of the ringleaders of the incident is someone Dantonio let back on the team immediately after sepnding six months in jail for a serious assault is even more damning.
If something like that happened at Michigan, I would want Rodriguez and his whole staff fired. If Brandon wouldn't do it, I'd expect Mary Sue to fire him too, and then do it herself. Again, players screwing up is an individual problem and will happen. But when extracurricular assault becomes a team activity, the idea of anyone getting a second chance, let alone a third, is ridiculous.
More to the point, if this happened at Michgian, would the coach had been fired?
The sticky point for Dantonio is that the ringleader was a guy who previously committed an atrocious assault (ruining the career of one of their hockey players), and that player walked out of jail and back onto the team. This gives the coach some culpability, since I think it's pretty reasonable to say given the nature of Winston's transgression, he should have been off the team or suspended at least a year. The weak action in that case could have been construed by his players as tacit tolerance (to a degree) of gang behavior.
I've gone over this in my head 100 times and the best I've got is this: if it was a 3rd year coach, absolutely; if he was in his 10th year, probably. The difference is in whether or not there's a history to suggest this was against the character of the coach and his program. For a guy in his first five years at a big program, there's not enough to go on.
Did they steal that form letter from Marlin Jackson, Carson Butler, Adrian Arrington or somebody else.
Maybe its been handed down over the years beginning with that dude in the 1970s who got busted for writing forged checks--including the check he wrote to cover his restitution. In his autobiography, Bo said it was one his favorite players. Cant remember the name, though.
Anyway, maybe the form letter is his original work?
No, it was probably plagiarized.
I agree with the hypocrisy, but I will counter that I don't remember Lloyd, Moeller, etc. ever being treated as scions of character and sportsmanship like Dantonio has been anointed recently; or conversely, portrayed as a peddler of thugs like RR has been defined basically since he arrived. My issue is less about this particular offense and more about the fact that Dantonio has shown an inability to properly control his team off-the-field until it is convenient for him.
you LOVE you some devil's advocate but grady had to work his way back on the team and stonum's issue occurred during the off-season. this isn't an issue even with the player but the coach who says one thing and does another.
Oh, and you're sure those things aren't/haven't been happening at MSU, huh?
on Michigan's hypocrisy
I'm not talking about Dantonio. He's an ass.
I'm talking about the players who screw up having to work their way back onto the team, etc. Are you certain that Rucker et al. haven't had to pay their dues to remain on the team?
Thats apples to apples,but how much would you want for oh say 1000 points.
You know what? It's the job of a head coach to decide what discipline will be given out for offenses. Not anybody else's. I would kick Rucker off my team too, but that's me. People are upset because of the Dantonio/Rodriguez double standard set forward in the press, but that's not Dantonio's fault.
I don't think that this isn't board-worthy (in fact I think it's petty that people pretend they are the arbiters of what can and cannot be posted), but I do think it's evidence of how much MSU has gotten under our skin and I'd just as soon not stress and whine about what Dantonio does involving the exercise of discipline at a school that is NOT OURS.
My question to you, and the rest of the GoBlogWorld. Would this have been a multiple page post (the week of the Penn State game might I add) had this been involving a starting CB on one of John L. Smith's early mid 2000s 5-win football teams?
5 wins or 11 wins, doesn't matter. It isn't the team record, it is the media stance that is causing the reaction. John L. Smith was not cannonized by ESPN like Dantonio. That is what is irritating.
The other issue is that we are trying to spread one week of PSU butter over two weeks of bread.
Well, as long as the cannonization of Dantonio involves a 155mm howitzer, I'm all for it.
My question to you, friendly neighborhood Sparty, is how do you feel about the coach of a team you support, a team that is one of the most public faces of Michigan State University, thinking that 20% of his team participating in premeditated assault is okie-dokie?
And this is the flip side of the coin. As long as MSU is beating Michigan, their fans could care less if Charles Manson was throwing fade routes to Ted Bundy.
I'm pretty sure that play is called "Little Rascals".
If I were the coach, he would be off my team. Bottom line, I also believe in 2nd chances, but not a big fan of 3rd and 4th chances. Personally, I think Rucker is done. I know MD didn't comment, but I personally thinks he wants to speak to Rucker and his family first before dismissing him at a press conference.
Well for one Haloscan had like 6-pt. font so any 2005 muli-page thread would have been long indeed.
Of course, the answer is no. When MSU has a coach who's losing, our response to good disciplinary action would be to patronizingly congratulate you on living up to our standards of good behavior, and our response to bad disciplinary action would be "lolSparty keep trying."
What's hard to do is differentiate between our responses to a successful clean coach and a successful dirty coach. I believe Dantonio is the latter, but I'm willing to bet if he wasn't people around here would find other reasons to hate him.
For my part, I'm talking MSU a lot right now because I am surrounded by MSU fans who don't know the difference between MSU being 8-0 and Michigan being 0-8. The common theme is "Sparty is in the top 5; doesn't that suck for you?" We've got a million Spartans around us trying to rub our faces in their season, because the only win a Spartan understands is one that leaves a Michigan fan crying.
So, yeah, right now I admit I'm kind of in the mood for an easy chance to remind those guys that they're rooting for the Big Ten's bad guys. If it's a symptom of anything, it's probably 60 percent my team is still rebuilding after 3-9 and 5-7 seasons while yours is 8-0 and beat mine 3 times in a row, 30 percent God I hate Spartan fans,* and 10 percent this is important stuff that we should care about.
Is that good enough reason?
* Notable exceptions: you, my wife, current/former Red Wings
I want to get in touch with you.
Do you feel ok swapping emails in the forum?
I see exactly what you're saying. Glad I made your notable exceptions list.
My question to you, and the rest of the GoBlogWorld.
Is there a reason why you always drop the "M" in the name of the blog? Are you pulling a Woody Hayes?
I had no idea you were following my posts in such great stalkerrific detail, Blue....err JMBlue.
Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to de-list myself from Whitepages
That was a starting QB not a CB and it was smoking crack or whatever , it's just kind of fun to pile on.
He wasn't convicted of Driving While Impaired. He pleaded it down to Misdemeanor Reckless Driving. There's a HUGE difference.
That said, I wonder what our collective tone would be if one of our own was in his position?
(Disregarding, of course, the Rather Hall soiree).
"(Disregarding, of course, the Rather Hall soiree)."
Yeah, but the Rather Hall soiree is the point, isn't it?
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln . . .
I didn't know that. I used to do criminal defense in another state. That is a total gift plea reserved for the very well-connected drunk drivers. Prosecutors, for a variety of reasons, don't regularly plead Drunk Driving cases to anything less then the lowest alcohol related driving offense. They are normally adament that the conviction be noted as alcohol related.
Don't have the case jacket to review the facts, but such a deal leads to a reasonable conclusion of favoritism.
Talked to a friend who does the same type of defense work, he is also a Sparty, and
he was very surprised at the ability to plead down. He mentioned that most county prosecutors would never allow a DUI to be reduced .
Also, the kid should be judged by his conduct, not by the skill of his lawyer.
Is the OWI (not DUI as routinely claimed) worse because of a previous violent offense? I am not sure that the rather hall incident speaks to a .10 driving. I am not saying drinking and driving is okay (it is absolutely not and should be punished with 10 days in prison... as it was) and certainly this kid should have toed the line. But let's remember something here. He had just beaten his chief rival, it was his birthday and he went out and had a few drinks. He had a .10 (.02 above the legal limit which we all know is about a half a beer).
Had this been his second alcohol related offense, throw the book at him. But he made two independent mistakes. One was peer pressure (once again, he was 21 at the time) and the other was irresponsibility (on his 22nd birthday... totally unheard of). He should not play this weekend, or even against minnesota. But I don't think this needs to ruin his life. Being away from the team for 4 games (1/3 of his senior season) is painful and 10 days in prison is not easy either.
One one hand, I want them reinstate Rucker and do it loud and proud. Why? I guess Valenti has been saying all day that doing so would wreck the goodness of the best MSU team in his lifetime. If that's so, come on Mark. Reinstate him and bless him 7 times, fer gawds sake.
But, you know what? Sparty is deeper. Deeper than most here want to give them credit for. They dont need this guy. He's been a weakness in the secondary. The Darqueze Dannard kid played well in his absence and they're also getting Isiah Lewis on the field more. Just cut bait Dantonio.
Otherwise, i find obssessive threads like this to be, sadly, definitive proof of where we are in the pecking order right now.
Agreed to an extent, especially with the pecking order comment. I guess I have always taken pride in being a fan and alum of a school that has higher standards though. Have we had troublemakers in the past? Of course we have, but nothing even close to this before and I'd rather go 7-5 every year with high character players than win National Championships on the backs of convicted felons. I mean that from the bottom of my maize and blue heart too.
The whole point is that zero tolerance should be zero tolerance. If he is going to get credit in the media for being a disciplinarian because he declared a "zero tolerance policy" for Rather Hall participants, then he should be taken to task when he deviates from that stated policy. Does the zero tolerance policy only refer to future beatings of women on campus, while turning a blind eye to everything else?
It is hard to get too riled up about kid gloved double standard treatment for a Michigan State coach by MSM. A. It involves coverage by MSM. B. Of a team or university that none of us care much if anything about.
Unreadable media coverage about an unreadable topic.
Dantonio and Michigan State gets treated differently and better by MSM than Rich and Michigan. It won't ever change because the roles have already been cast in the media's production.
for future reference
Dantonio was quoted as saying, “Zero tolerance played into (their dismissal). Given a second opportunity, there’s zero tolerance.”
We find this statement more than a little ironic considering zero tolerance, in our minds, means just that — zero tolerance. There should be no second chances for players who engage in violent behavior, and Winston never should have been let back on the team after his first jail sentence. If there is no policy to prevent something like this from happening in the future, the university needs to create one. Immediately.
After being given a second opportunity, there is a zero tolerance policy; meaning that if there are any issues whatsoever, it's a done deal.
but i want state to lose so bad. ill never be able to speak to another state fan again if they go to the BCS championship game. pleeeeease iowa. pleeeeeeease
If he really said all of those things about second chances and zero tolerance, he should be crushed in the local media for not kicking him off the team.
I didn't realize that this kid was part of the "Geek Attack"....
The Woman reporter should be given credit for asking the question. His response is ridiculous.
It has become comical,the talk of Dantonios dicipline. After last years work release failure (Winston) the gang of 14 beating their way onto the Misdemeanor State wall of fame. Leaving us only to wonder which receiver will follow quicker the path taken by those who have come before. Who do you place your money on. Will it be Dell or Cunningham who are next. The path is before you, Rison, Inghram, Rogers, or Burriss, hurry along while you can still bunk with one of your heros. Sadly that school has never seen a starter they can't work with or seen a backup that can't be made an example of. Keep your head up, be proud of your peeps sparty, winning is everything. 2046
I have exclusive video of Dantonio's first comments to Rucker after he got re-arrested:
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A few years back we had a DL who was on his way to good things with Michigan. He had some incidences of exposing himself (assault). If I am not mistaken he was removed from the team, offered counseling and retained his financial assistence from the university. He chose not to accept either and left the school to a North Carolina school, I believe. This is the way to help the student . If I am wrong about the facts of this I am sorry as it is a sensitive issue but I think Michigan put all students welfare before the teams welfare in this case.
Obviously, these are rumors, but if it does play out like this, what would you think?
There are rumblings that Rucker will not suit up for the Spartans again, but will be allowed to remain with the team.
The idea is that if you screw up, there are consequences, but we won't completely abandon you. He'll get to keep his scholarship and still not severely damage his NFL chances, but he won't be able to help the team on the field.
Fire away if you will, but I'm just interested in your reaction to this possible scenario.
MLive writer Philip Zaroo suggested this very scenario in an article from earlier today. I wonder if that article is the source of the rumors you're talking about.
Would be a pretty good way to handle it. But without going into details, he could have said he won't play Saturday, and his future is to be determined. And left out the taunt at the end. What purpose did that serve? It wasn't even an attacking question. It was just a douche response. That if Rich had said it would have cause 3 columns wondering about his state of mind in tomorrows papers.
they only be doing that because he is a senior and he only has a litte over half a year left of school??? would they be doing this if he was freshman,soph, or JR??? i doubt it... but i guess we'll find out when the dion sims case plays out...
to be more forgiving because his transgressions appear to have occurred during high school, possibly while at MSU (given the fact he was charged in Oakland County, though that might be bc the original thefts occurred there, idk) and thus before, not during like this instance
really this is about Dantonio screwing MSU over by talking with forceful abandon about the integrity his team would maintain by not allowing third chances. if he had just said they'd be disciplined based upon their behavior and dedication to team values and rules, no biggy. but he had to say the second chances... and it is going to bite him in the ass.
didn't coach Dantonio institute a "zero tolerance" policy post Rather Hall? wasn't that clear particularly to those already given a get out of jail free card? how difficult a decision can this be? let the kid keep his scholarship and participate with the scout team but he no longer sees the field. seems fair to me.
All I can think of was the outrage over Demar Dorsey when he said he was coming to Michigan. Before admissions became an issue the media jumped all over this kid who was still under 18 years old. Yet now, MSU gets a free pass on this one. Just not fair. I hope he comes back for Iowa and they still get their asses kicked.