That was pretty obvious from them consistently blitzing two guys right at the hole we wanted to run in.
ohio state blogs will post literally anything
That was pretty obvious from them consistently blitzing two guys right at the hole we wanted to run in.
Exactly! Ths is not news to us.
Next your going to tell me water is wet? Joking of course, but this isn't a real new devolpment, I watch the game every weekend with my wife who knows next to nothing about football, beyond the very basics. She is however very good at picking up on tendencies and patterns. During the Akron game she began telling me if it was a run or pass and she was right about 90% of the time. If a person who knows nothing about football can be that accurate, is there any question that a trained professional didn't figure it out.
Yes but up until yesterday there was still a significant group defending Borges on this board. I don't see what happened yesterday that hasn't been happening all year that has suddenly changed so many people's minds. I even was accused of being narrow minded for bringing up this same idea a few days ago. Some people just think that by going against the crowd they are somehow more intelligent than the crowd. In this situation it is safest to just stick with the obvious answer, which was apparently confirmed yesterday.
A matter of degree. Nebraska stinks man. I think most people secretly expected us to kick their ass. I actually expected a comfortable win. For it to be so painfully clear that Borges simply has no other gear was a pretty nasty wake up call for some people. His "scheme" has no chance, these players are beat before the snap. It has moved beyond troubling and is now clearly job loss worthy and I think yesterday was just real eye opener.
Anyone that defends Borges, is a moron and if they think they are more intelligent than the rest of the board, they are complete dumbasses.
What has changed so many people's minds?
Flukes versus trends. You have negative yardage against one of the nation's top defenses? Sucks but understandable.
You do it AGAIN at home against a crappy defense? Now it's a trend. And it causes everyone to reevaluate retrospectively all the other struggles in the context of a team that's trending historically badly downward. People change their minds fast.
The house of cards falls.
The emperor has no clothes.
Every week I flip-flop about whether or not I think bad offensive coaching/play-calling is our problem. Last night it was certainly horrible.
It's bad when Joe Schmo (me) on the couch can tell my wife what play Michigan is going to run on 1st down 90% of the time (literally 4 out of 5 plays I called exactly). That's bad.
It's not hard to gameplan against Al Borges. Everyone has 2 years worth of tape which I'm sure they found tiring to sit through.
watching the 2013 Michigan offense earned their pay last week. After the first two series I switched over to the IU game, as I don't get paid to watch horrid playcalling.
I will just leave my signature here.
I mean, you have to try really hard to be that pathetically inept. It is quite clear that the players are not to blame.
Don't forget Funk and ole Fred Jackson
I place the blame first at the fundemental level...the O-line coach is responsible for the worst O-Line in Michigan history, even with NFL prospects Lewan and Schofield on the field.
I usually don't like to call out play-calling, because if you recruit and develop the talent (see above), then the play-calling will have a secondary effect. See the Les Miles School of Clock Management. He's still in the NC conversation nearly every year.
But at some point, Borges needs to recognize the pathetic level of play of his O-Line and stop calling down-wasters so often.
Sagarin team ratings
Lucidity. What a concept.
we are still ranked above Norhtwestern. That may change in a week. Look how much Staee has improved in those years
Fred retires and thats the only change that happens? Fans are craving a sacrifice. Also how bad are we missing Montgomery now?
I just don't see Hoke making any moves unless he is forced to by circumstances and I'm not even sure a losing season this year does it
It probably doesn't help that certain M players cheat in their stances, tipping a run or pass. Watch the tight ends...
Why were you defending him in the first place? All the evidence has been there the last two years. He hasn't changed one bit.
it's the same people that allow throwing good money after bad in the private equity world. they hate to see that they may have made a bad choice and want to keep proving that the initial decision was a correct one.
and fans in the RR days and in the Carr days.
Is not getting fired. They are not going to start playing coaching musical chairs. What is the only thing worse than michigan right now? Notre dame for the last 20 years. Hoke will have a lot longer than this to correct course. Borges on the other hand may be fired today.
on our 20 years.....
2004 started a run of 7 straight losses to OSU. We lost 6 games in 2005 and 2007 brought us the horror. 2006 was a mirage and even then we lost our 2 biggest games. This program has been on the decline for a decade already.
The 2004 team won the Big Ten title while starting a freshman QB. We were literally an inch away from blocking Texas's FG and winning the Rose Bowl. I don't think you can call that year a failure, even if we lost in Columbus.
2006 won 11 games, most of them by blowout margins. There is no reason to call it a "mirage." We lost by three in Columbus and played a bad second half in Pasadena, but it was still a good season.
2007 is a fairer year to begin the decline.
This seems to point out a couple of things:
1. vanilla play calling with a lack of creativity and complexity.
2. an inability by the coaching staff to make adjustments.
3. Until the team, and Gardner, can prove they can beat the blitz, it's coming every time.
Clearly Hoke isn't a football mastermind. As a former line coach, it's uncertain how well he understands the Xs and Os beyond blocking schemes. So, if Borges can't carry his fair share in this regard, we're sunk. Additionally, you'd think the coaches would recognize this and try and play call to Gardner's strengths, so they can build his confidence.
What strengths does Gardner have? If I was the OC I would let Shane play and move Gardner to WR
Well, it's a good thing you're not the OC.
You like Borges? I am not saying that Morris should play, but typically you just shoot down other people and scoot. And TTB, while good reading, rarely gives any info on how you feel about the course of the team. Do you think Borges is solid. What are your thoughts on how poorly the offense is performing?
Starting a true freshman over a RS JR, when that true freshamn has not shown -- in practice or in limited game time -- anything in terms of his QB performance is crazy. Gardner is playing erratically, but he has saved our bacon more than once this year. Without him at QB, with this porous OL, do you somehow think a freshman with less escapability would do better?
So Magnus doesn't have to detailed response to posts that are 97.1/sports radio call-in level in terms of their reality.
Not defending Borges but if you think devin has done us any favors the last two weeks you have not been watching close enough. Gardner cannot read defenses. I actually kind of feel bad for him because I think he is being asked to do something he can't do. Yes, I think it may be time to see if somebody else can. There are plays that he is holding the ball preposterously long even when protection is initially solid. I'm sorry but I don't think he gets a free pass because he beat Minnesota last year.
If the QB can't read defenses (most college QBs cannot do that well) then why not send in an audible from the sidelines after the D is set up? Another MGoBeef that I'm sure will be repeated many times this week from Master Brian.
they no-huddled all game and got audibles from the sideline...with half their team being backups. not saying Neb had a great offensive day, but it was better than ours with much less talent.
In most of the Notre Dame game, Devin was spot on with his throws against the blitz. I remember how he stood in the pocket, tall and still as a statue, and gunned it to a short route. Why can't he do it now? He has the talent; Devin showed us early in the year. However, I think because Borges does not understand that short routes are all we can play to keep Devin from being led to the torture chamber, Devin is playing afraid.
Long-developing play actions + nonfunctioning running game = Bad Devin. Short drop backs + quick passes = Good Devin. Those hits add up; the less Devin gets hit, the better he will play.
is also like a boxer. early in the year, he was fresh and confident. now, he has been gut-punched so much that his hands are now coming down before the opponent even throws their punch...he's been hit so much now, he probably assumes he's going to get whacked before the snap. that has to affect anyone's play. he's human.
So much this.
You hear it from the broadcasters every week but QB pressures, rushes, and sacks take their toll. Devin Gardner has been sacked at least 13 times in the past two weeks. That is abysmal. It takes its toll on him. Yes he made some bad decisions but if Borges would call plays that take less time to develop it could bring back "Good Gardner". That's the thing I don't think he has gone away just his confidence. This stems from the putrid play calling we are witnessing.
We heard great things about Gardner all summer from that QB expert, George Whitfield, that ESPN keeps bringing in to talk about all the other great QBs. Devin Gardner has the ability to be one of them but because Borges is calling plays that seem predicated on us having an Alabama O Line, runs up the middle and long developing routes, he seems worse. This is tragic.
Dave Brandon - Please get us some good offensive coaches.
Gardner almost single handedly beat ND -- our only victory worth a darn -- this year, so not sure why you're bringing up Minn.
Second, the question is whether a true freshman is better than Devin right now, not if Devin needs to do better/improve (which he obviously could). If you think a true freshman, who missed significant time his senior year of HS and hasn't played hardly at all this year, would be a whiz at reading defenses behind a record-level porous OL (or even better than Devin), you're delusional.
Here are my thoughts:
your paragraph on playcalling is what i've been screaming all year with DG. face it, we are NW or Purdue from 10+ yrs ago. we get dominated at the line. so spread the damn field and hit quick passes. but the borges apologists said i was a fool and that manball will eventually work with this clown calling the plays.
"However, the final straw for me was in the fourth quarter when Nebraska lined up defensive end Randy Gregory at inside linebacker over right guard Erik Magnuson. Michigan slid the protection left, matching up right tackle Michael Schofield on Gregory. Schofield promptly made about a 3% effort to pick him up, allowing Gregory to have a 6-yard running start on an overmatched Fitzgerald Toussaint. Sack."
I vividly remember watching this play from in the stadium, seeing Schofield do nothing and just, sack. I remember thinking that if I had to pick one play that would sum up the team's struggles this year, that would be it.
Wow after all the crap that happened you go after Glasgow. If I was going to single out players he would be way down the list.
Why wouldn't I go after Glasgow? He has bad snaps every week, and the timing of his snaps messes up the under-center run game (which doesn't need any additional flaws). Give me one good reason that he shouldn't be under the microscope a little bit.
There is more, but you kept it succinct.
This should be required reading. Thank you so much.
Are you even a coach? And yeah I'd play for the future so what?
Yes, I am. And you would be wrong if you threw Morris in there. Sorry but true.
FWIW, the scouts loved him during the summer. I wasn't nearly as convinced as others that last season's 5 game performance portended great things for him, but then he did the summer coaching/clinic tour and everyone raved. Maybe it was that he was away from Borges for that time period. Who knows. But what I do know is that Gardner has QB ability. Bringing in a freshman of questionable ability isn't going to solve anything. Not with this line and this offensive coaching staff.
view, we just got beat by a freshman QB and an extremely chubby walk-on Senior QB. Agree though. This is 75% coaching / playcalling and 25% crappy/young line play. The low hanging fruit for improvement lies with the coaches. They are either too proud, to ignorate or too stupid to see that is the case. Any one of these three reasons, and you shouldn't be a major D1 football coach.
of teams, players and coaches that with the ods/numbers whatever against them that have bwetter success and make better adjustments.
I think Borges is who has also lost confidence and regressed.
With this offensive line, blaming Devin is straight up laughable.
I just wouldn't want to subject Shane to that horror this early in his career. It would probably ruin his psyche.
That would be a rerun - I think we saw that movie last year.
It didn't turn out well.
you keep fihting the good fight bud.
You are dumber than Borges.
That's being kind.
If Hoke isn't that smart then this raises a problem that many of the "fire Borges" crowd ignore: what makes you think Hoke has the ability to pick a better OC?
The mark of a truly top-level head coach is the ability to identify, hire, and retain top-level assistants. Rich Rodriguez is a good offensive coach, but hiring Greg Robinson was an indication that he had some serious blind spots when it came to defensive assistants.
If even lousy defensive teams can shut us down, you know we must be telegraphing most of our plays. Combine that with a terrible offensive line, and yesterday is what you get. I've really been trying to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt up until yesterday. But its crystal clear now that this is a poorly coached AND led offense. Hoke will need to make some serious changes during the offseason.
I'm not going to defend the play calling, but I will say that almost every team has "tendencies." Just because Michigan has tendencies doesn't mean the OC needs to be fired.
Really? Wow. I guess I didn't know that. I thought we had 200 yards last night.
I agree that all teams have tendencies. Is it as easy to read all teams as it is ours though?. I actually have a much easier time guessing what the Lions are doing based on formation then what UM is., but I am just a fan. Plus most of the time Borges does run when no logical person would run...so my heart may be interfering with my brain here.
So what do you think is the problem?
Line blocking is terrible for our run game.
Fitz can't block.
Devin has lost a step or two and often holds onto the ball way too long. Yesterday, it seemed like there were several plays where he had adequate protection but he held onto the ball way too long.
We barely beat Akron and UConn.
I think you've pretty much answered your own question.
That is not enough alone, but adaptation is required. Things change quickly and if you don't adapt quickly you are getting left behind. Personally i think the game has passed Borges. He is a dreamer.
Imagine all the touchdowns and vic-tor-eees!
Tendencies are one thing. Out and out tipping the play call is quite another. And based on formations and subtitution patterns we all but call out "hey other team....the play is going to be a run now and we're going to run it right over there" to the defense.
We keep playing poker with marked cards and wonder why we keep losing hands.
I'm sure it was for my wife - she drove. The capper for me was listening to the post-game presser and hearing Hoke say he saw nothing wrong in the play calling. That was my signal to start drinking heavily as I knew that we are fucking doomed. Not only is Borges an absolute idiot - his boss think's he's brilliant so we're doubly screwed.
I was really, REALLY hoping that Hoke (who I like) would see what every other living human who watches football even causally can see but I guess not. It's Borges till Hoke is gone it seems and that made me very, very sad.
We are going to have to see. I just don't think Hoke is going to fire people mid-season and at this point why would we it is almost over anyway. Let's finish out the season and maybe pull in another victory or two (although at this point doubtful) and then see what Hoke does. It is abundantly clear there is something rotten within the offensive coaching ranks and if Hoke does nothing then it will be quite sad.
MANBALL doesn't require fakery and shenanigans. You call your shot, tell the D where you are running and run it rght at them. That is what MEN do. It is simliar to WWI trench warfare where MEN ran right at machine guns because they were MEN.
That's right. We need our guys to SACK UP AND GIVE 120%.
Magnus, do you see the play tipping? I am skeptical of all of the experts on this blog who can tell every play before it is run, but when an opposing player says it, I take that much more seriously.
I see the younger guys rocking back in their stances a little bit on pass plays, but the bigger thing I see is just the predictability by down and formation. Borges tries to run the ball on early downs, gets behind the chains, and then calls a dropback pass. The creativity on early downs is very poor.
"tendencies"? What the fuck does that even mean? And how can a team's "tendencies" be separated from its coaches? They cannot. And part of coaching is correcting bad tendencies. Just like any leader of men.
Too the point where the def. is beating the offence to the point of attack? It's like sharks with blood in the watwer.
There's a difference between tendencies and execution. That's where people are having an issue separating these things.
Yes, you have to break tendencies to keep a defense off balance, but then you never establish your strengths. If Gardner is good at throwing the deep ball, then you don't want to limit him to short passes. If Green is a great inside runner, you don't want to limit him to sweeps and zone stretches just to break tendency. You still have to let Gardner throw deep and let Green run inside. It's a chess match between OC and the opponent's DC to keep them off balance.
As I said above, I'm not defending Borges's play calling. Obviously, he was bested by Pat Narduzzi and somewhat by John Papuchis (although I think the Nebraska game was more about poor execution by Michigan). What I am saying is that every offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator has tendencies based on strengths, weaknesses, downs, distances, etc.
"I found out that if you are going to win games, you had better be ready to adapt."
- Scotty Bowman
how many football games did he win?
The school deserves better. The players deserve better. The fans deserve better.
This could answer the question: Why was our offense good in the first two games and then struggled greatly since? (with the exception of Indiana). Teams know what we are running - to use baseball parlance we are tipping our pitches. This combined with our lack of a counter or deception (as Brian pointed out many times) coupled with inexperience on the interior of the OL line and we have what we have and that is an offense that can be stopped by even the worst defenses in college football.
Go up next year. Or will they? I feel like DB stole $95 from me yesterday not including PSD that I found waiting for me at home after watching another disaster. Ohio game will be another embarrassment. Can't wait.
Maybe you guys should just not go to the games then? I'm serious. If you constantly feel like you're getting ripped off, win or lose, then why keep going? That's not the AD's fault. No one put a gun to your head and made you buy a ticket.
awesome suggestion. and some wonder why there are empty seats in the stands (which is a problem i expect to grow next season)
Why would I not show up?
I was thinking the same thing, but he is clearly more subdued than the last couple weeks.
The problem is this.
Here is the Al Borges defend-o-meter:
Al is the best! Middle ground FIRE BORGES!
I have been here from the start of the season:
Al is the best! Middle ground FIRE BORGES!
A lot of you have been here:
Al is the best! Middle ground FIRE BORGES!
You're all stupidly trying to make it out like I've been here:
Al is the best! Middle ground FIRE BORGES!
Which is patently untrue. Myself, Space Coyote and others have been defending only so much as we've been saying, "There are plenty of valid criticisms, but your critcisim is incorrect and stupid."
Seriously, does no one actually read what I write, or do you just blink at the text for a couple of minutes before attempting to surmise what I wrote?
I've said all along that the lack of development along the offensive line has to be put directly on the coaches. A lot of peoples' criticisms of playcalling have been off base, because if your offensive line can't block they're aren't a whole lot of plays that you can run with a great deal of success. Your offense will also be incredibly inconsistent, especially when you combine poor blocking, with an erratic QB.
But I guess in whatever weird paradigm a lot of you subscribe to, not shouting "FIRE BORGES!" every 5 minutes, and being a bit more thoughtful and nuanced, means you think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I really like your posts & the way you articulate your thoughts. That being said however you can absolutely put me down for:
X - FIRE BORGES.
While my thoughts have pretty much remained the same in a "we are who I thought we were" sort of way, I'm moving more in that camp too. I can't pin it all on Al, as I think he's being made out to be a scape goat more than anything else.
Don't get me wrong, his playcalling has been bad at times (it has also been good at times), but I think if he gets fired it's less a referendum on his calls and more on the lack of offensive development as a whole. Funk would need to go too, because while the offensive line is young and inexperienced, it can't be this horrible and he gets to keep his job.
I think I just tend to look more big picture. As a program, we've been behind the 8-ball in terms of recruiting since Carr's last few seasons, and Rich Rod's tenure certainly didn't help on that front.
It's a sizeable hole that is going to take probably 2 more years to dig out of.
This is the sort of thing I warned about when we fired Rich Rod after only 3 years. We run the risk of becoming a revolving door program, where we keep cleaning house every 3 years and then wonder why we can't build anything.
Just as soon as we start to build a solid foundation we knock it down, and then complain when the next guy can't simultaneously clean up that mess while building a house of his own in such a limited timeframe.
I agree with you soo much. I don't give a rats ass about playcalling right now its the poor player development that is killing this whole offensive staff for me. I think they all need to go including Jackson. I also really think we need a qb coach but I don't see how that is possible with the current defensive setup. I guess the best outcome would be an OC who is proven to devolop qb's, a proven oline coach, and Tyrone Wheatly.
The offense is a mess, so it's clear that there's a problem with Al. I agree with your comments about what happened when RR was fired after only three years, and the danger of becoming another ND.
To add to that danger, the same person who made the decision to fire RR early and bring in Hoke is going to pick the new coach. I haven't seen much from DB that inspires confidence.
In the past couple of days you haven't exactly created well-thought-out comments on the board. Whenever someone made a comment, you would put some gif there to mock them. These comments were not trolls or idiots. Some were actually decently thought out. They just had a view that seemingly you opposed.
Instead of actually trying to refute said posts, you used snarky gifs. You did not create a position nor did you really defend anything, so you came across as an extremist.
That's because those people were using the same, tired, bombed out and depleted arguments, over and over again, ad nauseam. There was literally no point in responding in anything but snarky gifs, because when you respond to them in an intelligent, thoughtful manner, you still elicit the same boorish response.
This is the essence of what those of us who defend Borges keep trying to say, but the FIRE BORGES crowd refuses to acknowledge. No offensive coach in the history of the sport can call plays that will succeed with this kind of line play. If you want to fire him and Funk because they have done a terrible job of developing linemen or because he can't coach Devin into making decisions, that is fair. But to say that the problem is OMG PLAY CALLING makes me wonder if there are more than ten people on this board who even played in high school.
get out or pay your ticket $ and just shut up. that is total BS! i choose to where i want to live and pay tax $ accordingly. so if i don't like what the local gov't (or school system) is doing i should just pack up and leave or just continue to pay my tax $ and shut up? i like this community and want it better. i will be damned if i'm going to just sit here and take this BS!!!
Except those things aren't really analogous at all...
So has Funk. This, like Penn State, was a game Michigan should have won. And like PSU, the defense gave up a late touchdown after the offense could not salt it away. Three times UM had it at the NEB's 40 and they got a grand total of three points. That's the difference between a blowout win and crushing defeat.
Al Borges is the worst playcallier I have ever seen. Well, except for Ken Karcher.(EMU OC before Parrish took over) He worse than anyone I have seen the Lions field and he is every bit as bad as Dan Roushar. The man needs to go.
troubling is our offense's inability to handle blitzes. Plays are run into them, OL and RBs can't pick them up, and DG holds the ball way too long.
Defense is easy if you can send 5 or 6 guys every play.
He has limited mobility and blocking strength (relatively easy to diagnose), but he might be much better at line calls (hard to diagnose). DG might also be more comfortable with him and thus focus better on his own responsibilities.
are you willing to trade a bad snap or two per game for better blocking? i am. but the question is whether miller is a better blocker than the two replacement guards. i'm not sure about that either.
But I too am done with this offensive coaching staff. I thought the defense played really well yesterday. Although they gave up some points, they also made some nice plays given the debacle on the other side of the ball. The offense is pathetic. Watching Gardner get sacked over and over again is so frustrating! They have no ability to adjust the game plan at half time. I think Borges/Hoke think that the plan is good and the players just can't excecute it. I beg to differ. A good plan of attack does not involve two games in a row with negative rushing yards. I hope that this year doesn't destroy our incoming recruiting class, because it's hard to watch right now. UUUUUGGGGGHHHH. I think we end up 6-6 this year. I am going to the OSU game after thanksgiving, and even though it will be my third UM vs OSU game, I'm not really looking forward to getting stomped by 70. It's gonna be ugly. Hoke and staff are the opposite of RR - defense but no offense. We need a staff that can coach all phases of the game.
Hoke has to let Borges go. If I'm DB and Hoke is not coming to this conclusion on his own, then I've got to seriously question his competency. Regardless of whose call it is, I think that call is made - I just wish they'd do it now. You gotta send a message that this is not acceptable, we recognize the problem, and are acting upon it. Consider - strongly - how the handling of this problem is perceived by our current commits/leans - quick, decisive corrective action, or a bumbling stumbling through the rest of the year.
Hoke is a delegator, and has his strengths. I'd see how things go next year with a new OC, whom I would let have some degree of input, if not final say, on his staff. While the jury's still out on Funk, I think this thread reinforces the sentiment that it's tough to block against an oft-stacked front that knows what's coming,
To keep Borges is to believe he has the potential to reverse his ineptitude. If he does, and he hasn't...enough said. For the rest of the year, anybody on that staff (including GAs) would be no less imaginative a play-caller, and I don't think his QB coaching would be missed. I would put more trust in a random play-call generator (weighted slightly toward passing) - I couldn't be more serious.
MSU made similar comments last week. Ohio did the same last year.
Without Denard's improvisation, every defense knows exactly what's coming.
I'm sure the boys will have a great week of practice per Hoke before they turd it up next week in Evanston.
We're pretty much No. 1 in the country if you only count practice. We always bring our A game. According to Hoke, we're undefeated Monday through Friday.
A drunk guy on Viagra in Haiti could make better decisions than Borges.
Borges kept the lid on Denard a lot in 2011 and 2012, but it worked as Denard still improvised when the play broke down or Denard wanted to run something else (witness Air Force game).
We got lucky last year when Devin took over as D Coordinators didn't know what to expect, especially when Denard came back at RB.
Devin is obviously not comfortable in the pocket, sooooo let him through from the pocket.
This can't be fixed (Sadly) till off-season.
and tossing out thinly-veiled racism has indeed been your MO. Can't wait until you actually slip and get banned.
Not saying I agree with because I think it's mostly on the play calling, but you are an ass if you think what he said is racist
In the open threads, he made a bunch of comments about putting in a "cerebral" QB in Morris. He's also been on a BLAME GARDNER streak for quite some time and exonerated the coaches. I'll leave it up to you to draw conclusions.
Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can conclude that Morris is "cerebral" yet. We haven't even seen him play.. I have no idea at all if he's smart or not.
Devin is hesitant, that means the above poster is racist? You're an ass.
Put me squarely in the 'Devin is hesitant' column too, but I think it's because of the INTs earlier in the year. Also, the horrible blocking has him concerned about the rush, therefore hard to focus downfield. Some QBs handle pressure better than others, but I've never noticed any connection to ethnicity.
I like Devin, but he does seem hesitant. I put it equally on Borges though, b/c we don't seem to have a good system for making pre-snap adjustments.
I'm having a hard time deciding if that's an intentional straw man or a sign of illiteracy. Words of that nature have never been posted under my moniker. If OldSchool had merely said "Devin is hesitant," i wouldn't have a problem. I elaborated and you can go back in the open threads to find the "cerebral" comments. I can't even find the words to describe the inanity of your first sentence.
I have no idea who OldSchool is. I've never seen a post before. But, I can tell you that there is not a thing racist about his post, even if he's a KKK member at home. Gardner was pretty bad yesterday. I like him. I've supported him all year. But I also said at one point that if he contiued to watch the pass rush instead of keeping his eyes downfield, something had to change. To his credit, the next series he did look downfield, stepped up into the pocket and through the ball on targe. Unfortunately that didn't continue.
Just. So. Inconsistent. The whole team. It's depressing, as we should have won this game (and PSU for that matter).
I wonder if the mad magician teams of the late 40s had the same problem.
I expect every team Michigan plays from here on out will blitz on most downs.
I don't think this is just on the interior O-line at this point. I'm no expert, but it seems the style of offense Hoke and Borges want to use depends a lot on TE play, and while we have some great, young athletes playing TE who can run and catch the ball, we don't have TEs who can block effectively.
Borges is like the kid who feels compelled to put an X in the center square to start a game of Tic Tac Toe though that never leads to a win. Opposing DCs get to take a break from the stressful chess matches they play all season long and play a game if Tic Tac Toe against an inept opponent for one game each year.
I've been thinking about this... How does the offense move the ball against the defense in practice? Isn't Mattison taking notes and blitzing the offense every time?
Unfortunately, Heiko asked this question this past week to Mattison. Basically, do you let the offensive coaches know that your play calling is predictable and easy to defend for us. Mattison said that he has his own issues on defense to focus on and can't spend time making suggestions to the offensive staff. Many posters seem to think this is normal and coaches are generally territorial so I'm not sure Borges would take kindly to Mattison calling him out.
This is just a shit show that needs to be corrected in the off season. I really hope Beilein has coffee with Hoke and just has an informal conversation about his experiences. Don't make any suggestions but just show what you've been through and how it might be applicable to your situation. Of course, if Hoke truly believes everything is all fine and good as he seems to in his press conferences then we are truly boned.
We will know in a few weeks and months what Hoke intends to do and if he wants to course correct even a little to set this program back in a good direction.
And last night watching the LSU-Alabama game I heard about all of Alabama's tendencies...it's not about play calling, it's about executing (Saban said it himself after the game) and talent.
That's great and all, but there aren't enough first round NFL draft picks to fill every college lineup - so until then, it is about play calling for the mortal teams out there.
When you cheat and have better talent than everyone, you can pretty much do whatever you want.
Also, execution is on the coaches as well. You don't get to just blame the players whenever it's convenient.
Everyone says it is execution. There is too much video of every team and even the lower tier teams employ extensive video review to gain an eadvantage, e.g. Akron and Connecticut. It is pretty obvious that UM has massive tendencies that are taken advantage of by opponents. If I am an opponent and I hewar about these tendencies that is the focus of my prep. As bad as Akron is and they were able to consistently crush all rushing attempts. If I am on the O-Line and the D-Line knows what play is coming, I have to be exceptionally skilled to avoid a negative play. It was obvious then and we blamed it on the inexperienced line and that was PART of the problem. This can only be blamed on the arrogance/insanity of the staff as we all know the meaning of that.
When have we been able to surprise a team with an alignment? Are we saving it for the bowl game?
After attending the game yesterday I can honestly say that the effort and atmosphere did not represent that of the other 15 or so games I have attended in my life.
Offensive play calling is atrocious. I myself am a offensive coordinator at a local hs and I honestly struggle at time to find rumor and reason to the gameplay. Al's first season here i praised the man for being able to adjust his offense to our strengths. Now I can't help but shake my head as we run an ISO Behind our left guard on 2nd and 13 when we already had -23 yards rushing (yes I know most were from sacks and a bad snap)
The interior o-line is not good. However, I did not think blocking up front was atrocious. Guards are slow to pull and there is absolutely no push. This aspect will improve with experience.
Running back blocking is a serious area of concern. Idk why we seemingly give old Fred a free pass. I haven't seen a back consistently block here since Brandon Minor. We look timid, slow, and outmanned at the point of attack. I can see it from Green because he is a freshman. Fitz is just not everything we hoped he would be. Not fast enough for his size, no longer shifty (probably due to injury) and not physical enough to block defensive ends our lbs... Since we don't run anyway we mine as well default to green.
DG needs to raise up out of this slump and produce. He has the physical tools but when the going gets rough it's like e forgets all his footwork. His progression is becoming slower and it appears as though he makes his decision pre-snap at times. Do we have a QB coach? I know out of hs he was very raw (Inkster taught him next to nothing about the position) but with consistency comes success. Compile DG's inconsistency with the o-lines problems and you have a serious issue in the passing game. Bottom line, the man looks gun shy. Almost can't blame him after all the sacks.
The receiving core really seems limited by scheme. This offense asks receivers to do a lot of things by themselves to get open and make plays. Al's 'stack' formations are his attempt to hide our lack if size and isolate our larger receiver (funchess). There is usually a check down, but it is rarely a route that will get us anything. Yesterday, DG simply held the ball too long. There were times were guys were open and he just could not find them. We should have been able to take advantage when Nebraska went cover 0, but we did not (with the exception of our one huge mismatch in funchess) gallon played solid, devin simply could not find him.
I would like to continue to incorporate the te, especially butt, into the offense more. Easier pass for devin and the kid makes plays. However, blocking needs to improve significantly at this position in the near future.
We need a true center as well as a true punter (if in fact will is or is not returning). These two positions have been underachieving IMO. I know some will argue with me about Wile, but the guy is bit a punter and you an see that from his inconsistency.
I am not one to normally pass judgement on coaches but IMO funk, Borges, and even Fred have to seriously be evaluated after the season. These areas have become a serious are of concern and I do not see improvement over the course if the season. We can blame the 'stars' all we want, but I believe this team has some talent that is seriously underutilized in this very limited offensive scheme Borges has marched out the last month and a half.
Signed, a fan that sees potential but believed changes need to come quickly.
Vincent Smith mauled guys on blitz pick-ups. You better check yourself.
Most of this has been covered already, but this isn't bad input.
Al Borges is the QB coach as well as the OC. I'm not sure which job he's worse at.
Jack Miller is a true center. Patrick Kugler is a true center. We'll be okay in the future.
I don't get the Wile hate. He had a couple of shanks earlier in the season, but he's been more than solid during Big Ten season. I have no complaints.
...also Kugler and Borges. I hate the thought of more change and so soon, but Hoke would be wise to unhitch his wagon from a couple of coaches at year end. If he doesn't, he will be gone as well.
I really like Hoke and hope he figures it out.
Not new at all. And yes I have seen some of this covered. Just an observation. The last few weeks I have been too frustrated to post. Just tough to watch. I hear people sitting next to me screaming 'put in Shane' and begin thinking that fans here really are that dumb. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I believe most would agree that that move would be dumb. Instead of putting in the unproven freshman QB who struggles with decisions himself and is not accurate on the run, can we just try plays that utilize Devin's unique abilities and stop with the ISO to set up the most predictable play action ever. Pay action tends to not work when your rushing yards are in the negative.
The run blocking was atrocious. No way around that. I'm not sure why you would say otherwise (if that's what you intended). i was not critical of DG after MSU. I was yesterday. Too many times he had receivers open, and refused to let the ball go. Hence Brady's comment about throwing the ball. He didnt' say throw better, he said throw. In my opinion, as inept as the run game was, we still should have won the game. I was beside myself on the last 3rd down play, where NE DB gave Gallon a 10 yard cusion on 3rd and 5, was wide open through the route, and DG didn't release the ball. Instead, he reverse field, trying to use his athleticsm, was tackled for a yard loss That play was the day in a microcasm!
I saw some play-calling progress. We threw to our FB twice yesterday. Twice. Two times. So take that opposing defenses who thought we were going to run just because our FB was on the field. Progress, I say.
/trying to find silver linings
And they both went for decent gains. So much for doing what works...
and didn't work the second, which seemed like it was run only a few plays later out of the same look. But at least it was new.
The second time Kerridge got submarined for a loss of 1, I believe.
What will lead to some changes? A 6-6 finish? (very possible IMO) Urban and the boys hanging "half-a-hundred" in a few weeks? I'm honestly curious... up until yesterday, I agreed with Brian's stance that nothing would change, but now...
Half-a-hundred will happen in the 1st half with our field position.
USC defenders said the same thing after the Rose Bowl following the '06 season. But that team could still move the ball. I don't think it is unfair to say Michigan has suffered from simplistic offensive design for years. The problem this year is the lack of overall talent and/or experience combined with Al's inability to adapt with a week or two of preparation, let alone on the fly.
It is not talent. Yes, we are not Alabama, but we have talent, especially when compared to the rest of the country and yet we have become one of the worst offenses in he country the last couple of weeks. We have some young talent on he OL but this OL is worse than whatever Akron puts together. We can't run the ball., our RB is horrible at helping with blocking/blitzes and our QB is making bad decisions over and over. And then sometimes we have horrible play calling.
For the most part I agree. Hoke is bringing in talent major programs across the country are also recruiting. A further indictment of the preparation and development of those players.
Borges out of his element in big time football.
Hey, I have an idea! Maybe we can move Lewan and Schofield inside! That will certainly stop the other team from blitzing inside! WOOO!
As long as Michigan keep clinging to the past nothing will ever change. Anyone want to buy a VCR? I am sure this Blu-ray thing is just a fad.
whats wrong with this team, but I do think it has to be a combination of many things going wrong at the same time. At least offensively Like poor play calling, poor QB play, poor blitz pickups in the backfield, poor line play, poor timing and or luck. It also looks like Nebraska asked MSU for their gameplans against UM with sending two players into the same gap or at least copy catting them. Except they did not give Lewan the same respect, MSU did by blitzing his gap rather than the centers gap.
The Nebraska player made on his back FOR A FIRST DOWN, WTF....Talk about the football Gods loving you, are they living right or what...If he does not catch it the ball sails harmlessly out of bounds, but as he fell and the QB throws the ball too low the reception was pure unadulterated luck like this team has never seen, save the Sugar bowl. I would have laughed if it weren't so sad
My first year of coaching youth football I asked a local HS coach about under center vs. shotgun snap. His reply was that if your QB is exceptionally quick getting away from the center AND you have a strong running back, you go from under center because you will have an advantage. If not you go shotgun or pistol. His statement was that "you're going to spend 2 hours of practice working center exchange. You will be able to teach either method in that time relatively well"(for youth football). Devin Gardner is EXCEPTIONALLY slow at getting away from center. I mean unusually slow. He has been since day 1. I watched youtube vids on denard, devin and several other QBs and he is SLOW getting away. There is no missing it.
So I can't remember... don't WANT to remember... the botched blocks by our RBs.
Were they merely outmuscled because they were facing DL instead of blitzing LBs due to our transparent offense? If so, it makes the blocking issues not nearly as much in the hands of the RBs themselves, but more so on the easy to scheme against offense.
Brian has been telling everyone that we are tipping our plays for years now. It was only a matter of time before everyone else in the world figured it out. The question is, why the F*** hasn't Borges figured it out???
I'm sure if we studies each team as much as we studied Michigan, we would notice them tipping their plays, too. Michigan is not the only team with tendencies, formation tips, etc.
Y-e-e-e-ess, but Michigan IS the only team in the B1G, and most of college football with offensive yardage this terrible two weeks in a row. Like, historically terrible.