Who were you before you got banned?
fair point that
Who were you before you got banned?
In that case, nothing more need be said, Ace.
This is the essence of what those of us who defend Borges keep trying to say, but the FIRE BORGES crowd refuses to acknowledge. No offensive coach in the history of the sport can call plays that will succeed with this kind of line play. If you want to fire him and Funk because they have done a terrible job of developing linemen or because he can't coach Devin into making decisions, that is fair. But to say that the problem is OMG PLAY CALLING makes me wonder if there are more than ten people on this board who even played in high school.
get out or pay your ticket $ and just shut up. that is total BS! i choose to where i want to live and pay tax $ accordingly. so if i don't like what the local gov't (or school system) is doing i should just pack up and leave or just continue to pay my tax $ and shut up? i like this community and want it better. i will be damned if i'm going to just sit here and take this BS!!!
Except those things aren't really analogous at all...
So has Funk. This, like Penn State, was a game Michigan should have won. And like PSU, the defense gave up a late touchdown after the offense could not salt it away. Three times UM had it at the NEB's 40 and they got a grand total of three points. That's the difference between a blowout win and crushing defeat.
Al Borges is the worst playcallier I have ever seen. Well, except for Ken Karcher.(EMU OC before Parrish took over) He worse than anyone I have seen the Lions field and he is every bit as bad as Dan Roushar. The man needs to go.
troubling is our offense's inability to handle blitzes. Plays are run into them, OL and RBs can't pick them up, and DG holds the ball way too long.
Defense is easy if you can send 5 or 6 guys every play.
He has limited mobility and blocking strength (relatively easy to diagnose), but he might be much better at line calls (hard to diagnose). DG might also be more comfortable with him and thus focus better on his own responsibilities.
are you willing to trade a bad snap or two per game for better blocking? i am. but the question is whether miller is a better blocker than the two replacement guards. i'm not sure about that either.
But I too am done with this offensive coaching staff. I thought the defense played really well yesterday. Although they gave up some points, they also made some nice plays given the debacle on the other side of the ball. The offense is pathetic. Watching Gardner get sacked over and over again is so frustrating! They have no ability to adjust the game plan at half time. I think Borges/Hoke think that the plan is good and the players just can't excecute it. I beg to differ. A good plan of attack does not involve two games in a row with negative rushing yards. I hope that this year doesn't destroy our incoming recruiting class, because it's hard to watch right now. UUUUUGGGGGHHHH. I think we end up 6-6 this year. I am going to the OSU game after thanksgiving, and even though it will be my third UM vs OSU game, I'm not really looking forward to getting stomped by 70. It's gonna be ugly. Hoke and staff are the opposite of RR - defense but no offense. We need a staff that can coach all phases of the game.
Hoke has to let Borges go. If I'm DB and Hoke is not coming to this conclusion on his own, then I've got to seriously question his competency. Regardless of whose call it is, I think that call is made - I just wish they'd do it now. You gotta send a message that this is not acceptable, we recognize the problem, and are acting upon it. Consider - strongly - how the handling of this problem is perceived by our current commits/leans - quick, decisive corrective action, or a bumbling stumbling through the rest of the year.
Hoke is a delegator, and has his strengths. I'd see how things go next year with a new OC, whom I would let have some degree of input, if not final say, on his staff. While the jury's still out on Funk, I think this thread reinforces the sentiment that it's tough to block against an oft-stacked front that knows what's coming,
To keep Borges is to believe he has the potential to reverse his ineptitude. If he does, and he hasn't...enough said. For the rest of the year, anybody on that staff (including GAs) would be no less imaginative a play-caller, and I don't think his QB coaching would be missed. I would put more trust in a random play-call generator (weighted slightly toward passing) - I couldn't be more serious.
MSU made similar comments last week. Ohio did the same last year.
Without Denard's improvisation, every defense knows exactly what's coming.
I'm sure the boys will have a great week of practice per Hoke before they turd it up next week in Evanston.
We're pretty much No. 1 in the country if you only count practice. We always bring our A game. According to Hoke, we're undefeated Monday through Friday.
A drunk guy on Viagra in Haiti could make better decisions than Borges.
Borges kept the lid on Denard a lot in 2011 and 2012, but it worked as Denard still improvised when the play broke down or Denard wanted to run something else (witness Air Force game).
We got lucky last year when Devin took over as D Coordinators didn't know what to expect, especially when Denard came back at RB.
Devin is obviously not comfortable in the pocket, sooooo let him through from the pocket.
This can't be fixed (Sadly) till off-season.
and tossing out thinly-veiled racism has indeed been your MO. Can't wait until you actually slip and get banned.
Not saying I agree with because I think it's mostly on the play calling, but you are an ass if you think what he said is racist
In the open threads, he made a bunch of comments about putting in a "cerebral" QB in Morris. He's also been on a BLAME GARDNER streak for quite some time and exonerated the coaches. I'll leave it up to you to draw conclusions.
Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can conclude that Morris is "cerebral" yet. We haven't even seen him play.. I have no idea at all if he's smart or not.
Devin is hesitant, that means the above poster is racist? You're an ass.
Put me squarely in the 'Devin is hesitant' column too, but I think it's because of the INTs earlier in the year. Also, the horrible blocking has him concerned about the rush, therefore hard to focus downfield. Some QBs handle pressure better than others, but I've never noticed any connection to ethnicity.
I like Devin, but he does seem hesitant. I put it equally on Borges though, b/c we don't seem to have a good system for making pre-snap adjustments.
I'm having a hard time deciding if that's an intentional straw man or a sign of illiteracy. Words of that nature have never been posted under my moniker. If OldSchool had merely said "Devin is hesitant," i wouldn't have a problem. I elaborated and you can go back in the open threads to find the "cerebral" comments. I can't even find the words to describe the inanity of your first sentence.
I have no idea who OldSchool is. I've never seen a post before. But, I can tell you that there is not a thing racist about his post, even if he's a KKK member at home. Gardner was pretty bad yesterday. I like him. I've supported him all year. But I also said at one point that if he contiued to watch the pass rush instead of keeping his eyes downfield, something had to change. To his credit, the next series he did look downfield, stepped up into the pocket and through the ball on targe. Unfortunately that didn't continue.
Just. So. Inconsistent. The whole team. It's depressing, as we should have won this game (and PSU for that matter).
I wonder if the mad magician teams of the late 40s had the same problem.
I expect every team Michigan plays from here on out will blitz on most downs.
I don't think this is just on the interior O-line at this point. I'm no expert, but it seems the style of offense Hoke and Borges want to use depends a lot on TE play, and while we have some great, young athletes playing TE who can run and catch the ball, we don't have TEs who can block effectively.
Borges is like the kid who feels compelled to put an X in the center square to start a game of Tic Tac Toe though that never leads to a win. Opposing DCs get to take a break from the stressful chess matches they play all season long and play a game if Tic Tac Toe against an inept opponent for one game each year.
I've been thinking about this... How does the offense move the ball against the defense in practice? Isn't Mattison taking notes and blitzing the offense every time?
Unfortunately, Heiko asked this question this past week to Mattison. Basically, do you let the offensive coaches know that your play calling is predictable and easy to defend for us. Mattison said that he has his own issues on defense to focus on and can't spend time making suggestions to the offensive staff. Many posters seem to think this is normal and coaches are generally territorial so I'm not sure Borges would take kindly to Mattison calling him out.
This is just a shit show that needs to be corrected in the off season. I really hope Beilein has coffee with Hoke and just has an informal conversation about his experiences. Don't make any suggestions but just show what you've been through and how it might be applicable to your situation. Of course, if Hoke truly believes everything is all fine and good as he seems to in his press conferences then we are truly boned.
We will know in a few weeks and months what Hoke intends to do and if he wants to course correct even a little to set this program back in a good direction.
And last night watching the LSU-Alabama game I heard about all of Alabama's tendencies...it's not about play calling, it's about executing (Saban said it himself after the game) and talent.
That's great and all, but there aren't enough first round NFL draft picks to fill every college lineup - so until then, it is about play calling for the mortal teams out there.
When you cheat and have better talent than everyone, you can pretty much do whatever you want.
Also, execution is on the coaches as well. You don't get to just blame the players whenever it's convenient.
Everyone says it is execution. There is too much video of every team and even the lower tier teams employ extensive video review to gain an eadvantage, e.g. Akron and Connecticut. It is pretty obvious that UM has massive tendencies that are taken advantage of by opponents. If I am an opponent and I hewar about these tendencies that is the focus of my prep. As bad as Akron is and they were able to consistently crush all rushing attempts. If I am on the O-Line and the D-Line knows what play is coming, I have to be exceptionally skilled to avoid a negative play. It was obvious then and we blamed it on the inexperienced line and that was PART of the problem. This can only be blamed on the arrogance/insanity of the staff as we all know the meaning of that.
When have we been able to surprise a team with an alignment? Are we saving it for the bowl game?
After attending the game yesterday I can honestly say that the effort and atmosphere did not represent that of the other 15 or so games I have attended in my life.
Offensive play calling is atrocious. I myself am a offensive coordinator at a local hs and I honestly struggle at time to find rumor and reason to the gameplay. Al's first season here i praised the man for being able to adjust his offense to our strengths. Now I can't help but shake my head as we run an ISO Behind our left guard on 2nd and 13 when we already had -23 yards rushing (yes I know most were from sacks and a bad snap)
The interior o-line is not good. However, I did not think blocking up front was atrocious. Guards are slow to pull and there is absolutely no push. This aspect will improve with experience.
Running back blocking is a serious area of concern. Idk why we seemingly give old Fred a free pass. I haven't seen a back consistently block here since Brandon Minor. We look timid, slow, and outmanned at the point of attack. I can see it from Green because he is a freshman. Fitz is just not everything we hoped he would be. Not fast enough for his size, no longer shifty (probably due to injury) and not physical enough to block defensive ends our lbs... Since we don't run anyway we mine as well default to green.
DG needs to raise up out of this slump and produce. He has the physical tools but when the going gets rough it's like e forgets all his footwork. His progression is becoming slower and it appears as though he makes his decision pre-snap at times. Do we have a QB coach? I know out of hs he was very raw (Inkster taught him next to nothing about the position) but with consistency comes success. Compile DG's inconsistency with the o-lines problems and you have a serious issue in the passing game. Bottom line, the man looks gun shy. Almost can't blame him after all the sacks.
The receiving core really seems limited by scheme. This offense asks receivers to do a lot of things by themselves to get open and make plays. Al's 'stack' formations are his attempt to hide our lack if size and isolate our larger receiver (funchess). There is usually a check down, but it is rarely a route that will get us anything. Yesterday, DG simply held the ball too long. There were times were guys were open and he just could not find them. We should have been able to take advantage when Nebraska went cover 0, but we did not (with the exception of our one huge mismatch in funchess) gallon played solid, devin simply could not find him.
I would like to continue to incorporate the te, especially butt, into the offense more. Easier pass for devin and the kid makes plays. However, blocking needs to improve significantly at this position in the near future.
We need a true center as well as a true punter (if in fact will is or is not returning). These two positions have been underachieving IMO. I know some will argue with me about Wile, but the guy is bit a punter and you an see that from his inconsistency.
I am not one to normally pass judgement on coaches but IMO funk, Borges, and even Fred have to seriously be evaluated after the season. These areas have become a serious are of concern and I do not see improvement over the course if the season. We can blame the 'stars' all we want, but I believe this team has some talent that is seriously underutilized in this very limited offensive scheme Borges has marched out the last month and a half.
Signed, a fan that sees potential but believed changes need to come quickly.
Vincent Smith mauled guys on blitz pick-ups. You better check yourself.
Most of this has been covered already, but this isn't bad input.
Al Borges is the QB coach as well as the OC. I'm not sure which job he's worse at.
Jack Miller is a true center. Patrick Kugler is a true center. We'll be okay in the future.
I don't get the Wile hate. He had a couple of shanks earlier in the season, but he's been more than solid during Big Ten season. I have no complaints.
...also Kugler and Borges. I hate the thought of more change and so soon, but Hoke would be wise to unhitch his wagon from a couple of coaches at year end. If he doesn't, he will be gone as well.
I really like Hoke and hope he figures it out.
Not new at all. And yes I have seen some of this covered. Just an observation. The last few weeks I have been too frustrated to post. Just tough to watch. I hear people sitting next to me screaming 'put in Shane' and begin thinking that fans here really are that dumb. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I believe most would agree that that move would be dumb. Instead of putting in the unproven freshman QB who struggles with decisions himself and is not accurate on the run, can we just try plays that utilize Devin's unique abilities and stop with the ISO to set up the most predictable play action ever. Pay action tends to not work when your rushing yards are in the negative.
The run blocking was atrocious. No way around that. I'm not sure why you would say otherwise (if that's what you intended). i was not critical of DG after MSU. I was yesterday. Too many times he had receivers open, and refused to let the ball go. Hence Brady's comment about throwing the ball. He didnt' say throw better, he said throw. In my opinion, as inept as the run game was, we still should have won the game. I was beside myself on the last 3rd down play, where NE DB gave Gallon a 10 yard cusion on 3rd and 5, was wide open through the route, and DG didn't release the ball. Instead, he reverse field, trying to use his athleticsm, was tackled for a yard loss That play was the day in a microcasm!
I saw some play-calling progress. We threw to our FB twice yesterday. Twice. Two times. So take that opposing defenses who thought we were going to run just because our FB was on the field. Progress, I say.
/trying to find silver linings
And they both went for decent gains. So much for doing what works...
and didn't work the second, which seemed like it was run only a few plays later out of the same look. But at least it was new.
The second time Kerridge got submarined for a loss of 1, I believe.
What will lead to some changes? A 6-6 finish? (very possible IMO) Urban and the boys hanging "half-a-hundred" in a few weeks? I'm honestly curious... up until yesterday, I agreed with Brian's stance that nothing would change, but now...
Half-a-hundred will happen in the 1st half with our field position.