He does a nice job of twisting the story around and he almost had me convinced. He acts like the players taking money was ok and what got Michigan in trouble was associating themselves with Martin. That's not how it works.
Dan Wetzel says Michigan Owes Chris Webber an Apology
Simple analogy for you. At the home I previously lived at the quickest way from my office to my home was to have to take a four lane road to get to the street I lived on. Right near my house that four lane main road cut the speed limit to 25 mph. It was ridiculous and more often than not there was a cop sitting hidden somewhere in that span who was essentially shooting fish in a barrel. The 25 mph zone was stupid and an obvious speed trap to make the city money. That said, if I wanted to get home the quickest way, I had to take that road and either go fast and run the risk of getting a ticket, or follow the stupid law and drive slow. If I really opposed the stupid speed rule, I could go a different route to get home.
No different for Webber. I don't need to get into an argument over whether or not the fact that he or other premier college athletes get a piece of the action. In many ways I agree. That said, you want to travel that road, you have to follow the rules.
I agree with your general point, but in fact, it seems that route really is not the quickest way (technically)
Great analogy. I try to treat life in general in this way. If you want to break the rules, then be ready to accept the consequences without complaint. If you can't do that, then abide by the rules or change them.
I have a place by me called wetzel's pretzels.
His pattern of twisting things around into new shapes is clearly evident in this article.
Even if you take his points at face value- that the NCAA penalty on the players was too much- how is it that the University owes the apology and not the NCAA?
Then again, I think he makes a fairly one sided argument anyway.
Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.
I'm on the complete opposite side of the Webber debate as you, and I think this article is dumb.
i dont think anybody needs to apologize really. They should just get DB in a room with the fab five, have a big group hug and raise a banner for them. Bring everybody back for the first game i guess (if only the duke game was at crisler). wham bam problem solved
been served by all parties. This is the point where you get to move on with your life, as the punishment--and most punishments--are set up. Instead, for some reason, we are continually asked to re-try the crime(s). I fully expect Brandon and Webber's people to quietly work out some public expressions of regret after which the Fab V once again become part of the M community, which is as it should be. Everything else--at this stage--is hot air.
And--btw--it's quite possible to both feel sorry for Webber and what he went through AS WELL AS to condemn his lying, etcetera. The conversation does not need to be so b & w.
Oh yes the place that gave him a stage to show his talents so down the road he could be selected number 1 in the draft and make millions of dollors over his career and free education should say sorry that Chris made the poor choice to accept money. Makes perfect sense.
The free education alone gets me. Jordan Kovacs owes 100K after paying his own way for 2 years. How valuable is that scholarship really?
Seriously, anyone who saw those articles with catchy headlines like "NFL hopeful is already $100K in debt!" and thought, dang, that's a lot of money, how did that happen? ... is disqualified from ever arguing that student-athletes aren't paid enough.
yeah nobody really thinks that $200,000 for out of state is a lot of money when compared to potential millions a first rounf pick gets but it's a lot of money and being able to graduate college debt free is a big boost. Plus being an athlete at a large school gives a visibility to the individual which allows them to be more marketable and have a base of fans to reach out to. Look at what vincent smith, martavious odoms and scooter vaughn have done with their successful kickstarters. there are benefits that dont translate in to dollars.
Kovacs was on his own dime for two years (and as an out-of-state student no less).
These seems like a devil's advocate argument for arguments sake and I think it will miss with most fans close to this. If you have ever heard Jalen Rose speak about Ed Martin this is tough swallow.
Michigan gave Webber and the Fab 5 etc a free education. I have to pay back $100,000+ in loans and he got a free ride and to be on TV playing basketball so he could show off his talents because of Michigan . He also was the number 1 pick in the NBA draft and made millions of dollars.
I don't feel bad for Michigan or Webber or any athlete who makes Millions of dollars in their life time. It's over and done with and we paid our price for it so kiss and make up and move on.
I don't want to see Webber on the shoulders of his teammates on the Big House field at any point in my lifetime though. That is what Ohio does...
Wetzel = douche. The end.
Why don't you apologize to Webber on behalf of Michigan, and apologize to Michigan on behalf of Webber, and let's move on?
Dan Wetzel says, "If I write this, they will click".
Exactly, the media's goal is not to report the truth, facts, or even the "news". They want page views because page views equal money. Do you think ESPN keeps Stephen A. Smith on because he's a rational, sane human being with intelligent views? No. He gets people riled up and says idiotic things to keep you watching. No one is going to click a news article that says, "New evidence shows that Hitler was a really really bad guy". However, the media would love to write a story, "New evidence shows Hitler wasn't all that bad" because people are going to click on it. For all we know Wetzel knows exactly what he's doing and smiles as millions of Americans get red-in-the-face after reading his stories.
Those players and the program went through a significant penalty, the kind of penalty that you don't really see handed down today. The fact that we made it all the way back says quite a bit about Michigan. I think college athletes should be paid, and with the money the Fab Five players generated, they probably have should have been paid a lot more than what they actually took. People blame Martin and Webber, but no one even looks at Schembechler or Weidenbach, who were the primary ADs during the era (I think Roberson might have came in once it already was known). They were there, around the team, in the locker room, and ignored it. God forbid anyone spread the blame to the two guys with their names on significant athletic buildings. Accountability goes both ways.
by the people in charge of the program at the time. Fisher also should have been more vigilant. So, there's blame on both sides for sure.
I did think the article's example using Alfred Taubman was a valid one. But in that case there was no NCAA equivalent group to tell U-M we had to "disassociate ourselves" with him. So, we didn't.
Bo was the AD from 88-90, not sure how he would receive blame from this. Weidenbach and Roberson covered those years as AD.
probably at the end of the academic year, so Bo wasn't even AD for the entire year of 1988. Then, in early March 1989, Bo fires Frieder, who was coach when Martin first gained access to the Michigan program. It was well-known at the time that Bo had no use for Frieder, so firing him must have been a satisfying decision for Schembechler. Bo was hardly in a good position to fire Fisher after Michigan won the NC in 1989, and then Bo leaves in early 1990 to join the Tigers. So in other words Bo probably didn't have even two full years on the job as AD. I don't think blame should be laid at his feet for this clusterfuck.
The Fab 5, Webber included, made a ton of money for the University. A fact conveniently overlooked by so many people. And I'll bet that there are a few people overlooking it that have made a lot of money themselves with their Michigan degree in hand. Wow.
UM: "Chris, sorry we weren't allowed to talk to you for 10 years."
I think this pretty much captured the absurdity of Wetzel's opinion.
Dan Wetzel owes me an apology for wasting my time.
You're already at 5 votes so I can't do more to honor this post, but +1 to you.
Everyone knew about Ed Martin back in the 80s. Frieder hooked him up with free tix and access to the players in the locker room after games and Fisher didn't stop it when he took charge.
Fish knew Martin was paying for apartments for Bullock and a couple other guys on the team and made sure the money was paid back, but he didn't even tell his bosses about this. That's a blatant ignoring of the rules. While we were stuck dealing with Ellerbee, Fisher was taking SDSU to the tournament.
How about Frieder issue an apology for allowing Martin access to a bunch of players that would flame out in the first weekend of the tournament each year and Fisher apologize for playing the good wholesome coach role, while keeping major violations a secret.
Then follow up with Tom Goss apologizing for giving us a de facto death penalty by hiring Brian Ellerbee.
Because no one is asking for Michigan to take them back.
I'd be down with an apology from Tom Goss though, for a whole bunch of things.
goes off the rails. I understand why Webber took the money. A lot of it came when he was in high school and he was not from a wealthy family. Many kids do the same thing in the same situation, and even though its against the rules, I get it.
I'm also generally in favor of compensating NCAA athletes in some reasonable fashion.
That said, I have a big problem with the way Webber handled this whole mess. His refusal to talk set the investigation, and ultimately the program, back years and only compounded the problem. Had he come clean in the beginning he would have saved the University years of turmoil and himself a perjury conviction. So for that, I absolutely think Webber should appologize.
On the other side of the coin, I don't see what Michigan has to apologize for at all. They did not tell Webber to take the money, they did not tell Webber to lie under oath and cover things up. They did not set up the NCAA's ridiculous rules of "ametuerism."
Just because the NCAA system is outdated and hypocritical does not mean that turns every athlete into a victim and every University into a perpetrator.
"Apparently no one in the NCAA, no one at Michigan saw it for what it also could've been: an old manipulative hustler sweeping up naïve kids before they even knew what hit them"
Ok, so let's assume that's realy what it was...he can still apologize.
"I'm sorry my actions as a naive kid impacted the University of Michigan, causing embarassment to myself, my teammates, alumni and fans."
Boom. Done. I want to see Webber back, but even IF (big if) he's the victim, he could still acknowledge the negative impact his actions had.
That's all..this article makes me stabby.
Here's the part I take issue with:
No one knows for sure, but in the end you have one extremely savvy adult, armed with cash and gifts, with a clear motivation to use these kids. And then you have the kids, in Webber's case just an eighth-grader, in the cross hairs.
That isn't a fair relationship. That isn't a level playing field. This isn't a consensual situation. It's predatory.
A complete revision of history. Webber wasn't alone in accepting the money and gifts. His father, Mayce, was right there with him. Mayce knew who Martin was... knew where the money was coming from... knew that by accepting "loans" from Martin, he was essientially laundering illegal money. Michigan did not facilitate the relationship between Chris Webber and Martin, that was already handled by Mayce. So maybe the actual predator in Chris' case was his own father. Regardless, Chris only has himself and his family to blame for getting involved with Martin. Michigan owes no apology to the Webber's.
Thank you...I was just going to write something similar. Making Webber and his family look like poor victims of the shrewd wolf is a joke.
"I have a long-standing opposition to the NCAA rulebook (which isn't the point of this column) but like the rules or not, there is little doubt they were violated here." - Dan Wetzel, in this column
Clearly he does, as there is 10.1(c) under "Unethical Conduct", which applies to current or prospective student-athletes which reads:
"Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement or extra benefit or improper financial aid;"
There's also Section 16, which explicitly defines the acceptance of extra benefits (outside of certain obscure exceptions, none of which are applicable here) as illicit per the rulebook. For example:
"188.8.131.52 Unitemized Expenses. A student-athlete may not accept money for unspecified or unitemized expenses from any organization or individual."
Does he merely disagree with these sections or is it the existence of rules that bother Wetzel? I sometimes wonder.
the NCAA ALLEDGED Webber took money. This was NEVER proven. Webber admitted he took money AFTER he declared for the NBA.
So we/Webber/UM was penalized because Chris did not go to the Registrar's Office and officially withdrawl from classes before he took the money?
If Chris withdrew and then gave an announcement from the Registrar's Office: "Hey everybody, I just withdrew from UM and I am heading over to Bill Martins Crib to collect me a stack full of 50's so I can go to 8-Mile and get me some Hoes" This would NOT be a violation.
I get so angry when everyone (including people on this board) assume Chris took $280,000. This is bullshit. This was just a charge laid by a ND Grad. Are you kidding me?
I think Dan Wetzel is a fucking idiot.
But to expound on it more than I probably should, he says Chris Webber had no power to fight off big bad Ed Martin....he was just a kid after all. But what about his parents? You can't tell me they didn't at least know about it (if not an active participant). If your 19 year old kid is running around with hundreds of thousands of dollars and you don't notice it, you're just a bad parent.
And the article he links shows Taylor and Bullock actually, you know, showing some remorse, but I don't see him writing an article to have anyone apologize back to them. That was really the more insightful article....that they seem to at least acknowledge they made a mistake; but no one is wearing "Free Lou Bullock" shirts. So it's not really what you did wrong (or how much you took) that matters, it's how good you were.
Well put...and an additional fresh take.
The guy whined throughout his college career (what an awful burden having the fans give a shit about whether or not you return to Michigan) and claimed poverty to justify leaving school early after he had pocketed a ridiculous sum of money and wasn't paying for tuition or basic living expenses.
"But then, I went to lunch the other day with Shonte Peoples from the football team, and we didn't have enough money for the food. We had to, like, take two pops off, and return this fish sandwich, get a three-piece chicken instead of a five- piece. And you can't help but think, 'If we had some money, like the pros, we wouldn't have to go through this.'
Chris Webber is a disingenuous shitbag. No one owes him anything.
You nailed it.
But it was a drumbeat he pounded for YEARS. The WDFN radio interview where he got pissed off. The Nightline interview. If he had never take an dime it was a joke because his parents were making far more than mine, he was getting more from the University, and I could afford a fucking 5 piece chicken nugget. Or take a girl out for pizza, like he always complained. (Like every girl on campus wasn't giving him anything he wanted already). The fact that he was pocketing thousands of dollars with it just makes it worse. How can you be so full of shit and still think your shit doesn't smell?
I'm looking forward to the fact that in well, like a week these types of articles will be gone forever and everyone can look back at this point in time and say "welp, that sure did suck but lets move on. Let's bro-hug it out". <<<----as that is what needs to happen. Enough of the he said, she said. Its done. All penalties are paid in full. Move on.
Yep. Not having to read about this will be a relief. I actually agree that the disassociation penalty was stupid, but there are people all over the place paying for mistakes they made when they were a dumb kid. Even if it was a big, bad adult vs a kid situation, my parents taught me that when an adult comes up and offered me something, to politely so no and get the hell out of there. I know it's apples to oranges, but it he made some bad decisions. Thank goodness it's over.
Wetzel's points are that Michigan and the NCAA handed down harsh penalties on the players to shift focus.
Michigan had a cozy relationship with Martin, giving him free tickets, a hotel room at the final four and other things.
Michigan also hired Martin's good friend, Perry Watson who was also Jalen's high school coach. Michigan conveniently hired him in 1991 the year Jalen started at Michigan.
Disassociating with the players was an unusual step. UMass did not disassociate with Camby. None of the players who took cash at SMU were forced to disassociate with the program. When I tried to research this last night the only cases I found where players were forced to disassociate were the Michigan case and USC with Reggie Bush.
Does Michigan owe an apology? I don't think so, but I do think Wetzel makes some fairly good points.
I think good points were made by Dan. Ultimately it's Michigan's job to protect the student athletes. And it's a great point on how the 10 year ban focused the blame on the players. Who knows whose idea that really was (Michigan or NCAA).
Maybe you should have said "Wetzel's main point." He says a lot more than just the shift of focus to the players. Other parts of the article are almost laughable.
Can both sides just agree to apologize to each other, even if they don't really mean it, and just move on? I'd really like to see all 5 of these guys reunited at a game at Crisler sometime in the near future.
His article just doesn't make sense. He talks about how the fab 5 and Chris Webber's punishment was unjust and says Michigan should be apologizing yet it was the NCAA doling out the sanctions not Michigan.
The dude clearly wanted to write a controversial story for more hits and I guess it worked.
Michigan self-imposed penalties first, including the 10 year disassociation period.
I remembered the penalty coming from the University. A little research and I realize it was the NCAA that added it.
It really doesn't matter what was self-imposed and what wasn't. Self-imposed sanctions are just schools trying to guess what the NCAA will impose and doing it themselves to get it over with. If we hadn't taken away those four scholarships and banned our 2003 team from the postseason, the NCAA would have.
Yahoo should apologize to its readers for clearly using the term 'Expert' too loosely in Dan Wetzel's job title.
How about if no one apologizes for anything and we honor the Fab Five next year and we all move on withour lives?
I titled this 'wow' because...wow.
If Webber deserves an apology then I deserve one from him for breaking my young M fan heart in New Orleans.
Should've titled this 'wah.' And Wetzel should've titled his 'Biggest Bullshit Thesis in Sportswriting.'
I was at the game, row 18, and I am not miffed at Webber for calling the timeout... without him we don't even make it to the game, and second, MICHAEL TALLEY was screaming to call time-out from the bench, and in that moment of being pressed by two guys, it is totally understandable, with no time to think... sure, he shouldve listened to coach during the earlier play stoppage when he said "we have no time outs"... but nonetheless, I not miffed about that, at all, nor should any other Michigan fan.
Yeah, the adult me was kidding.
The 15-year old me is not.
In fact, the 15-year old me is still waiting for a personal phone call from Chris asking me and my family to dinner so he can explain the complexities of the situation and express any sports pain that moment caused.
He would then thank us all for being M fans and take us out for ice cream.
I'm waiting for my ice cream, Chris.
Even the adult me.
Dan W. is clearly misinformed or just trying to stir the pot. I am not a huge DB fan but he and Mary Sue Coleman are right on target. I feel bad for the rest of the fab5 who are good guys, want to do the right things,love UM, but will continue to be held back because of Cweb's HUGE ego. Grow up Chris and get this done!! If not, you are old news, will be forgotten soon, and future UM hoop fans will remember you as much as they do Henry Wilmore nowadays...
Doing so would be tantamount to admitting that his own parents share part of the blame, and I bet that Webber isn't going to do that.
What will his next article be? McGary owes Johnson an apology for his lower half being in the way of Johnson's hand?
so I have a hard time seeing Chris as a victim here. Maybe it was wrong of the University to disassociate and basically make Webber a scapegoat but Webber knew he wasn't supposed to take money and he did. The diassociation is a perhaps a mishandling of Webber's mistake but Webber put himself in that situation as did Bullock and Taylor
The dissociation was because he lied to a grand jury...and surely some from M tried to get him not to I would think.... when it gets to a grand jury, then all the BS must stop. Had he been straight about it, I highly doubt there wouldve been any dissociation with him or Rose.
I don't think that's it. Traylor, Taylor and Bullock did not commit perjury and they were given the same 10-year ban as Webber. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think it was even our call to make.
The dissociation was because he lied to a grand jury...and surely some from M tried to get him not to I would think.... when it gets to a grand jury, then all the BS must stop. Had he been straight about it, I highly doubt there wouldve been any dissociation with him or Rose.
Poor guys. All they got was a remarkable education and a chance for a degree that could open any door in the world. Not to mention all the food and equipment they wanted and throw in god like treatment around campus and the state.
is that no one really seems to care if you're actually sorry or remorseful, everyone just wants to see you in your nicest suit say some BS scripted apology into the camera. It's 100% PR and no one seems to mind much.
Ego gets in the way of too many important things. The sooner we can make this water under the bridge, the sooner it will be. Forgiveness is often rewarded.
Look, I am an avowed Webber fan, have said so many times.
But Webber owes the Univ an apology. Any offense the university did to him was minor in comparison.
They (UM) don't.
If a Dan Wetzel writes a column and no one reads it, will it still be snarky?
Nice try, but Webber knew what he did was against the NCAA rules. Sure, you can argue the relative merit and rights of said rules, but he knew them and broke them. UM suffered, but he went on to a long and fruitful NBA career, and at no point has he seemed troubled by what happened to his alma mater. I have zero sympathy for him.
They do and the rest of the Fab 5 for not protecting them from their racist alums
The racist letters were not from Ohio fans claiming to be Michigan fans?
Plus the handwriting was legible with correct grammar. Tell tale signs that those letters couldn't come from the truck drivers.
... when monkeys fly out of my butt.
So let me get this straight: Wetzel wants Michigan to apologize to Weber for something the NCAA made them do, a situation Ed Martin created, and from which Chris Webber ultimately profited?
Webber was on the dole four or five years before he came to Ann Arbor. I find no moral issue with that choice, as a matter of fact, but that is not something for which Michigan should apologize.
I think it is pretty much fair fucks--nobody should apologize to anyone for anything. Michigan was punished, Webber was punished, for their respective wrongs, which were not transgressions against one another.
So Dan Wetzel doesn't think it's fair that Michigan turned their back on Webber for the damage he did to the University, but going over his column on last season's OSU / Michigan game, he's got nothing but criticism for Ohio welcoming Jim Tressel with open arms.
Are there any journalists out there who have any sense of integrity or is it all just about generating clicks on a website?
The NCAA owes every athlete they have ever expolited an apology, but Michigan does not owe anything to Chris Webber. Webber cost Michigan much more than they ever gained from his two years of majoring in basketball and accepting illegal benefits.
I still feel as I have for over 15 years now: Webber owes Michigan a mea culpa and an apology. Until he shows maturity and contrition, he doesn't belong anywhere near a program that is playing by the rules.
The last thing John Beilein needs is to have one of the cleanest programs in the country sabotaged by the presence of an unrepentant Chris Webber.
The school profitted greatly by the Fab Five's success. They can return whatever tournament money they want because they made so much money in apparel. With no Webber, this team doesn't go to back to back Final Fours and the school doesn't profit as much off of those maize jerseys I still see people in their 20's and 30's wearing.
Webber had nothing to do with the guys who were getting paid in the 80s. He had nothing to do with Traylor, Bullock and Mo Taylor taking money. He also didn't force the school to hire Brian Ellerbee or let their athletic facilities get bypassed by MSU and OSU.
I understand people have tunnel vision when it comes to Webber, but he was just one of many people who comitted errors.
Let's be fair about a couple things. First, talking about guys getting paid in the '80s is hearsay. Bill Frieder may have run a loose ship, but he did not have the kind of cozy relation with Ed Martin that Fisher had. The hiring of his friend Perry Watson seems to have been the point of no return, where Martin went from being a random street agent to a guy connected with our program in particular.
Second, while Webber and the rest didn't cause us to hire Ellerbe, they did set in motion the events that led to Fisher's dismissal. There wasn't much time to hire an outsider and Ellerbe was the only one one staff with no connection to the tainted Fisher regime, so he got the job. It's not like we conducted a nationwide search and concluded he was the guy. Circumstances dictated it.
Also, while we made some nice money during the Fab Five's two years, how much did we make on men's basketball from 1998-2008? How many people bought Michigan jerseys during all those years that we sucked? The guys who took money from Martin bear some responsibility for our horrible decade that followed.
Also, Frieder is the one that let Ed Martin come into the lockerroom after games and hooked him up with tickets. It is proven fact that Ed Martin was involved with the program before Fisher took over.
Fisher set is own firing in motion when he knew that Ed Martin tried to pay for Louis Bullock's apartment and intervened without reporting the violation to his superior (the AD). You can't defend Fisher if he's complicit in the whole thing.
Michigan merchandise did not take a hit due to the scandal. That Nike deal we signed in 1994 was due largely to the Fab Five's success. We were the first Nike school. And Michigan merchandise, including basketball jerseys, have always been some of the best selling merchandise.
That Nike deal we signed in 1994 was due largely to the Fab Five's success.
Not really. That was when everyone was signing university-wide deals with apparel companies. That first Nike deal actually wasn't that lucrative - it paid us about $1 million a year. OSU actually signed a more lucrative deal with Nike not long after.
I think Rumeal has all but admitted he was taking money at the time.
And while there was no one to take over the program for that season but Ellerbee, there was nothing that said we had to keep him after that season. Hiring him was politics, not good basketball.
This will not be a popular opinion so read a your own risk. No one owes anyone an apology. Chris Webber made millions over his career and is still doing very well. He would have made millions weather he went to Michigan or SVSU. You cannot teach what he has. He was an in-state student that went to the University of Michigan for two years. So everyone arguing that he got 100,000 education is very inaccurate. The going rate for in-state student was about $12,000 around that time. So at most, he got 24, lets say 30,000 in tuition. I guarantee that Michigan made more than that after one game. Yes we "took the banners down", but did the University give the money back that they made of jerseys, t-shirts and memorabilia over that time period? How about the money generated off ticket sales? I dont think they did so other than some bad pub, financially they did very well. I attended undergrad right after the fab five (95-99) so I was there with Bullock and Taylor. I was at the party at the Union and saw them right before they left and got into the accident. If you think the Univeristy didn't know some of the kids were getting money then you are terribly mistaken. If they didnt know, then they were turning a blind eye to it. The players would drive around with $40,000 trucks like it was nothing. Most people dont realize that after Taylor crashed the truck, he got another one a could days later. Not just the great ones got cars either. I remember seeing Travis Conlin in a brand new Eddie Bauer Explorer with girls hanging out the sunroof. I knew quite a few football players as well (one of the few perks of being black on campus..lol), they always talked about how they had access to different vehicles when they needed them. This was normal at UM during the to late 90's. Not saying everyone did it, but alot did.
Does anyone ask what Chris actually did with the money? Everyone that knew him including Mitch Albom stated that Chris was practically broke. What happens is when these guys are close to going pro, they would get money from the Ed Martin's and other agents and they would live like rock stars the last semester on Campus. I remember Braylon Edwards drove a Bentley his last semester!
I am by no means saying that Chris Webber is an angel. What he did was against the rules, and he should be held accountable for his actions, but the University of Michigan by no means is clean either. We all like to put Michigan on a pedestal because we got a very good education there and feel that M can do no wrong. But our Athletic Department like other athletic departments are in the business to make money and fill the arenas. There is nothing wrong with that but we have to be honest. These guys sold ticket..period! I guarantee had Taylor not gotten into the accident, the same practices would still be in place.
People that are upset because he got a free education and you are in dept lets get real. Let me know when people start paying 100.00 a ticket to watch you perform an experiment or do a presentation. There is a reason why there are no minor leagues for Football and Basketball. If they want to get rid of the corruption, allow players to go straight from highschool into the minor leagues like they are allowed to in baseball.
How was Drew Henson able to get millions for playing for the Yankees and still be a quarterback at Michigan?
Fact: The Athletic Department pays out-of-state tuition for every student-athlete, no matter where their permanent residence is.
concerning the whole Fab Five/Fisher era. Well said my man...well said. There are a whole lot of us "MGoblog Users" that either have their heads in the clouds or are just plain ol ignorant to the fact that back in those days, to be a good program the vast majority (Michigan included) felt they had to get their hands dirty.
Me being from Birmingham Alabama, we all saw the exact same thing from the stars of Bama and Auburn football. Athletic Leadership absolutely HAS to know when these things go on. Hell, I even had family members and friends from Detroit and A2 to tell me the same stories you just wrote about concerning UM football and basketball players.
Our beloved University is not perfect. Get over it people!!!!!!!
And Albom was just repeating what Webber told him. If he never took a dime from Martin he still shouldn't have been broke. His parents were doing ok.
And I can't say anything about nameless accusations, but I'm pretty sure Braylon got his Bentley after going pro. Yes, he was still on campus. But you get an awfully good line of credit when you're a projected first round pick. Because I remember when it pulled into town with it. His last semester (which, even if he had been given it, being it was after he was done playing football here, people could give him anything anyway and it not be a violation).
Re-read his comments and try not to focus on the good not just great names in his comment. All of the big players seem to benefit in some kind of NCAA "violation type" manner...
At the very least, Michigan owes Chris Webber a couple pieces of chicken and a soda.
the silliness of the premise of the article aside, the Taubman reference is disturbingly true. As Ken (Enron) Skilling is proving at this very moment, money can apparently cure many venal if not mortal sins.
I wasn't alive for the Fab Five, so I do not have their obsession. I want to like Chris Webber, but Michigan just shouldn't associate with him. What he did to the university was disgraceful and caused Michigan's only real scandal. I just can't forgive him.