Brady Hoke cant close on elite skill players.
Da'Mario Jones Commitment Offers More Hope With Late Interest/Scholarship
Unacceptable. Where are the NFL teams?
dude has a bitchin' name
and visits no less. Mr. Jones must have some serious talent that goes beyond his 3 star rating. Can't wait to see him in the Maize and Blue.
He is like Calvin Johnson, only faster and with better hands.
Georgia and MSU apparently extended him scholarhip offers as well during their visits
I work with a member of the family, so I can offer a little insight on the offers. UCLA, Michigan State, and Georgia did offer. Alabama told them they would have if he would entertain a visit. Whether they would have come through? Who knows. Florida State also wanted a visit.
Why now? He is a kid who moved around a few times and didn't hit many camps or combines.The offense he plays in, nor did his QB shocase his skills. Sometimes good players just slip through the cracks. I know a coach who's team went up against Da'Mario this year , and told me after he pledged to Michigan that they stole one.
Alabama during his time at Michigan. I think everyone is a bit gun shy after the RR era when we were supposed to trust the coaches on a possible reaches. Looking for big things from Da'Mario.
Is there anyone else at that school that can gain an offer perhaps a jr next year?
All in all this is a good sign the coaches do a good job of evaluating talent early and getting those kids.
Jones committed to Michigan during the 2012 season. How did they evaluate his talent early in this case?
This is more of a case of Georgia, UCLA and MSU recognizing they badly need a WR, pulling up commit lists on Rivals, and throwing spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks.
Yes, because the coaches of the best teams go almost exclusively from the rankings on recruiting sites.
Didn't Miami under Coker admit to doing exactly this?
Yes, and many laughs have been had at the expense of Coker.
do in fact seem to know who the highly ranked kids are. Hoke and others have mentioned that during pressers about recruiting. So they at least look at the rankings, even if they don't use them
Being aware of them is one thing; using them to decide who to recruit is another.
Wasn't this also a knock on Urban Meyer at Florida?
realize which staffs effectively evaluate talent and which stink at it.
Hoke & co are well regarded for talent eval & these coaches might be trying to "steal" a guy who hasn't been shown a bunch of big school BS.
What about Alabama and Florida State? You're being naive if you think these school will just drop in on any player if the need is there. Why waste your time this late in the process unless it's worth the risk/reward?
Exactly, he is a talented WR that they overlooked previously and probably hoping that he might only be wedded to Michigan because Michigan is his only big offer. Obviously they are fishing, but this late in the game they cannot afford to waste time and have to pick their battles-best opportunities.
Makes you wonder if we aren't doing this as well . . .
Lolololol Saban does this?
[synonym of quell]
[synonym of doubts]
of the staff's ability to
[pick one from: close, recruit elite players, recruit skill players, recruit WRs, recruit in Ohio, out-recruit OSU, out-recruit EVERYONE, beat Ohio, beat MSU, sell t-shirts]
I'm just sayin', this meme that everything positive they do disproves some negative perception about them just shoehorns this weird kind of insecurity into every post. On top of that, I don't even think the alleged doubters exist half of the time, like here for instance.
Dude's got wheels and skill. Doesn't look like a 3 star in his highlights.
Seriously - can you tell me who does "look like a 3 Star" in their highlights? Isn't that sort of the point - to take a group of plays, cobble them together and present the player to the world as the 5 Staringish 5 Star ever to get 5 Stars?
I mean if the best you can do is look like a 3 Star in your own highlights shouldn't you drop the excercise alltogether and hope others will just remember you in a better light?
Derrick Green. Wish I had a Mgopoint for every time someone said Green's video is not impressive.
He gets all the stars.
Yes, there are plently of people that look like 3 stars in their video. While their highlight tape is supposed to make them all look like 5 stars, a lot fail.
Lots of guys look like 3-stars in their highlights. People just look at the wrong things - the touchdowns, the tackles, etc. There are lots of high schoolers who score a bunch of touchdowns and don't do jack squat in college. A mediocre running back with a good offensive line is going to score a bunch of touchdowns, but that doesn't mean he's fast or powerful or elusive.
so do you think jones deserves more hype than three stars?
Not really. I think a high 3-star ranking should be about his ceiling.
so if you think he'll be the best of the three WR commits this year, do you project the other two to have a mid-three star ceiling?
I think the other two are solid 3-stars. That doesn't mean I think they'll have bad careers, but they've both got some big hurdles to clear, in my opinion.
they have a good shot at being better than Jeremy Jackson?
I sure hope so
that his ceiling is higher than a high three. I'm thinking an All Conference-type player.
Well, I certainly hope you're right that he's an all-conference talent, but those schools can miss on guys, too. I think he's a 3-star because he needs time to develop, not because of his ceiling. The higher rankings generally go to the guys who can make an earlier impact.
top 15 programs persuing a recruit is a good sign of a recruits potential.
I certainly think it's a good sign (unless he flips, and then it's a bad sign), and as I said, I think Jones is the best of our WR bunch.
What happened to Jill? You left her for that?
Oh no...never. This IS Jill - just a different camera angle that's all.
My third grade kick ball highlights were pretty impressive but unfortunately, I fizzeled out during junior high. I think it was lack of work ethic that doomed me. Plus I started to notice girls on the playground.
Be glad you made it that far. I was the star of my fifth grade team but turns out that was the peak of my career. When you start chasing money, drugs and bitches as an 11 year old, it's all downhill from there. No regrets, though.
He does look very good in the videos- but WR is so hard for me to judge on high school highlights- so many schools have poor DB's that it is so hard to tell what is serious talent and what is just being better than weak talent on D for WR...
Interesting to see one of our lower rated guys get such big-time looks especially after being a commit... Some coaches have a great eye for high end talent who are not highly ranked recruiting-wise. I know people are quick to say Hoke can't get elite WR talent- but give it some time for the first few recruiting classes to get some experience to see if he does have an eye for these types of guys- I think its way too early to be upset about WR recruting. Plus, with his recruitng skills its saying al ot that WR elite talent is one of the main problems...
I imagine one of the things that could be working against UM in recruiting battles for WR is that the offense has not featured the WRs much. UM hasn't had a 1000 yard receiver since Manningham in 2007 and I bet recruits (and opposing coaches) point to this as an example of the offense not being friendly to elite receivers.
It seems tough to evaluate based just on these highlights. I mean he doesn't really even run a whole lot of routes. His normal 'route' is 'run fast past the DB.' Good in high school, but that won't fly in college. However, he does seem to locate and adjust to the ball well. One thing to remember is that rankings often take into accout how physically ready a guy is; and in his case, he looks like he needs so weight (kind of like Chesson did). So I can definitely see why he's 3-star, but that doesn't mean his upside is low. Certainly if that 10.8 40 time (which is probably a JR year time) then he brings some welcome speed to the WR class especially with a 6'2" frame.
show the qb underthrowing him. So I agree with the post that the players around him may have inhibited him a little bit.
looked pretty bad but he made a couple of plays that only someone with a special talent could do (regardless of the competiton). What impresses me about him, is his toughness. He isn't afraid to go after the ball, run over guys, block or just lay a hit on someone...
He is clearly atheletic but you will notice he plays a lot of different positions and if I recall that is for a smaller school (could be wrong though). He looks incrediblly raw as a receiver. My guess is he wont contribute right away but could become a really solid player (slot recievor would be guess) in a few years with good coaching, Reminds me of Henry a little bit. A generic three star palyer who is super raw but is fairly athletic.
It's unlikely any of our 2013 WRs play this fall, unless one of them shows up extra polished. We'll have Gallon, Dileo, Jackson, Darboh, Chesson and TEs catching passes for us this fall.
This means I don't care if Jones needs polish, because he has some time to get it.
I agree that none of our 2013 will play this fall (lets hope at least) but he looks like a project. He only half plays WR
Why you think three lower rated kids will play before a 4 star recruit who has been in the program for a year I do not know.Who the other 3-4 guys "who could play receiver" are I also do not know. What I do know is that I find it doubtful that those kids will switch to WR. Not when you sign three WRs in one class.
I very much expect Dileo and Gallon to be two of the three starters vs CMU. They both are very good players. Gallon has the potential for an All Big Ten season.
I presume the skepticism regarding Darboh & Chesson comes from the fact that UM's receiving corps. was pretty dire in 2012 and if we had a freshman playmaker waiting in the wings the coaches would have inserted him.
However, Michgian has had a number of WRs who either red-shirted or played sparingly as freshmen, and then went on to big careers, such as:
- Braylon had 3 receptions his freshman season (2001).
- Steve Breaston red-shirted.
- Marquise Walker did not record a catch during his freshman season (1998)
- Mercury Hayes had 10 catches as a freshman in 1992.
- Derrick Alexander had 6 receptions as a freshman in 1989.
- Desmond Howard did not record a catch as a freshman, and recorded just 9 catches as a sophomore in 1989.
- Jason Avant had 2 receptions as a freshman in 2002.
- Adrian Arrington had 2 receptions as a freshman in 2004.
- Tai Streets had 5 receptions as a freshman in 1995.
- Chris Calloway recorded 7 catches as a sophomore in 1987.
- Jeremy Gallon red-shirted and had 4 receptions as a RS freshman in 2010
Mario Manningham was arguably UM's most productive freshman receiver ever, with 27 receptions for 433 yards and 6 TDs in 2005. (Other examples include AC (13 catches, 321 yds, 5 TD in 1979), Martavious Odoms (49 Rec, 443 yds, 0 TD in 1998), Roy Roundtree (32 catches, 434 yds. 3 TDs in 2009) and Amani Toomer (16 rec, 237 yds, 1 TD in 1992). That players like Manningham and Roundtree were able to put up impressive stat lines as true freshmen is a credit to them, but I don't think it necessarily means anything negative with respect to Darboh or Chesson.
I know those Rich Rod seasons seemed like forever, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't there for that long
Oops. Of course, Odoms probably would have had a 1,000-yard season in 1998, seeing as Brady would have been throwing to him instead of Threet & Sheridan.
Since 2002, EVERY year we've brought in at least one true freshman receiver, a true freshman receiver has played.
So if none of our class of 2013 receivers see the field this coming season, that will be the first time in the Rivals/Scout era. Contrary to what you're saying here, I think it's pretty likely that at least one of the receivers will play this season.
What makes you think he is "incredibly raw as a receiver" or "super raw"? Maybe I'm not a good judge, but he didn't look raw in his film. He looks like he catches the ball with his hands, runs decent routes and high points the ball reasonably well.
Westland John Glenn is a pretty decent sized school.
Other than Lloyd Carr or Chuck Gordon.
Yup, the enrollment is 1,967. That makes it the 26th largest enrollment out of 596 high schools in the state.
Dumb questions: Why would coaches visit a recruit this late in the process without either having extended or extending an offer at the visit? Do they feel the need to physically visit in order to gauge interest?
Perhaps the goal is get him for a visit on the weekend. If you can't do that, you might not bother offering -- you might still be evaluating him, or you might want to make the offer in person (or get Saban or Richt or whoever to make the offer) for maximum effect and figure it's otherwise a useless exercise to extend the offer.
Rough analogy, but pro scouts measure and interview every target at the combine to avoid surprises.
Coaches want to make sure the kid is physically and mentally OK because they get zero eval before NSD, especially kids like Da'Mario that don't camp widely or attend The Opening.
Imagine telling Saban you just offered a 6'2" WR from MI on the phone and then a 5'11" jerk with small hands shows up in Tuscaloosa?
IIRC, he plays in a very run heavy offense so he might not have been able to showcase his ability as much as other recruits.
Jones was originally from Pickerington, OH. The same town as Jake and Taco. I work with one of his old coaches, one of Jake's coach this past year. He claims, Jones has the athleticism to play many positions. It has been a couple years since he has coached him, but clammers on about his potential.
Sounds like a crime fighting duo.
WWTD? Love this kid, he is going to be awesome!
IMO, Jones is the best receiver of the three guys who are committed to Michigan in 2013. It doesn't surprise me that other schools are sniffing around.
You have Const'e and Da'Mario as equals as far as your rating system goes. If you think he is the best then why don't your ratings reflect that?
What if Da'Mario is closer to 80 than York?
Those ratings are going to be updated on/right after NSD.
Sounds like you're saving your ass on that one. Anyway, I actually have a question for you. I checked out your commitment post on Green since you've been somewhat of a critic of him and noticed that you had him as an 89 and the next day he was a 92. What's up with that?
The recruiting services are allowed to change their rankings after further evaluation, but for some reason Magnus is not allowed to do the same?
I am obviously kidding in the first sentence. However, it seemed strange for him to change Green from an 89 to a 92 in less than 24 hours after his commitment. I wanted to know why he bumped him up 3 points.
It seems like you visit his blog daily.
I like to read the comments and discussion on the commits so when a player does so I'll go there and read what his viewers think of his opinion.
Three points equates to the "Michigan Difference"
Frankly, I couldn't care less what you think.
Oh, play nice. Soooo... when are your Pink Slip posts going to return?
And we're really supposed to believe you were kidding in your above post? Sounds pretty disingenuous to me.
This is just an attempt by you to stir up trouble. Have fun with that.
I would say loosen up but we both now know that that won't happen here. Have a drink, find a semi attractive woman, and hop on the good foot and do the bad thing. It's not that serious.
Enjoy your website and appreciate the work invovled but there's no need to be a donkey.
Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.
"Sounds like you're saving your ass on that one."
I don't see how saying "I don't care what you think" is more of being "a donkey" than what he said, but whatevs.
You are the typical bully and someone finally stood up to you. Let's remember that bully stands for
All bullies need is love so I suggest you curl up with a calico under a baobob and sip on Buffalo Sweat.
The commenter challenged you with a legit point (re: your ratings) and while you might have found his commentary annoying or not to your liking you might have responded. It is a discussion board and probably drives business to your own site.
Instead, you went with the tried and true response of not caring what he thinks etc.
Why not just respond to the guy's point...but "whatevs" you went a different direction.
FWIW, I think the ranking questions have some merit.
You pretty much avoided the question, too. I guess we're both in the same boat.
I don't have an issue with questions about the ratings. What I have an issue with is comments like "Looks like you're trying to save your ass" or things like that. Then I say "I don't care" and somehow you think I'm the one who's out of line?
Out of our current WR corps do you have any expectations of any of them getting any actual game time? I know we have atleast 1 (Darboh) play on special teams? I was thinking more along the lines of a Funch type reps?
I'm guessing at least one will play in 2013. Receivers play early, and redshirting all three would be a little bit odd. I don't know which one that will be. If they need blocking, it might be Dukes or York. If they need speed, it might be Jones. Both Darboh and Jeremy Jackson played as true freshmen, and I think that's partly because both were pretty physically developed. The smaller guys (Gallon, Chesson, Roundtree, etc.) seem to redshirt more often.
We lost Roundtree and Jerald Robinson from last year's rotation, so you're probably looking at 1 or 2 new faces popping up. I would assume Chesson will be one of them, and then it will be a battle for the rest of the PT.
Hooray predictable play-calling!
(referencing when Jackson comes in at wideout)
I know our receiver class doesn't have a ton of star power, Amara Darboh and Jake Butt are the only pass catchers to receive 4 stars, but they did make the Rivals 250, and I really really like our receiver corps. I can't wait to see them on the field. They all have the same potential Funchess does, and watching them develop and go head to head with corners a whole head shorter than them will be fun. Seeing an athletic route runner like Jones going up against linebackers in pass coverage will be even better.
Oregon was in to see him also.
Just more evidence of how solid this whole class is from top to bottom.
This can't be true... there is no speed up north. Why would any of these schools want to visit a slow Midwest receiver when there is all that speed flying around the south?
Why did you add it? There's really no point of sarcasm if you have to immediately remind your audience you are being sarcastic.
6' 2" and according to Rivals runs a 4.4 40. Gee, I wonder why all these schools are calling him?
4.4 40 is definitelly fake - watching the video he doesn't seem to explode off the line. Seems like a long strider and I can't seem to locate any information regarding him running track so not sure where the 10.8 100m is from. Does seem to locate the ball well and catch with his hands like others have pointed out.
Pretty much every high school 40 time ever is fake.
But I disagree on his explosion - he gets off the ball pretty darn well, in my opinion.
Am I understanding correctly that you think his long strides make his sprint times less likely? Have you seen Usain Bolt? Calvin Johnson?
He may be a good 100 or 200 sprinter - I follow track and have not seen him at any Michigan track meets. He wasn't at regionals or state and that time would have been very competitive at the div 1 level. Just questioning where the 10.8 - 10.9 times come from.
That said, there are a lot of factors that make you look slower on the field than you may be out of pads. In his case this might be the fact that he had to slow down for a lot of those throws.
I think the biggest take away from his film is that he has good size and what appears to be superior ball skills - my guess is this is what is attracting a lot of the late attention.
according to this site http://www.nationalunderclassmen.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23100&ATCLID=204977726
Probably hand timed, but that would make the 4.48 time I've seen floating around seem a bit more realistic.
First, the combine clearly wasn't a puff contest. 4.6 was the best 40 and they show mostly 5+ and even 6+ sec times. Seems fairly legit data.
Second, Da'Mario's 40, vertical and broad jump were all top level - which validates his explosiveness and means his 4.6 is probably accurate.
Definitely think 4.48 is plausible at this point as a personal best, so call him a legit 4.5. Hopefully he delivers deep ball threat and big plays.
As great as it will be to see these taller WR's lining up on offense, there's something really gratifying about seeing Gallon and Dileo coming up with big catches against taller defensive players.
As long as our receivers catch the ball, move the chains and score touchdowns, I don't care how tall or short they are.
That said, I do think that taller receivers give us an advantage as most college teams have one or two shorter receivers, so we should be able to create and exploit match-up problems. Also, taller receivers can make certain catches that shorter receivers cannot (obviously, higher throws, etc.).
Not in the same sense.... But he seems to slither through arm tackles pretty darn well.
How did his recruitment blow up in one week???
Apparently Oregon was there too, obviously some people realized this kid has legit 4.4 speed with good ball skills and height. Those three things are three of the best assets for a receiver to have, obviously. So, it's not that surprising.
Which coaches SPECIFICALLY visited Da'Mario from Alabama, FSU, and Georgia? I'm 99 percent sure that at least 2 of those schools did not have any coaches in the state over the last 2 weeks.
It's a complete guess but I'd think Bobby Williams would make the visit for Bama.
this seems great. Our football and basketball coaches consistently are able to find under-the-radar talent
Is who I see the most similarity too in game. Coincedentally he was also a onetime Chippewa commit (and player obviously). That burner speed mixed with quick cuts that create space and lots of it. Which then got me thinking to other comparisons. Csonte York reminds me of Brandon Lloyd.