in my nightmares
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
in my nightmares
This day is starting of great!!! I 'hoke' things get better real soon! DC anyone?
Not necessarily posted yet, but has been mentioned in the Frost posts. Even though this was already pretty much known, it still sucks.
Ahh, thanks. I was going to read those but I saw two threads with a bunch of comments in each and I wanted to make sure I chose the coolest one, but I didn't know which it would be so I just avoided them altogether!
It's all good. The bad news just keeps piling on though.
Its the duck and coverrr
He's listed as "soft" verbal to Miami....he's visiting USC, but with our new DC I'm wondering if he'll change his mind at all
I'm hoping we are able to get on track here real soon. I'm not sure how much more I can deal with...we should be locking up recruits we already had and gaining more commits at this point. Feels like we are still going in the wrong direction.
I have been out of the loop this past week. Any good news or big names coming our direction?
Sucks to lose Crawford, he was one of my favorite commits. He is going to be a beast for the Canes. Hopefully we can keep Countess and reel in McClure and/or Raven (both would be great).
How come there is no recent word on him.
And losing Crawford sucks, but if you don't want to be here then have fun elsewhere. I'm not gonna lose sleep over kids like this.
with offers going out to two more corners that Blake may have a change of mind. I hope not, but do we really need five CBs in a class of 15 (please) give ot take a couple?
Sorry, but I have lost all hope for this recruiting class now.
Why? It was expected that Crawford would eventually leave after the RR firing. I am not getting too down unless this weekend is terrible for the recruits (which I doubt).
Frost is all but gone. Crawford is gone. Devin Lucien is gone. Jake Fisher is 50/50 now. It's not looking good...
What is everyone's feelings about Fisher and the chances he re-commits? If he goes elsewhere, is it Sparty or somewhere else?
It's pretty much between Michigan and MSU. I don't know what to think anymore...I thought Lucien was a sure thing but that was "shot down". So, I have no clue....
Good thing we showed Lucien the door because we have enough 4* WR's and those scholarships are looking a little tight given all the guys we have lined up. I am sure Hokester will have a veritable flood of guys in 2 weeks.
agreed! this is one that makes little sense to me...
They apparently wanted him as a DB...but it seems to me it would be better to take a solid WR than lose him completely. Especially since we don't have a shortness of scholarships...
We aren't exactly short at receiver (13 on scholarship and none graduating this year). And when you sarcastically say we have enough 4* WR's, take a look at what we have next year:
Stonum - 4*, Hemingway - 4/3*, Odoms - 4/3*, Roundtree - 4/3*, Stokes - 4*, T. Robinson - 4*, Gallon - 4/3*, Miller - 4/3*, J. Robinson - 4/3*
That's 9 WR's that were a 4* by at least 1 of Rivals/Scout. I'm sure Hoke is worried about a lot of other positions before he worries WR. Since we just took 5 WR's last year, there are much more important spots on the roster to fill this year.
It's not next year that I am worried about. Look at the first 4 names on the list and when they graduate. In any event, my point wasn't that we should offer a WR at the expense of getting a quality DB. It was that if we don't fill the class and have extra scholarships (that might not even be useable next year given the B10 cap of 25), it will have been incredibly foolish to not offer a quality guy like Lucien
Kellen Jones is sold to Michigan again.
news, truly. That should get its own post and link, to keep people off the ledge.
I loved Crawford b/c he looked like a playmaker, but if we pull McClure we can salvage at least this position in this class
seems strange to me that the higher rated Cali guy doesn't have an offer from Southern Cal while Crawford does.
And Thomas Rawls is visiting on January 28th.
Really? Where did you see this?
That kid has serious stud potential.
then I'll take the trade. Both are higher graded and bigger. I think Hoke is looking to add some size and I'm not terribly upset about that. Now, I'm hoping for size AND speed but you know...
I agree. McClure is now ranked the #4 corner to Scout. Raven is ranked around Crawford. Though I still believe Crawford is underrated.
I like Raven the most out of those three, but the one thing you can't argue about with Crawford - even if someone questions his size or speed, his production speaks for itself. He's had about 10 picks in each of the last two seasons and even had some great numbers as a quarterback.
Michigan fans hear that Denard has decided to quit football altogether and seek the priesthood, Brady Hoke is the anti-Christ, David Brandon forces all players to get the number 666 tattooed on the inside of their arms and the Big House is bulldozed to make room for a really really big chemistry lab.
Knock on wood...
What are you going to tell me next, we rehired Gerg?! Hopefully some Hokus Pokus can start flowing!
Hokus Pokus... *giggles*
That's just wonderful. My level of optimism has nowhere to go but up.
Thank you, DB, for this. If we were going to hire Hoke (which I think was a good move), why did we wait until January 12, again, as opposed to, you know, December 1?
We counldn't have pulled the trigger then because all the coaches DB wanted to talk to were all under contract and all prepping for bowl games. No University s going to give BH permission to speak with their coach then. It's a timing thing.
This year's recruiting class will not be impressive. We all knew this was coming. I look at it this way-- I'd rather Hoke & Co. lose them by being up front and honest rather than keeping 'em on board with lies and deceptive talk. Integrity rocks, man.
Let's hope he really is the dynamite recruiter everyone says he is and kills it with a full year of recruiting. We then need to hope all the kids from next year are super studs and college ready by there sophomore years when this class will be juniors.
A small, underwhelming 2011 incoming class will show its effects in the 2014 season. These guys will be redshirt juniors/seniors and traditionally a team's biggest contributors.
...Hoke has a kicker in line to replace Goudis, Chris Bryant seems like he might be back on board, we have people lined up to replace the lost Crawford commit (McClure, Raven, Taylor). And Flowers isn't out of the question.
Considering Alabama rebuilt his HS football field or some such, I doubted that Hart was going to Michigan, RR or no RR, especially with Mark Ingram declaring. So I don't think it'll be significantly worse than it would have been anyways except for losing out on Frost (and I'm curious to see what the Mattison hire does for that...).
coming in for an official this weekend? I know McClure is scheduled to come in. But I think it would be great to get those 2 guys in together -- so they can envision the dominant secondary we will have 2 years from now.
Already is posted but that butt shot makes us all feel better about it .. Thanks
They pulled a 3* corner and a 2* kicker, hardly grounds for an NCAA recruiting scandal
I generally try to avoid recruiting all together before the actual signing day because it changes so much, but this does look pretty nuts all together. Kind of scary for down the road.
But, my positive spin is that Hoke seems to have done well (so far at least) in the most important recruiting area, which is keeping everyone who is already at UM here and getting them all on board. I know not getting these freshman sucks, but remember how disasterous / poisonous the situation was when Rodriguez lost some key guys to the NFL and transfer and didn't get buy in from a lot of the guys who stayed around. All in all, I think avoiding the crap that happened to Rodriguez is more important to the long term future of the team (and Hoke's job) than getting these guys, as painful as it is.
In the wake of Frost (hopefully will still consider M post in-home visit) and now Crawford, hopefully we can get positive news like this:
4 star CB from out west scheduled an official, had been recruited by Coach Hoke at SDSU.
going to be a fun 2 weeks.
We kinda knew about this for a week now...
Not necessarily a news flash...
Geoff Vogt is all about Dallas Crawford. If you ask him, he would tell you that he is of the opinion that Dallas is the best all around football player in the entire state of Florida.
Most of South's games this year, I can tell you that Dallas isn't even the best player on his team.
I dont even know what to say...i have just had a bad feeling ever since the bowl game...we are not going to have a good recruiting class...They are gonna have Denard in a pro style offense...This just screams transfer after spring ball.
However, I really feel as though Denard is solid with this team. He will be here till the end. Will show how a QB can and will throw and run for over 1500 yards for the second straight year in two different O systems. DRob is here to stay.
Fuck Al Golden! Piece of shit!
This recruiting class has been (and will continue to be) an emotional roller coaster. If I wasn't at work, I would be drinking, heavily.
who change their mind on a dime ruin your day?
Surprise. Fire a coach in January and the recruiting class goes to shit.
Everyone knew crawford was gone there were rumours before RR was fired. No doubt it sucks but Hoke isnt going to be looking for the same kind of players RR was. It is admirable to keep the the players you were left with and try to work your offense/defense around them but to recruit more guys that dont fit your scheme is unheard of. Hokes players are going to be big and tough both physically and mentally, and have a fanatical love for the game and what is michigan and accountability. Im not so sure Hoke wanted to touch Crawford like he does the other kids. Seriously Id say Hoke pulls a few solid recruits this year 15+ or so given the time he has to work with but next year we have a top 20 recruiting class.
If Hoke is the recruiter they say he is, M has a top 10 recruiting class.
Next year, not this year.
How's that Kool-Aid taste?
Hokes players are going to be big and tough both physically and mentally, and have a fanatical love for the game and what is michigan and accountability.
Oh come on now. I hate when people start framing the past recruits/coaching staff as not getting the "right kind" of kids and throw around nonsense like "love for the game." This isn't a Disney movie, and I'm fairly certain that everyone RR recruited is as tough and passionate as anyone Hoke will bring in. And for all the talk about Ninja Slot kids, RR's teams are just as big as most of the other teams in the B1G (Wiscy always was huge), and were a talented bunch. I know that the old guy is gone and thus it is officially time for the fanbase to turn on him, but stop it with crap arguments like this.
It was never meant to be an argument, just a joke about the press confress. I realize we are all under diress as a result of this years recruiting class but lighten up. I never meant for anyone to read into it that Crawford couldnt be used, hes a beast, just that we were most certianly going to suffer casualties with the coaching change. Everyone is freaking out and pointing fingers because of the recruits that we lost, that we may have never had in the fisrt place. No one seems to be giving any credit for retaining current players an even bigger feat in my opinion.
I am really starting to not like that guy.
As if my dong wasn't the consistancy of mashed potatoes already, this would be a damaging dong punch
getting decent advice, someone is probably telling you that Michigan has another transition ahead, with a dog's body of an offense while Borges works Denard like a (very fleet) boa constrictor through his system. . . with another steep learning curve for all concerned. If you're a really promising player and want to play on a winner, you may not choose Michigan.
Nothing against Hoke, but this was still a cock-up by Brandon. Luckily, not too many of these lost players would have contributed strongly next year.
My fellow UM fans - please stop freaking out. Honestly what good will it do you to freak out? Number one - the day the RRod craziness started two guys were guaranteed to be gone: Dallas Crawford, and Dee Hart. These two guys had built a great relationship with the previous staff - the likelihood they would stay was minimal. Secondly, Crawford is an EXCEPTIONAL cornerback and will do great with the Hurricanes but there was an obvious hatred he started having for Michigan even before Rich was fired (when the writing was on the wall I suppose). The animus he had towards Countess at the AA game was just one example. He wasn't coming to Michigan whether we hired Les Miles or the ghost of Bear Bryant. The same with Dee Hart - those ships sailed.
Kris Frost I believe can still be salvaged but I might be in the minority. I am also of the belief that you will lose commits when coaching changes occur because historically that's true. I am not going to blame the entire coaching staff or Dave Brandon for a group of kids who were more committed to the previous coaching staff than to Michigan. I doesn't matter who the coach is and how long he has a chance to recover the recruits, eventually if you are more committed to the previous coach than the university, you will end up transferring anyway.
Best of luck to Crawford. I'm not surprised that he is going somewhere else - he really liked the old coaches, and I doubt he's excited about coming into a new situation with no real connections to the past regime.
Sure, its going to be a pretty weak class with a lot of disappointing decommits, but what should we expect based on how DB handled this? We can't change any of that, and Im sure Hoke and his staff are evaluating and making decisions based on how to get UM back to football glory ASAP. It won't happen over night, but one bad class won't kill us for 4 years either. If Hoke is as good of a recruiter as people say, then this debacle will be a blip on the radar. Its going to come down to developing the talent we have and winning games this Fall...after that then the rest will fall into place. Let's hope Denard and Borges get something special figured out, because that defense will get better.
Sorry, I needed to get that out of my system.
now dead to me.
Dallas Crawford is a passive aggressive pansy. "Virtually" having a temper-tantrum on facebook about not making the All-Star game, and then taking shots (at that time) another future teammate, Blake Countess, who did make the All-Star game.