Dantonio Calls State a Destination
I think he would jump to Texas quickly if they came offering $6M-$7M a year. It seems there was a coach that used it as a stop and went on to big things.
When asked about the Texas job:
"I see Michigan State as a destination, not a stop," Dantonio said. "That's how I see it. Flattering, but that's how I see it."
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sbnation/SBNation_20131218_Coach_sh…
December 18th, 2013 at 1:33 PM ^
He says that whenever asked about another school. It's a good way to sound like you're shooting down the rumor without shooting anything down. And the Spartan faithful love him for it.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:38 PM ^
That and his record against Michigan. I asked one of my MSU friends how he felt about the ND game after MSU had won the B1G and he said, "It was Rose Bowl or bust this year. ND is a nice rivalry but those games don't count towards the B1G Championship." To think that they are 5 Pass Interference calls away from playing for a national title sends shivers down my spine.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:35 PM ^
Oh good. Today's "Pro-MSU" thread is finally up. I was getting worried I was going to have to start a thread saying something nice about them and it's just not in me today.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:53 PM ^
I'm also tired of the board paying so much attention to MSU...
December 18th, 2013 at 2:04 PM ^
It's almost like UM has taken on the little brother syndrome.
December 18th, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^
I've said this before, but the two programs have completely reversed roles. M is now the crappy program with no titles in 10 years, more losing seasons than 10 win seasons in 10 years, rarely beating MSU in football, etc etc etc.
we obsess over every public statement they make, they are picking rose pedals out of their mouths. if you've ever wondered what it's like to be a MSU fan, this is it folks.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:39 PM ^
Welcome to my nightmare.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:48 PM ^
Don't forget about the obsession in hoping that either their coordinator or HC will leave so that UM could "stand a chance" apparently. Something I've never seen with any coach other than Tressel by this fan base. I don't think even in the lowest days of Spartanhood in the 80s or 90s or 00s the MSU fan base was openly praying to the football gods for Carr or any UM acolyte to please leave the Michigan staff so MSU could have a real chance in the rivalry. So this is a new low to me.... I dont ever recall hearing people saying "Holtz please go so we can be competitive again with ND!". But its a reflection of our program more than theirs... if both teams were top notch and the series was close (i.e. 3-2 over the last 6 games) you woudnt hear this whining for someone to please take away their coaches. Pretty sad.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:52 PM ^
Michigan will be back and soon. I understand the board frustration with being 1-1 in our last two against Sparty but if you think this is forever you haven't been watching Michigan football the last 30 years. The sky isn't falling and it's up to Hoke et al now to take the talent and win.
The expectation for the position also extends to the program.
December 18th, 2013 at 5:50 PM ^
I'm pretty sure the frustration isn't so much the 1-1 in the last two as it is 1-5 in the last six.
December 18th, 2013 at 6:14 PM ^
We have no conference titles since 2004, MSU and OSU just played in the big ten title game, Sparty is 12-1. How much more has to happen for the sky to fall?
My frustration is not that we're 1-1 vs msu the last two years. My frustration is that they've bullied Michigan up and down the field since 2007 and we didn't even score a touchdown on them last year and still didn't this year. I'm starting to think last year was the outlier and that we're gonna see them keep kicking our ass for the foreseeable future.
December 18th, 2013 at 7:39 PM ^
I imagine we'll know the answer to this next fall when the team (again) travels to East Lansing. I find it somewhat humorous that history extends to 1-5 when you look at the last six but not to 5-5 over the last 10 etc. d
Now, I'll agree that Michigan got bullied this year on the field but here's that bullying that took place with the oft criticized Mealer/Omameh et al. lineup (omg. interior line seniors...) in 2012. My point, sky not falling but I guess we'll truly know in 12 months...
st Downs | 16 | 16 |
3rd down efficiency
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6-17 | 5-15 |
4th down efficiency
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1-1 | 0-0 |
Total Yards | 304 | 326 |
December 18th, 2013 at 3:59 PM ^
Oh shit, it's happening.
December 18th, 2013 at 5:15 PM ^
I've never wanted to know but thanks to serious inomcpetence by people making millions, I get to now.
yeesh.
December 19th, 2013 at 12:09 AM ^
My ex-wife is a spartan alumna and her new fiance is a buckeye. Fuck my life. Enjoy each other.
December 19th, 2013 at 6:59 AM ^
they are headed for a divorce, don't worry.
December 19th, 2013 at 12:59 AM ^
2 losing seasons: 2008, 2009.
3 10 win seasons: 2004, 2006, 2011.
December 18th, 2013 at 2:37 PM ^
This. Who gives a flying shit about this?
It would be relevant, to me at least, if he said something about Michigan. Being this is a Michigan site..
December 18th, 2013 at 2:55 PM ^
Come ON, Devotee. I thought you knew that we prefer to talk about the Spartans and Buckeyes on this blog more than the Wolverines.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
Do you really believe that a discussion about Dantonio staying/leaving State does not directly relate to Michigan football? I hope you can see the connection and thus the reason why its good Board material.
December 18th, 2013 at 5:14 PM ^
I am sick of reading about these pricks on a Michigan site.
Nothing with the post has anything to do with Michigan other than confirming what we already know: dantonio isn't leaving state.
I'm tired of being reminded every time I see one of these threads that they have this and that more than Michigan in the last XYZ amount of years.
Let's worry about us. More problems on the inside to take care of.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^
Narduzzi Narduzzi Narduzzi Narduzzi.
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December 18th, 2013 at 1:35 PM ^
what he says than I say that's terrific. Because once Hoke and the boys turn it around I don't want Spartys excuse when we start beating them consistently to be "Well, coach D left you guys are lucky..".
December 18th, 2013 at 2:12 PM ^
I personally won't care about the why(s) at that point. Soon plz. Was 2000-2007 not fun because Saban left?
December 18th, 2013 at 2:36 PM ^
a good question. I have been awaiting this era and complete dominance for some time now and am getting a little antsy.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:35 PM ^
I'm hating Dantonio less and less because of Urban Meyer.
He may not be a money chaser. Major conference division I coaches are going to make plenty of money and he may feel that he is doing just fine. If all you care about is 1 million, and you make 2 million, you may not care to follow 10 million.
He has embodied what he wants his team to become, and now has embodied what he wants the program to become. This is probably what makes him so good at a place like MSU. He's probably very proud of what he has created, and is old enough and happy enough not to want to move on.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^
He's not happy. Ever.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:36 PM ^
What do you want him to say when asked about a job he's not officially a candidate for?
December 18th, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^
More like completely unqualified.
Don't get me wrong, Dantonio is a good coach in the context he is working within. He is a midwestern coach with zero connections to Texas. He is neither a high level recruiter nor has he appeared (until this year) in a BCS Bowl. His teams have a significant history of discipline problems and he is hardly a marketable hire for a school with its own television network. Mark Dantonio is no upgrade from Mack Brown and Texas administrators know this also.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:36 PM ^
Doesn't hurt anything to say that. Jobs will still come after you if you're good enough, and in the meantime your fans are happy. Seems win/win.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^
Given the trajectory Michigan State is on, he's right. Coaches are going to start wanting to go there over Michigan. You can downvote me if you want, but if things keep heading in this direction, I suspect I will be proven right.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^
That is the trajectory, but there is a big national perception gap between MSU and UofM that won't be closed for a while. UofM will be a more prestigious job for a long time.
December 18th, 2013 at 1:48 PM ^
You may be right, but a Sparty win at the Rose Bowl will go a LONG way toward changing that.
December 18th, 2013 at 2:41 PM ^
This year in Michigan football has made me a realist. I no longer look at everything through maize colored glasses. I think you all need to take a step back and reevaluate your perception of the Michigan football program, vis a vis Michigan State. I hate to admit it as much as all of you, but as long as we remain mediocre, State will overtake us.
I hope I'm proven wrong, I really do. But I haven't seen anything in the last 6-7 years that gives me much hope.
December 18th, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^
Aaaaaaand now everyone who wasn't around a few years ago gets a chance to see the hivemind at work, neggin well-reasoned but unpopular opinions. This is the unfortunate downside to the voting system. Just accept it and I'll upvote all of your stuff so you don't loose too many points.
December 18th, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^
You lose points.
You have loose pants.
You know that, right?
December 18th, 2013 at 4:24 PM ^
I needed that. Was losing confidence that my arguments were well reasoned based on all the downvotes.
December 18th, 2013 at 7:49 PM ^
Explain to me this reasoning.
The prestige of the Michigan brand has been earned over decades of success whereas Sparty has had such a phenomenal run as to even the ten year series. That's it...evened it over ten years. They would still need to win several dozen games consecutively to even the series. That doesn't even speak to the academic prestige (quality scholar athletes actually commit to Michigan because of the academics) variance, facilities variance, etc.
Hivemind doesn't say these things. They exist.
December 18th, 2013 at 8:42 PM ^
How many scholar athletes have we had lately? Haven't we had the lowest graduation rates in the B1G lately?
December 18th, 2013 at 9:20 PM ^
You're borderline trolling here. But why expect anything less than constancy in the negative?
Devin Gardner's in graduate school, right?
Academic All B1G 2012...Courtney Avery, Brennen Beyer, Seth Broekhuizen, Joey Burzynski, Jareth Glanda, Jeremy Jackson, Joe Kerridge, Jordan Kovacs, Mike Kwiatkowski,Desmond Morgan, Patrick Omameh, Joe Reynolds, Craig Roh, Matt Wile,Steve Wilson, Charlie Zeller
December 18th, 2013 at 9:32 PM ^
A lot of people have a hard time grasping reality on here. It's just the truth. I'm done looking at everything through maize and blue glasses after this season. We don't have higher academic standards when it comes to letting guys in here and we're not even close to top in the big ten in academic all big ten guys. Nebraksa has the most by far.
December 19th, 2013 at 9:57 AM ^
You're just spouting negatives without any facts to back it up.
Where does Michigan rank in academic all big ten guys over the last 10 years compare to the rest of the B1G?
At least you can find that out, if you work at it.
What about the average GPA AND the programs the athletes were in in the last 10 years and how does that compare to the rest of Div 1-A schools? If you really want that to be accurate, you really class rank and rank of each academic program. That information isn't even accessible.
So chill out with the factless statements.
December 19th, 2013 at 12:20 PM ^
''They have ways of getting borderline guys in and steer guys into easier majors.''
-Jim Harbaugh
It was true then and it's still true now. I suggest you read this:
December 19th, 2013 at 12:43 AM ^
where perceptions stood during the 14-4-1 stretch (Biggie Munn, Duffy Dougherty) MSU put up during 1950-69. Starting in '70 was the 37-year run that brings us up to the Dantonio era.
M is bigger and better-established overall, so do we look at even a twenty-year stretch as a minor aberance?
In the short term, I begin to wonder if the Bo tradition that fueled 37 years of dominance has soured into an introspective culture that turns cannibalistic when faced with any attempt to infuse the culture with outside influences, perhaps threatening a lengthy ND-style tailspin?
The future will tell. I am willing to look past the last six years if, indeed, a dramatic turnaround is around the corner.
By now, though, the "transition" that began in 2008 has gone on long enough that, before too much longer, it will have to be considered an historical epoch in its own right, perhaps similar in character, although I hope not in duration, to the funk UM fell into from 1951-68 (which had some very good seasons therein, just not that very many of them).
December 18th, 2013 at 3:51 PM ^
Texas v Texas A&M is very similar to Michigan v Michigan State the past half decade.
A&M > MSU in terms of public perception due to SEC and having Manziel but the relationship between the big brother v littlebrother is very similar with the little brother making waves and in more important games of late while many nationally scratch head at what happened to big brother will all the resources, tradition, recruiting stars, etc
December 18th, 2013 at 6:15 PM ^
but there's still a gigantic gap in facilities, cash, prestige, etc. that MSU is not going to close for a long time. Great coaches arrive at schools and make them prominent, but they often fade back to where they were once the era ends. It's often unsustainable in football as the traditional powers always rise again.
Recent powers to gain prominance that are now beginning to fade are teams like Virginia Tech, Boise State, Arkansas, and West Virginia. They experience great success for a while, but it's difficult to maintain that without the top flight recruiting, facilities, and power the traditional powers weild.
MSU certainly has a leg up on Michigan right, but the still have less fans, a much worse stadium, less prestige, etc. than Michigan does. MSU is reigning and will continue to for X years but it's not sustainable for that school. They'll fade sooner or later back into the same sort of mold they've typically had for the last 100 years. Decent, but not great.
December 18th, 2013 at 6:35 PM ^
They're adding on to their stadium this year and will eventually renovate the crap side in a few years.
I'm tired of Michigan fans living in the past and the future, but never the NOW. We can hope all we want about the future, but it doesn't matter at this point.
December 18th, 2013 at 11:07 PM ^
The only way MSU's stadium will compare to Michigan's will be to demolish theirs and start over again. You can only pretty up your old Ford Pinto so much before you just need to get a new car