FWIW. Michigan doesn't seem inclined to get re-involved.
FYI, Wayne Lyons is being recruited by Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. Once the coaching situation is figured out, everything will fall into place.
I don't see anything wrong with DB putting together a press conference re: CC (which no doubt will be national news worthy, ESPN) right now and announcing RR will be retained as coach. He could always research after the bowl game and fire him anyway. Coaches/owners/ADs have done this for years. Nobody would even bat an eye at the fact that the first announcement was a complete show. It would firm up recruting for the time being and IME be a good solution to the problem at hand. I am not saying it is right or ethical or anything, but it has become so commonplace. Hell Saban did just as bad or worse and now he is glorified in a fucking commercial eating a cookie with Herbie and the Gang of Morons. It's all about the wins, unfortunately.
The reason he hasn't yet shows that RR may not be here next year.
I disagree, that's the wrong thing to do. It hurts our credibility as an AD and University and will turn off recruits even more if DB goes back on his word. In the end, what difference will it make to "shore up" recruiting for 2 weeks? That will only make damage control that much harder if RR is not retained. People need to stop worrying about the short-short-term so much. What happens between now and Jan 3/4 is meaningless.
I disagree that the next two weeks are meaningless. It is prime time for recruting now that most seniors are done with the season. I agree with the point that it doesn't really matter because nobody signs until Signing Day, but I would bet that 100% of recruits make up their mind more than 5 minutes before they sign. This is just giving reason to kids to look elsewhere, IME. And as we like to say "if we get them on campus there is a shot." We are giving other places that shot.
Starts a recruiting dead period. So while you are right that in the next two weeks recruits could be deciding and thinking over their options, I don't think you can call this recruiting "prime time" (assuming people follow the rules).
Players can still contact coaches during dead time. Coaches just can't contact players...
Fair enough, but players contacting coaches can only go so far. You made it sound like schools would be dialing up our recruits and getting them on campus.
This is just giving reason to kids to look elsewhere, IME. And as we like to say "if we get them on campus there is a shot." We are giving other places that shot.
And I'm not saying this whole situation isn't hurting, but I don't think its absolutely killing our class.
except that this statement by me "This is just giving reason to kids to look elsewhere, "
and this statement by you "You made it sound like schools would be dialing up our recruits and getting them on campus."
are exactly the opposite of one another.
I disagree that the next two weeks are meaningless. It is prime time for recruting now that most seniors are done with the season.
How terribly inconvenient, then, that most of the next two weeks are a recruiting dead period.
Edit: Beat to the punch. But still I don't think it's fair to call this prime recruiting time if coaches are not even allowed to contact recruits.
Kids can still contact coaches. Coahces just can't contact kids...
That's a great idea. Our athletic director should be a sleazy dickbag like Nick Saban and retract what he said three weeks after he said it!
You know, if you set your standards low enough, you just might reach them.
Like I said in the post I don't agree with it, but it happens so often and the offenders are rarely villified that it would make sense here, IME.
Thanks for the extra helping of snark and overall dick-baggery we are all accustomed to though, thoughtful.
Person A suggests that the athletic director of the University of Michigan should be two-faced and deceive players, fans, and coaches by giving a public display of support for Michigan's coach when he might not really mean it.
Person B suggests that Person A's idea is dumb and sleazy and uses sarcasm to point it out.
And yet Person B is the one who displays dick-baggery, huh? Interesting...
Like I said (now twice) it happens all the time with coaches around the country. They are not villified and if they win they are eventually glorified. And I don't know if you know this, but not many people outside of this board and Michigan fans could even pick DB out of a lineup. It would blow over in a news cycle and the second "real" announcement (if it would even be needed; only if he fired RR) wouldn't even make the ESPN bottom line. It has happened so many times it is predictable now.
And yes you are a snarky asshole and I think you take pride in that for some reason. It is demonstrable and repeatable. Science.
I guess if it happened before, it's okay if it happens again.
When dealing with people like you - who suggest that our AD lies to the public - I'm not sure that "snark" is such a horrible crime.
But hey, if calling me an asshole makes you feel better, then I'll be your huckleberry.
Looks like I'm back to my old practice of auto negging anything you post. Good times. Vintage.
or a complete asshole. One or the other I suppose.
Hey man, make your point. Or don't. But sinking to the level of calling people names makes you look like a, well, don't do it.
Actually coaches are regularly vilified, especially outside their own fanbases, for being duplicitous about jobs.
But yeah, you must be right, nobody thinks or ever has thought of Saban as a sleazy coach.
WHich one of those statements happened as recently as his "hilarious" new commercial? None, it blew over and he is now glorified. Like I fucking said in the first place. Jesus. Reading Comp. 101.
"They are not villified and if they win they are eventually glorified." != "They are eventually not vilified and if they win they are glorified."
But regardless, the implication that nowadays nobody thinks Saban is a slimebag is preposterous. Practically everyone thinks he is except Alabama fans. A successful coach, obviously, but also a massive bag of slime.
and then we have decommits after the bowl game. Plus a bunch of pissed off players.
Thank you Dave Brandon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've seen this episode before.
RR will have to wait until after the 2011 bowl game to find out whether he has a job or not. If he's retained, he'll get to deal with all the bitching and moaning about how the recruiting class wasn't as good as it could have been. Which is okay, because then he'll have a built-in excuse up his sleeve for why the depth chart still isn't deep enough. Which will piss off his detractors even more -- and then everyone will have to wait until after the 2012 bowl game for DB to decide what happens next.
the most likely reason for the waiting is the fact that his buyout decreases in the new year.
I don't think the buyout comes into play at this point. RR's contract requires 30-day written advanced notice of termination without cause -- which I believe means we have been within the window where Brandon could still save that $1.5 million by making his decision and notifying RR in writing now.
I expect DB is going to do what he said he would do. He is going to take his time, wait until the full season is over (which includes the bowl), and then make a complete assessment based on what he has in front of him. He doesn't strike me as a shoot-from-the-hip kind of guy whatsoever.
This bowl game needs to come soon so we can keep these recruits