Whatever Dallas decides to do I wish him luck. He will / would have been a nice addition to this class, but I agree with the OP on this. A nice DT or something would be a great addition that we desperately need in this class.
Dallas Crawford Decommit.
Yeah we will just pull some DT out of the blue
How is the situation any different than RR coming in and pulling say Roy Roundtree out of the blue? All it takes is a parent and kid who buys into what Hoke is selling.
is that Hoke is less of a known commodity than Rodriguez was when he was hired.
The reaction of a lot of recruits/committed guys has been "I don't really know anything about him", which makes it a lot tougher to bring guys in in a 2 week period.
I was the D-line coach for the 1997 National Champion University of Michigan Wolverines. We had arguably the best defense in the history of college football. I'm back and ready to repeat. Want to give it a shot?
Hi, I'm a high 3-star/low 4-star DT who hasn't signed already. 1997 you say? Wasn't that, like, a long time ago?
I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just saying that expecting any HS DT of note to not be interested in Michigan at first, but then be reminded that Brady Hoke used to coach there and decide to commit is a bit of a stretch.
Do they say that to OSU, Miami, or Oklahoma? You act like H.S. football players are completely ignorant of anything that happened outside of 10 years ago. Newsflash - there are nice recruits who don't sign with the SEC, there are still kids who remember Michigan being a powerhouse (I believe the game in 2006 was called the game of the century), and there are defiantely parents who still respect the University. It doesn't gaurantee anything, but it probably still earns him a phone call.
Hold on: the point was that Brady Hoke's name should have cache because he coached an awesome D-line 14 years ago. I'm saying I'm not sure a HS recruit would give a shit about that.
Miami (YTM) is a good example--a team that hasn't been killers for a few years. If their new HC walked into a recruit's house and said "hi, remember me? I was the position coach for a really good defense 14 years ago. Wanna sign?" I don't know how much weight that would carry.
I'm not saying Hoke can't recruit or that the block M won't open doors and take phones out of pockets, but to suggest that the reason this will happen is because he was a position coach a long time ago (to an 18 year-old) seems like a stretch.
were 4 years old in 1997.
If you were a defensive player, would you WANT to be recruited by Rodriguez? The recent track record showed little ability to develop defensive players outside of the natural maturation of an all-world, five star recruit named Brandon Graham.
But the NFL players who say he is a great coach are like Brady and Woodson to name two
the chances of us just pulling one out of the blue is slim not to mention we have plenty of spots for Crawford and the mystery DT.
okay, so this is how it works? I tell you something about the board, you go up stairs and type it in. At least give your husband some credit. Try this...
"My husband just mentioned that there is room for this mystery DT and Crawford." See that wasn't so hard.
If you want credit then you should have posted it first. Now you look like you are trying to steal my idea but claim it was yours in the first place.
oh no you didn't just try to turn that around. now it's time to call the mgomarriagecounselor or better yet I should boot you off the wireless server.
I'm going to be the bigger person and +1 and then I'm going to Starbucks before heading to Bible study. The mgocommunity can think what they want about MY idea to have a DT AND Crawford and YOUR idea to kick me off the server :)
because this is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life
If you can continue the battles in future threads I will make a beveled guilt donation in the happily married couple's name
thanks... I think. I wish I had an audio recording of us saying the things we were posting out loud in the house. She was upstairs i the office and I was downstairs in the living room. I would here her yelling "yeah like you never steal my M-GO-THOUGHTS, " and then see she posted a reply to my post. By the end we were both laughing so hard it was tough to post. we will try to entertain more often.
I do want it to be known though that it is all in jest. I am blessed to have married a wonderful person that has NO past ties to Michigan but has embraced my obsession.
even better. My fiance is an ND grad who now violently roots for M. She is still ND first, as I am now ND second, but she loves the program. She's the one who pushed for the club seat season tickets (which, expensive, but worth every penny).
what the fuck is going on here?
my wife, who posts every once in a blue moon, decided to jump on here and post on something we were talking about (in regards to OP.) then I got on to her for stealing my idea and the rest is history. it may be the first time she has posted/stolen one of my thoughts but since I OFTEN post things she says while I am reading through the board (out loud) I figure it's only fair.
It's all good! She is the best thing in the world and we are just playing around. I don't think she remembered that it was all on the board and not just us.
Sure, you have been stealing her ideas all along.
I will definitely admit that there are plenty of times that I am reading to her threads and she will say, "well you should reply _______" and then I do. This happened to be a time where I said something and she posted it.
Sad to say but my fiancee is on here as well. She is a Florida grad who worships you know who. She got tired that I spent all my time here so wanted to sign up. Now, I have to go to her yoga class every week and teach her golf.
Sorry to get off track. BH will have an interesting couple of weeks with players not transferring and getting recruits.
The Defensive Tackle Tree is right next to the Money Tree.
Will Campbell! Wait a second...
Is there any chance Hoke can get big Will back on track to being a contributor for this team?
let's hope he can bring dallas back into the fold.
not anymore it's not.
I honestly thought he was one of the most promising recruits in the class. It seems like a pretty big loss to me.
Agreed, especially depending on what happens with Countess. I thought they were the most promising DB recruits in the class.
IIRC Countess has said that he will be coming to Michigan no matter what the coaching situation was. Hopefully he is still coming because I think he will be pretty good.
but is still considered pretty likely.
Ah gotcha. I guess I must have missed that somewhere. Either way I hope he sticks in the class because we need him. Hopefully Hoke can get some of these guys back on board (Dallas, Fisher, Countess if need be). We need to somehow pull together a decent class in the next 2-3 weeks.
"I guarantee Zettel goes Blue" BKFinest it!!
In keeping with my meme, I think the biggest hit that Michigan takes in these decommitments is to its national image. The loss of a talented kid hurts, but the appearance of decommitments hurts national reputation and further recruiting efforts in 2011. This, I believe, is the biggest damage done by a decommitment at this point.
Care to bring any facts to the table to support your speculative claims?
Well, he did fairly well on the offensive side. It was the D recruiting that foundered. His three biggest recruits were Turner, Campbell, and Dorsey. Two are gone; one now is a third-string OL. I don't hear much about Bell. Plus Lalota, Emilien, etc. Of the D recruits that remain, it's unclear how many of them (if any) have star written all over them.Maybe one or two. But there are a lot of undersized guys out there.
Do you think maybe recruits wavered because his job was always in question? Just maybe?
of decommitments is mitigated when the CC involves two completely different systems. When you're getting decommitments from a CC where the same system is ran, in that case the image is much worst.
In this situation, the national perspective focuses more on the system in place vs inward system; rather than the new coach.
Most of the recruits going through a CC consult their HS Coach for advice on their applicability in new scheme etc...Sad to say but if this happened during Denard's recruitment, he would be at FL or Central FL right now.
Regardless, you're going to gain some and lose some. We will probably have a “Boren” or two as well. Heck, we may even get some transfers ourselves...i.e. D Arnett next year. He is a B10 guy...not SEC. He will soon realize that, possibly before signing day. I see him potentially coming back to Michigan!
I hardly think a couple decommits now will have any impact on what recruits will think next year, especially after a full year of recruiting by the new coaching staff.
While bringing in a nice DT would be great - we do currently have a very solid d-line. As far as recruits who could have an immediate impact, I was thinking Dallas Crawford was on the top of the list - given our current secondary. Hopefully Hoke will call him and plead his case.
I wish the recruits would stop toying with my emotions.
I dont know if it has been mentioned but i think we may see at least 1 TE.. i know RR was looking to bring in 1 with Tabb seeming to be the focus ... we are not very thick at the position as Koger will be a Senior
Well Tabb has dropped us too. If I were Brady Hoke I'd be going after Frank Clark for Tight End and then whilst he's in Glenville, make a play for Cardale Jones, as we really need a QB in this class.
RR got some to visit, but he had no connection to LC and didn't get any to commit. Ginn Sr. hated LC after his son didn't get an offer. Brady Hoke coached with LC and was his choice. This is Michigan. 3 strikes and you're out.
Not according to Sam. The last two mornings he has said that Ginn Sr. likes Hoke and has great respect for him. Not sure if that translates into commits, but it sounded like an improvement over recent history.
Sorry no link, I think today he mentioned it during the recruiting roundup.
This is a huge blow to this recruiting class. Hopefully coach Hoke reaches out to him and brings him back, if not I wish Crawford the best of luck.
I wish he would talk to Hoke once before he made this decision. I just feel anyone who gives this guy a chance will be won over.
He has the benefit of being at a major college, but these kids have never heard of him as most of them he never recruited. To the recruits he is a no name and most of them thought RR just needed more time. Dallas has said as much in regards to RR only get two full recruiting classes.
On the bright side Michigan and Ohio have exceptional HS talent next year and we should be able to sign a full class. OSU only has 13 available scholarships for next year at present.
would at least talk to Hoke? This recruiting class is looking very, very thin.
huge loss. We needed this guy. But whatcha gonna do -- this is going to happen with a new coach. Just have to weather the storm, hope some of our less heralded corners come thru.
Hoke has an impossible task to salvage this class in less than three weeks. That really sucks DB waited so long to decide on Rich Rod.
DB put Hoke (and the recruits, too) in a bad position by waiting so long to make a decision
that DB apparetnly had already made in his mind in November.
I hope Hoke is on the phone working the recruits hard trying to get them all back on board.
Would hate to lose him if this ends up being the case, but it's the one position where we can survive it, most important thing is that this isn't the first domino in a series of decommits. Sorry, but pun intended.
the Dominoe Theory.
So...less than 3 weeks before signing day and we are down to 13 commits, none of whom play QB or WR. And that's assuming Goudis remains committed, which is up in the air.
This class is going to be a fucking nightmare in a few years. I don't know if it is in the top 40...
I agree that it will be a sinkhole, but if Hoke can shore it up somewhat and all of the underclassmen from the past few years continue to pan out, UM will be able to survive. Other teams have the random poor class (though to be fair, rarely this bad), yet still recover. We'll see, but hopefully Hoke can rally the troops in the next couple of weeks.
Completely agree with His Dudeness...This class could haunt us. We are lack of talent in many areas (I think we would agree DEFENSE) & getting a piss poor class is not going to help going forward. Plus, national perception that UM is losing, has a no name coach in their eyes & recruits aren't spurning them is not good.
It's not all doom & gloom, but I think this Hoke transition could be as ugly or more so than RR's 1st few years. Keeping all the current players is HUGE because they're not filling behind them in recruiting right now.
Hopefully Hokemania can poach the shit out of some studs before signing day....
I will only caution that Dallas may change his mind once Hoke gets in contact with him, and we don't know whether or not this has happened yet. Kids are fickle and can change their mind, so who knows. But yeah, huge loss for this recruiting class, though honestly at this point I'm not surprised. This falls completely on DB, and I hope that nobody forgets this in a couple of years and blames Hoke and/or RR.
I agree, Dallas may change his mind. The issue is time. With this weekend cancelled. There are 2 weekends to visit. That will be tough with new coaches.
sucks....hopefully hoke can work da 2-minute drill 2 perfection and snag sum late high-quality recruits
I'm reserving judgement until LOIs are signed. I still think a lot can happen between now and then. In any case, freaking out about it doesn't help.
His biggest recruiting job is Denard Robinson.
enough of the press conferences, interviews and luncheons. Get to work on recruiting, please.
"Quite a big DB class" ???
Not compared to the NEED, it isn't.
we need to start targeting every available 3 star (and likely 2 star) recruit left. Unfortunately it appears this recruiting class is doomed. DB really hamstringed Hoke with the late hire. Now we will have to wait even longer for Hoke to get decent talent to fit his system. He is certainly not set up for success. Although I respect DB's notion to "do what's best for the players" in regards to the bowl game, what about the players' experience next year and their chance for future success?
So he decommitted BEFORE having a conversation with Coach Hoke?
That's not Hoke's fault or Brandon's. Some other coaches out there are snake-oiling our kids (as evidence by the recent quotes from Denard's HS coach).
gave an interview where he blasted the crap out of Dave Brandon and said that if Brandon had just handled all this in December, Crawford and a bunch of other guys wouldn't be looking around.
Whether that's fair or not, it sounds like all this was very much a factor.
He decommitted BEFORE Hoke was hired. But then Michigan was still a finalist.
Now he's dropped Michigan completely.
but we had coaching limbo so we didn't get anybody. Like it or not most kids commit to a coach who they have built a relationship with over time. BH didn't recruit many kids of Dallas' ability at his previous HC jobs. It was well known that Dallas was going to decommit unless the new coach was someone who had previously been recruiting him (Miles).
Michigan players don't criticize their future teammates. I'm glad Dallas wont be representing Michigan.
What? Where did you read anything like that?
Posted a link to his facebook where he was bashing Blake Countess
The top part got cut off but it Dallas said he thinks the 2 best DBs are Karlos Williams and Deanthony Thomas.
I agree that Karlos Williams and DeAnthony Thomas looked like the two best defensive backs in those games, but some of those comments about Countess are silly.
Some people get offered because of their size? Is that why 5'10", 171 lb. Blake Countess got college offers? Because he's so huge?
It aint over till the fat lady sings, we have time before signing day to talk with all and get them back. Verbals arent final and we may see some other teams verbals become our signings. Also should see some names we have not heard of from the wwest coast as coach Hoke settles in, right now staff is job1.
and also remember, signing day is not the LAST day guys can sign - it's the first one...obviously, the majority of the guys will have made up their minds, but there will still be some opportunities.
any word from TomVH about Hoke's SDSU recruits and how many he might bring? I've been off the board for 18 straight hours for the first time in a week...
get on the phone with Dallas
we have a coach that wants to improve the defense. Doesn't make sense. More to the story obviously.
We fired the coach that recruited him and brought in a new coach 3 weeks before signing day that he's in all likelihood never heard of.
I understand that there is a lot of uncertainty for some recruits these days, but he committed to Michigan at a time when the head coach was on the hot seat, all signs pointed to the DC getting sacked at the end of the season, and the Michigan defense appeared to be in a downward spiral. Assuming we get the DC situation figured out ASAP, he would still have the opportunity for playing time, but would be working with a defensive-minded coach. For a defensive player, I don't see how the current situation is worse (again, assuming that we get a decent DC sometime very soon).
He'll have to wait until tomorrow to call him
EDIT: My bad. They are allowed one phone call per week.
This is the thing that irritates me the most about Dave Brandon's insistence that his timeline would not hurt things long term. It absolutely does, because this weak class will be redshirt juniors/seniors in Hoke's fourth season -- the guys that will be relied on to lead the team and most likely be the biggest producers.
It's clear DB put Hoke in a tough situation by making his decision late.
However, I think the biggest issue with recruiting is an aura of negativity surrounding this program for the last few years. Even when RR was doing well at the beginning of both seasons, there seemed to be this overhanging suspicion that all was going to fall apart as the season went on. Sure enough, it did, and it made it harder and harder for RR to recruit when people were whispering behind his back that he may not be around much longer. Transition to Hoke, where all these former players and coaches are speaking out for him. I know they were partly (mostly?) responsible for RR not getting a fair shake early on in his career at Michigan, but their voice means a lot. To have Braylon and Hutch and some other guys supporting our new coach is starting to bring some of this positivity back to our program. I think we all could do a little part in trying to help this along, as it will go a long (but not necessarily statistically-based) way in helping recruiting.
According to Rivals, Dallas has said "That ship has sailed."
It's unfortunate because he might have been the best DB in the class. I like Countess, but I'm not too high on the other two.
First off ESPN recruiting is not top tier.
I'm pretty sure Dallas hasn't even spoken to Brady yet and Michigan doesn't even have DC. Or a DB coach. So this song isn't over yet.
Given that he's probably never heard of Brady Hoke, I'd say our chances with him are pretty darn slim. He wants to stay in the south.
The "he's never heard of him" argument is getting tires. How many of us hadn't heard of Hoke before a few weeks ago? How much do you know now? WHat if he came to your house and told you about himself and his philosophy for 4-5 hours? It doesn't take long to get to know a guy.
Recruiting takes months if not years including multiple visits and many hours with the coach and (as important) the position coaches. If you hire someone with a long pedigree at big time programs or a lot of current hype, you overcome having a much shorter timeframe to get someone on board. If you hire someone like hoke who still doesn't have any position coaches you can't realistically expect top prospects being courted by high profile programs to get comfortable after 4 or 5 hours. Hoke doesn't have the same snake oil credentials rr did (biggest plus is he is a "Michigan man" which doesnt mean much to kids in Florida or Texas) so expecting miracles in the next 2 weeks probably isn't fair or realistic
Oftentimes it does. But not always. Look what Dooley did at Tennessee last year. That guy was even more obscure than Hoke. You're dealing with impressionable teenagers. They can be impulsive and emotional. They get swayed for the most random-seeming reasons. Plus, some players that like Michigan but didn't like RR are out there. Imagine how many of them wrote M off due to RR's struggles and job-security. Michigan isn't Troy State. Plenty of kids will listen to Hoke. Some will jump.
The timing of Crawford's announcement (this morning) isn't a good thing given that Hoke said he would be calling each recruit last night. I'm sure Dallas was one of his first calls. How did that conversation go?
Hoke: Dallas, I love Michigan. Love it to death. This is greatest university in the world and we are building a TEAM worthy of this institution. So tell me, do you want to be part of that team?
Crawford: Is your name Rich Rodriguez?
Crawford: Then I'm going to the U.
I mentioned this in a different response, but aren't we in a dead period and he can't call the recruits until tomorrow?
Dallas told me 2 days before Hoke was hired that UM was still his #1 choice but was looking around to have a backup plan. If he truly has dropped us, obviously he doesn't feel comfortable with Hoke. I Hoke makes a strong push for Dallas, I think he'll end up in AA.