It's to be expected after seeing 3 last season.
DAB: Alternate FB Uni Plan Forthcoming
personally i hope it is the pro combats from BHGP. those were sweet.
No, just no.
1. Traditional home
2. Under the lights
3. Rams horn road
4. Plain white road (which was actually worn at the same time as the rams horn roads)
5. Bumble bee road
6. Sugar Bowl road
I didn't realize how bad it was until I wrote them all down. Three or four uniforms will be far less schizophrenic than last year's mess. I didn't even consider the helmets, of which there were three. They wore helmet numbers with grey facemasks for UTL and the Sugar Bowl, no numbers for WMU, San Diego State and EMU, and numbers with blue facemasks for the Big Ten season. In total there were seven distinct uniform combinations last year.
what were the 'rams horn road' jerseys?
I'm pretty sure the "ram's horn" jersey referenced above is the 2010 away jerseys that were worn by some players because the 2011 fitted jerseys were too stretchy and tore too easily. The "ram's horn" is the ugly yellow side-panels/piping.
You can see the ram's horn wrapping around Denard's left side.
Plan white road
Traditional home without helmet numbers
Under the lights
Bumble bee road
Traditional home with helmet numbers
The Sugar Bowl uniforms minus patches are my favorite road uniforms. The stripes essentially replace the numbers on the plain white roads and piping was deleted. If they would loose the maize around the numbers I think it would look really nice and somewhat traditional but I subscribe to the less is more philosophy of uniform design.
the piping around the numbers is by far the worst thing about that jersey. but i don't know why they couldn't just be plain all the way (nothing on the shoulders either) with blue numbering. every single non-trad design just looks like it's trying way too hard.
The Sugar Bowl things were awful. A junkyard of white/blue/grey/yellow stripes, patches, piping, numbers, etc. etc. etc.
Needs moar holograms.
Traditional home with UTL helmet numbers.
I mentioned it as the seventh distinct combination but didn't put it in the list. It was kind of a stream of contiousness post so probably wasn't formatted very well.
Is that we win. I may hate the uniform we are wearing, but if we win then who cares?
I've always thought that If you needed synchronized dancing in your music video to sell your brand, no one really thinks you're an "artist". Likewise, if you need gimmicks to get media attention, then you're saying you're brand is not that strong.
Love it. Hoping for all blue or all maize. Ill take all white as long as the jerseys are not the ones from the MSU game. Those sucked and we lost.
But wouldn't you agree that the Michigan and B1G brand have been tarnished over the last few years. Michigan brand is obviously on the rise due to the great job Hoke and the staff are doing, but the B1G as a whole are using alternate uniforms. Like Brandon said, the student-athletes are the ones that enjoy them. To be honest they are the ones that matter, without them there is no Michigan brand, it doesn't matter what you think, i think or anyone (outside of large boosters) thinks except the student athletes.
Don't get me wrong i hate all of the alternate uniforms, i wish we had two uniforms, with an occasional UTL type occasion with an alternate. But the point i was making is that if Michigan can use alternates to regain the respect of the football world then eventually the product on the field will outweight whatever stupid alternate uniform the team is wearing.
"If Michigan can use alternates to regain the respect of the football world"
It's gotta be true. Maryland is now one of the most respected football programs in the nation, no?
"if Michigan can use alternates to regain the respect of the football world then eventually the product on the field"
Michigan's brand HAS been tarnished the last several years, but if you think wearing a gimmick uniform will gain the respect of others in the football community, then I feel you don't understand what the Michigan brand is(don't mean to sound like a condescending A-hole). Only winning on the field, good academics and our student-athletes staying out of trouble will restore our reputation. To me, Michigan was always about: Winged helmets, no advertising in the stadium, no piped in "arena" music, and no gimmicks. We had tradition and the respect of everyone. By 2016, Brandon will have made "The Noid" our official mascot and going to the Big House will be like going to a Piston's game. Even though I love the Pistons, that makes me sad...
No i understand the Michigan Brand (also not trying to sound like an ass) but the point i am making is a uniform doesn't matter for the Brand. The Brand is much more than that. The Brand should be about what Michigan football is all about and that is The Team and winning the B1G Championship. A uniform is a part of the appearance of the Brand, it won't define the Brand but it will appeal people/players to the Brand.
I think everyone is mostly on the same page when it comes to this, but the disagreement is arising from the idea if Michigan should following suit and continue to shell out these alternate uniforms to bring more appeal. Again, the appeal doesn't help or hurt the Michigan Brand, that is set in stone, but the appeal can attract more to teh Brand.
Sorry if this makes no sense.
Winning will get the respect of the Football world. If Chip Kelly left Oregon last year for the pros, and Oregon dropped off the face of the earth, nobody would care what they wore. For all this talk about future recruits and how much the players like it, it's really irrelevant. Players want to go somewhere that wins
This is where DB, yourself, and other commentators go wrong. The athletes and coaches on the team today are caretakers of the Michigan Brand, they are not the most important part of the Brand. In fact, all students and faculty, all alumni, ex-players and fans comprise the brand, and the brand is also about the reputation of the university and teams. This idea that if the athletes like it everything is fine is completely wrong.
I'll also assume that you don't care if your caretakers came with one star or five, as long as they are happy in your choice of uniform.
Snark can be fun. But you either missed or ignored his point that UM does not belong to DB, nor any single current collection of players. Their likes and dislikes are not as relevant as the need for Michigan to maintain it's identity and ties to generations of not just 'football', but Michigan Football.
"Caretakers" is a tremendous description of everyone associated with Michigan, and should especially apply to those actually making the decisions. There is a difference between the change and innovations brought by a man like Canham, and the current "me too!" approach.
But the point i was making is that if Michigan can use alternates to regain the respect of the football world
If there are people that don't respect us because we don't wear alternate jerseys, 1, fuck those people, and 2, why would their opinions ever matter?
lots of these kinds of arguments were heard way back when the Mens Basketball team changed from the 70'-80's look shorts to the much longer shorts. If the kids playing and being recruited like what they are seeing, is such a bad thing to concede some issues to them? Michigan has plenty of other traditions to stand firm on.
Except it's not just longer shorts, it's a multitude of things. We now have in tons of piped-in music, which is fine as long as the songs are original (Enter Sandman at VT), and advertising on the scoreboards. To add, we are changing our uniform constantly and it just doesn't look good. Oregon's own "tradition" is their ever-changing uniforms and now everybody is trying to copy them but the Michigans and Marylands of the country aren't even doing it well as the uniforms are just plain ugly. I'm just waiting on a mascot to appear to make me feel like I'm at a NBA/NFL/minor league baseball game (and those game day experiences suck).
Dave Brandon is chipping away at our tradition slowly but surely. Yes, we most definitely needed to modernize aspects of Michigan but not gimicky things like unoriginal rock music, advertising, too many uniforms to count, and/or a mascot. I'm tired of people saying that the players like the uniforms because I'm starting to think that either they have extremely bad fashion sense or they're blind. There should of been no bumblebee uniform against Michigan State and no bowl uniform against Virginia Tech (though the latter does look good, it shouldn't of happened). We should of had ONE special uniform this year which was the ugly-but-not-as-ugly-as-bumblee-unis against Notre Dame as it was a special occassion that will never happen again (it being the first night game, not other night games).
Tone down the maize from highlighter yellow, keep those home jerseys the same, and change our road jerseys to the Sugar Bowl uniforms without the outlining of the numbers. After that, keep everything the damn same and stop changing the fucking uniforms.
Who said anything about "needing gimmicks to get media attention?" Why would you assume this has anything to with media attention at all?
No, I am adversely possessing your lawn.
seems to be a fashion show going on these days. Why are we having to change the uniforms? Who or what is behind this fashion trend. I know in these days of cheesy doritos taco shells at Taco Bell that nothing is sacred and everything can be better with a little imagination but I don't think this is about being better as it is about just being different. Plain is clearly out and extraordinary is in but some things like our helmets must remain unchanged.
I don't even like Doritos but sweet baby jebus that is a delicious taco!
If we are going to have alternate unis, hopefully they can at least be able to coordinate the shade of maize throughout
We are Michigan, fergodsakes, and our home uniform happens to be the best one in American sports.
USC and Alabama haven't worn stupid gimmicky uniforms and they seem to do just fine recruiting
I'm not a fan of the alternates, but USC and Bama enjoy some pretty inherent recruiting advantages over many many schools. And besides, Bama has worn pro-combats as well.
I agree with you, but when did Bama wear pro-combats? I don't think that's right.
I honestly can't tell how that is different. Are the pants dirtier?
Michigan has changed the road uniforms every two or three years anyway. When it comes to road uniforms there is nothing historicle at all. Home uniforms haven't changed since Tom Harmon was playing. I wsh Michigan would just use a white version of the home uniform (the 2011 Northwestern game unis were close) but that doesn't seem likely.
USC and Alabama haven't really changed either uniform ever. There was a time when Alabama and Penn State had what were considered ugly, old fashioned uniforms. Now they are cool. Michigan has always updated for the times...at least on the road. If I had to guess I'd say going forward there will be four uniforms, three of which we'll see on a somewhat regular basis. 1) Traditional home 2) regular road 3) alternate road 4) home night game.
Well you can CHOOSE to buy the new uni or not, right? That is what I LOVE about America. While we're at it, I want the M athletic department make money because it pays for shit like stadium renovations, new scoreboards, and also supports non-revenue generating sports.
It gets really OLD reading all the hatred of profit on this board. Buy it or don't buy it. Better yet, go tell your boss you want your pay cut by 50%, so the company doesn't need as much profit. Sheesh. Third idea...move to fucking CUBA.
While yes you can choose to not buy something or not comment on something if you dont like it lets be real here.
Who did teached you about the Michigan tradition? Your father (mom)? Your Grandpa (grandma)? They told you about stories of Wangler to Carter, Hello Heisman, The Trip, Bo/Yost/Canham etc. and most importantly how those Wings on our helmets came over with Crisler.
Now we have all made fun of how garish these uniforms make us look ie something you would find at Wal Mart, now imagine your a 10 year old kid who just likes Michigan and you just have to have a UTL jersey, your 10 its OK to make stupid decisions. You think this stuff is alright, you do not necessarily have someone to tell you about all of the above tradition.
Next thing you know your 30 have 3 kids and you continue to purchase the above crap for all your kids, trading looking "cool and hip" for the flavor of the week jersey and you never bother growing that tradition/fandom with your own kids and next thing you know we go from being of the more knowledgable fanbases in terms of knowing our own history to suddenly being just an excuse to get drunk on Saturday.
That is why we dont need more jerseys, 1 a year MAYBE but when DB starts throwing around jersey roadmaps we may as well go full Ducks and change the wings to chrome.
of my comment...it had nothing to do with the uni argument at all.
If anything I tend to be a traditionalist w/respect to the uniforms, etc. I don't mind an exception here and there as long as it's not overdone. I was with the minority that liked the UTL experiment, but once a year would be good.
Along the same line, I was very glad they kept the brick theme for the stadium renovation. They did a great job with that.
What's up man? How are things? Sorry I didn't get a chance to talk more with you down there, hope the rest of your time was well spent...
Teached? "Your" instead of "you're?" Come on man, you can do better.
Next thing you know... ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!!!!
Who did teached you?
If you have your pay cut 50% doesn't that raise the company's profit?
That they are the color of the grass at Michigan stadium, so that the defense can't find our players on the field.
I'll see you green uniforms and raise you maize and blue turf, Boise style...
And raise you maize and blue uniforms that change to match your maize and blue turf depending on what part of the field you're on.
People wouldn't be able to watch us on TV without suffering from seizures and epilepsy because Denard is so fast...as he went from the 40 to the 30 to the 20, it would look like a maize and blue strobe light.
When did we decide it was a great idea to be like Oregon with uniforms? At this rate, look for maize away jerseys, reversing the color scheme on the helmets, and wearing bulbous red noses.
"For football last year, we probably did a little bit more than we’ll do going forward in terms of variety"
Well, at least there's that. I hope it's limited to one every couple of years, but somehow I doubt it will be. We don't need alternate uni's for every big game.
All that matters.
No it isn't.
No, it is. We as fans tend to think we are a lot more important than we actually are. College athletics is for the athletes.
College athletics is for the athletes.
Who would be playing in the same actual, reused jerseys from ten years ago just like they did in high school if nobody cared enough to have an opinion.
So anyone who paid 80 bucks to watch the EMU game should be able to tell the AD what to do?
To be blunt, yes.
And if we're going to play the logical extremes game: The AD should totally ignore the opinions of the people who provide his program with money?
wait and see ..I really don't have a big problem with alternate uniforms for a couple games ..Especially if the players are for it...
I see this comment:
The coaches like it and the student-athletes like it and the recruits are enamored by it. So why wouldn’t we?
And that is the end of the matter, because it's their program.
It's our money that supports the program, so it's our program too. We can cast our vote by choosing to buy or not buy.
Man, I hope DB doesn't mess with our helmets. I wonder what Coach Hoke's take is on all this? Not what he'd say in public, but what he'd say in private. I'm thinking they might be two different things.
He already messed with the helmets. He put numbers on them. The players liked it so much they're staying on there.
Looks like your fabled ideal of Michigan football is crumbling uniform change by uniform change.
You think DB came up with numbers on the helmets? Better check your history brah.
"because it's their program."
No, it isn't.
Does anyone else on this board feel like the legacy of the original Star Wars movies have been permanently corrupted by the increasingly ludicrous things George Lucas has done with the franchise? (Indiana Jones is heading down this path as well.) Sure, it's his creation, and he can do what he wants with it. But don't you wish he hadn't? And after Episode 1, did you trust him at all not to screw up 2 and 3 just as badly? The uniform conversation is the same thing. You take a classic and start messing with it, and odds are it'll come out worse. And after the MSU debacle, do you trust the powers that be to get it right going forward?
Solo shot first!
Blame BART wifi
I'd love to have you say that to a current or former player and see what their reaction is.
Just as I'd absolutely tell Lucas to his face that I disapprove of what he's done. Do you think Bo would have changed the jerseys because "his players wanted to"? No. He'd have taught his players WHY he wasn't going to change them, because he understood, and wanted them to understand, what they represented. No one is born understanding the significance of the things that make Michigan stand out from the Oregons of the world. I had the advantage of growing up in Ann Arbor the son of two alums, so I got a taste of it at an earlier age than most, but even I didn't really grasp a lot of it until I'd spent a few years on campus. Of course 17- and 18-year-old out-of-state recruits are going to enjoy alternate uniforms, because no one's yet taught them about "Michigan, Fergodsakes," and what that entails. But that doesn't mean we should throw out what it stands for just because they come in thinking these snazzy new jerseys are cool. I doubt I'd need to say that to a former player: they'd say it to me.
It really clues you in to who loves the actual school and the actual team versus who loves the idea of the team that they've created in their heads or acquired from the local walmart.
My love for the school and the team has to be unconditional?
I've never jumped off a bandwagon due to losing seasons (forever a Lions and Pistons fan), but my favor can certainly be lost if standards lower and compromises are made otherwise.
Michigan isn't my child that I have to love and support even when they get suspended from school for smoking in the bathroom and shitting in the water fountain.
Well said. And the sentiment has been growing stronger every year.
I was a fan of the Red Wings even when they were the "Dead Things".... their style of play and team make-up would determine more of how much I watched them than their record. For me, Michigan has a much larger foundation of history and tradition, and that means all these little tinkering, remaking, re-imaging's have less of an effect (again, for me), but they do have an effect.
Who loves the idea of the team more than Hoke? "This is Michigan, forgodsakes." After the most disappointing stretch of football in two generations, Hoke comes in and says that? How far from the facts on the ground at the time is a statement like that? Hoke's words can only be interpreted as referring to an ideal. And Michigan has always been about an ideal as well as a set of young men on the field (or men and women in the classroom, etc). Loving the ideal is part of Michigan fandom. To pretend otherwise is disingenous.
If the coaches,kids,and recruits like it. That is all I care about..The whining about the Uni's, the helmet sticker, the stadium remodel, the adding of suites, the amped in music, the no free water, this and that is tiresome..
Who's whining about the stadium reno?
Don't get me wrong, I love tradition, but I think some uniform changes are pretty cool. I know it's a slippery slope, I get that completely, and that's what worries me more. The thought of becoming all flash is scary, but the uniform changes themselves, in a vacuum, is ok with me if the players and coaches are on board.
will also be wearing the uniform every week. That would be cool.
As long as he's wearing the alternate maize jersey
I'm fine with this as long as he rides a motorcycle and breaths fire. I hear recruits love fire so we should be good to go with that.
Glad to have you back on the job...
...seems to be working perfectly. +1 to you
In 13 games last year, Michigan used 7 different uniform looks
- Western Michigan: Standard home uniform, standard helmets. (1)
- Notre Dame: UTL "Heritage" jersey, numbers on helmets. (2)
- Eastern Michigan: Standard home uniform, standard helmets. (1)
- San Diego State: Standard home uniform, standard helmets. (1)
- Minnesota: Standard home uniform, mismatched colored numbers on helmets (3)
- @Northwestern: "Standard" road uniform, numbers on helmets (4)*
- @Michigan State: "Bumblebees of Doom of which shall never be spoken again"**
- Purdue: Standard home uniform, mismatched colored numbers on helmets, pink accessories (5)***
- @Iowa: "Standard" road uniform, numbers on helmets (4)
- @Illinois: "Standard" road uniform, numbers on helmets (4)
- Nebraska: Standard home uniform, numbers on helmets, American flag patch (6)
- Ohio State: Standard home uniform, numbers on helmets, American flag patch (6)
- Virginia Tech: Sugar Bowl Specials (7)
Ignore the patches and helmet numbers for a moment: Ultimately, there were five jerseys last season. That is more jerseys in one season than Michigan used in the previous 35 years (standard home, Schembechler stripes road, 1997 road, Henne/Hart road, Adidas horns road).
I realize it's a money maker and the only way that this doesn't happen in the future is for people not to buy them, but I said it yesterday and I hold to this: If you need an event and schedule to "roll out" your jerseys for the 2012 football season, you have too many jerseys.
Also, in all of this, and including the fact that they have done pretty well with mulitiple "heritage" looks for hockey, they keep ignoring the Schembechler stripes road. I know part of this is a concern that football jerseys really don't have sleeves anymore, but come on..
That's just a good looking jersey right there. What would be wrong with a Michigan team taking the field in that look?
*-There is an irony in saying "standard road uniform" since half of the team were wearing the new TechFits and half of the team wearing the road uniform from 2010.
**--I have a thesis that while passing in the Trash Tornado wasn't helping matters, wearing one jersey for warmups and then going in to the locker room and CHANGING YOUR ENTIRE JERSEY, including pads, was not exactly helping the team focus before the game. Not saying it's the reason Michigan lost. I am saying I can't think it helped.
***---Yes, I'm counting it.
Only the home uniforms are sacred to me. I have no qualms over playing around with away jerseys, but I want my kids to see the same outfits on their first visit to the Big House as I did x years prior.
It's funny b/c not long ago people would get flamed for suggesting all maize jerseys for a night game...
THE PROPHECY IS TRUE
come out and said that they are in support of new Michigan jerseys? Have the coaches come out and said they want to play postseason games in warm weather? If you're reading this Heiko, this might be something worth asking at the next press conference; start with Al Borges in case this question only makes the coaches dislike you more.
At this point, I actually want Dave Brandon to start selling advertising in the stadium for Football Saturdays because it would be about as confrontational to the idea of Michigan tradition as he could be. It would also be a direct challenge to Ann Arbor Torch and Pitchfork to see if they (we) would actually do something to protest certain methods the AD could use to make money for Michigan football. Right now, I'm convinced that Dave Brandon will be able to make Michigan Football Saturdays as generic as professional sports by the end of the decade.
Michigan and its fans seem trapped in a space between the historical and the modern. It's a difficult predicament. What voice do we want Michigan to have going forward? The history of Michigan football is well known, and I don't think uniform changes will tarnish that. It will always stay preserved. So I say bring on the modern. The players love it, the recruits love it, and personally I'm excited to see what the voice of Michigan Football can be. You don't know until to try, right?
Well stated. Simply put, a new uniform for one game does not change who Michigan is or ever was. If new unis offer even the slightest chance to gain interest from a new generation of fans (i.e. recruits) than so be it.
CJ, I'm not against "a new uniform for one game", as you put it, unless it's a downright abomination.
However, see Yostal's post just a few above yours. DB's had them in 7 different uniform looks in 13 games in his first year on the job. With the Bama game, that's now 8 looks in 14 games.
If a kid is selecting a school soley, or even largely, based on the phreshness of the uni's, let him go to Oregon.
To be honest, I am far what you would consider daring or rebellious when it comes to my preference for uniforms. I love our traditional home unis but i am all for trying a new one out once or twice a year for big games. That being said, I was very surprised when I saw the calculation of the total amount of different unis that was worn last year. I guess I fall middle of the road. A little change can be exciting without falling in the trap of being the Oregon of the Midwest.
All it would take is a new tv contract with ESPN to get these, since Disney owns the rights to both.
I'm sure some variation on these would draw the recruits like Whoa.
The coaches should all wear these. If they like the alternate uniforms so much they should have to wear some kind of bizarro sideline gear. Like, maybe Hoke should have to wear long sleeves or something . . .
AMERICA WILL LOVE US!!!!!!!
(in a football edition of course)
In honor of Denard Robinson, every future Michigan football player will receive a helmet with dreds sticking out the back. The football team will then be forever referred to as the Michigan Predators.
Our home uniforms are the college football masterpiece. Don't touch it. For myself, I prefer that darker navy blue tint and darker yellow from the Braylon era. I know that color scheme has been addressed but I trust my eyes....and our blue and yellow seem a bit off now. If we are going to experiment on the road then I wouldn't mind the UTL jerseys in white with blue block M. I think that would look pretty nice and still keep the kids happy.
What do you guys think about honoring a specific team or era for our roads for an entire year? For example we unveil the '69 team's road uniforms as our road uni's for the year.....maybe add a small...SMALL...sticker on back of helmet in honor. Thoughts??
I hate that Michigan broke tradition and went away from the leather helmets.
impressed if they actually wore leather helmets.
Let me know when bumblebee stripes and alternate jerseys and helmet numbers and such improve player safety, then we can bring the switch away from leather helmets into the discussion.
Can we please try out blue pants for our away uniforms? I've been wanting to see this for years and it's a pretty conservative experiment.
See West Virginia's away unis. It's the same thing you propose.
I already know what it would look like since I've seen chops of it. WVU usually wears yellow pants with their away's, though. Unless they're wearing same color jerseys/pants.
I didn't like the MSU bumblebee uniform. The rest, well, it didn't matter that much either way.
Regarding numbers on helmets, I kind of like them, but like the blue facemask better than the gray. However, I don't want to go back to helmet stickers, which were around when I was a student.
The trick is to have a classic, timeless look, without being trapped in the past. Times change, and so does the look of everything. Just to mention five other obvious changes:
- The color of maize used in uniforms, etc.
- The font and shape of "Michigan" painted in the endzone.
- Changing not only the size but also the design of the scoreboard.
- Eliminating the "Michigan" text that was superimposed over the Block M.
- Moving from the 60ish pressbox and art deco "Michigan Stadium" letters to our current sleek luxury boxes. (Yes, I know the art deco letters are hidden somewhere in the concourse, but they are about as visible as the basketball championship banners now stored at Bentley.)
While I loved the art deco letters, I think every other change above has worked. Which is my way of saying that uniform change is ok with me. The key for me is to be classic or clean in line and look. The bumblebee, and many Nike Pro-Combat jerseys, are ludicrous and an embarassment.
The reality is that there have been several uniform changes over the years. Perhaps because we are now in the Internet Era, such changes are scrutinzed and critiqued much more than ever before. Twenty and Thirty years ago, the first anyone would see or hear of a uniform change would be at the opening game in the Fall.
I've gone on record for hating the alternate uniforms since the standard traditional ones are so classic and changes are just gimmics. HOWEVA - I would be open to seeing blue pants with the blue jersey for a home game or while pants with the white jersey for an away game. That might be cool if it is really necessary to have alternate jersey day. But all this piping and wacky designs on the jerseys are not for me.
It's just my opinion, but I'm not a fan of same color pants and jerseys, which is why I want to see blue pants on our aways, but we have tried far more radical options. I actually think blue pants with the maize block M and a yellow belt would look pretty damn nice.
(Edit: was in response to profitgoblue. Failed to place properly.)
So, something in your post reminded me of a problem with the opposition to change. And that problem is the setting up of straw men.
- Change that is wacky: clearly bad.
- Change ONLY for the sake of change: usually bad.
- Change that is extreme: usually bad.
- Change that is a gimmick: usually bad.
The problem is that not all change falls into the above four categories. While the "Procombat" mockups over at BHGP are hilarious, and the bumblebee MSU design was a travesty, all change need not be so ridiculous. I don't want to see Michigan so thoroughly opposed to change that we become closed to ANY change.
The change to Michigan stadium really is analogous. There were some quarters out there who bitterly opposed the luxury boxes, and the fact that the seating bowl would never be egalitarian, with wealthy corporations and alum no longer mixing with the hoi polloi. Let's get real. The wealthy had seats on the 50 yard line, and Joe Blow didn't really "mix" with the upper crust all that much with the previous stadium seating. I think there is a large consensus that while something was lost, the overall gain with the change in adding luxury boxes was a good thing. They are tasteful and classic in design, bring in income to help keep the team and the entire athletic program afloat, and keep costs for the rest of us from skyrocketing.
Well, I think there can also be reasonable change to uniforms that doesn't have to be wacky. And you know what? I would rather be open to change that fails (exhibit A: halo. exhibit B: bumblebee) than to never even try something new and different.
I hear what you're saying but my ultimate question is why? WHY do changes to the uniform need to be made? The Michigan uniform always ranks high in polls about best uniforms because their uniforms are great. Why go and change great? What is the reason people feel the need to change them? Its a rhetorical question but I'll never understand. I get the Padres camo uniforms to honor the servicemen and women. That's cool. And I even get the NFL's idea of wearing throwback uniforms. But why the need for new designs that aren't going to be used going forward? I'll never get it.
But I think you're also setting up a little bit of a straw man. Change for a purpose is not a bad thing. A lot of us who get called Luddites and told "the players like it so shut up" and so on are not "opposed to change," we're opposed to change just for the sake of change. Which is what alternate uniforms are at least toeing the line of.
Here's an example of a uniform within my time as a student:
It looks ok, but personally, I like the current uniform more. And I like the loss of the Wolverine stickers on the helmet too. Now, to tell you the honest truth, both this one and the current one would be ok. This isn't a hill I'm gonna die on. But somehow, the photo above is a slightly dated design to me. The bumblebee I don't like, and the ram's horn I don't care for. But I'm fine with the piping, and the color change, and a few other changes.
I like to use all one color when I play NCAA '12... maybe we should use an all-maize uniform, or all blue? I hope you're listening DB... imagine it.
so we'll have something stupid to wear when Sparty crawls into Michigan Statium wearing their stupid looking away version of last year's game uni's.
NIKE IS THE WORST. I'M SO GLAD WE'RE WITH ADIDAS SO THAT WE DON'T GET SOME DUMB LOOKING PRO COMBAT UNIFORM. IT'S ALREADY A TRAVESTY THAT WE EVEN HAVE TO WEAR THESE DAMN FACEMASKS ON OUR NON-LEATHER HELMETS. THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD PUT UP WITH THOSE FRILLY JERSEY MARKETING PLOYS.
- Everyone on MGoBoard since we ended up with Adidas.
I'm not quite to my breaking point but boy am I getting there. I just want them to take the numbers off the helmets and use the traditional uniforms. I really feel like the numbers take the focus away from the wings. I mean for the love of god all of the fashion designer said we have the best uniforms in football, so why are we trying to screw that up... Join me as I shake my fist in the air on my soapbox.
There were actually two different "traditional home jerseys". There were the techfit jerseys and the plain blue home jerseys that the team has been wearing since 2008, making it 7 different uniforms, or 8 if you count helmet numbers as a different uniform combo. Really drove me nuts how some players wore the techfit jerseys while others wore traditional adidas uniforms that they team has been wearing since 2008.
I have no problem with the occasional hype/throwback uniform for big games in college football -- but it's always better and more special when they're used sparingly. (I'm at least grateful that this alternate uni stuff will apparently happen less often next season at Michigan.)
They're also better when kept relatively simple, like Notre Dame pulling out the lucky green shirts, or teams going for the monocolor look by changing their secondary-color pants to match their shirts (e.g., Florida and Texas A&M below).
Simple is always better -- that's what makes Michigan's normal uniforms so classic. Two-color scheme, clean lines, iconic helmet, no gimmicks, looks great. Think of other classic uniforms in sports -- the Yankees' pinstripes (I hate the Yanks, but it's a great uniform), the Dodgers' blue and white, the Cardinals' red/white/blue w/ the Birds on the Bat, the Cowboys blue and silver with the iconic star on the helmet, the Red Wings' basic red and white and terrific logo -- they're all simple and clean and don't try too hard.
That's why I hate the new gimmick U-M jerseys so much -- they're not simple, they're cluttered and ridiculous. "Victors" and "Valiant" on the undershirt sleeves? Huh? And what's up with all the damn stripes? (It's just Adidas self-promotion.) I actually thought the block M on the front of the UTL jerseys looked good, but the shoulder stripes were just too busy next to the stripes on the helmet. And we can all agree the bumblebee road jersey for MSU was an abomination.
If they want to experiment with road jerseys, I can live with that, as long as it looks good. (i.e., no stupid top-of-the-shoulder stripes, and get rid of the silly maize border around the numbers.) But don't mess with the home unis except on the rarest of occasions.
I wish Dave Brandon could have been at the bar I was at for the MSU game last year. I took quite a bit of shit from people who didn't have a dog in the fight just based on how ridiculous we looked in the bumble bee uniforms.
Were you at "The Place" on State St in Boston? Its the alumni bar for gamedays. Everyone is in maize and blue and the staff plays the marching band over the speakers. Then to top it off, they provide free food during the game. If u havnt been, I recommend checking it out.
Haha no I was out by where I live in Framingham. I'm actually not an alumni. Do you think that would be a problem there?
I don't think not being an alumnus is any problem at all. I've gone down there a few times and its pretty cool. Probably the closest gameday atmosphere you can find in MA. A few yrs back when the bball team was playing at Harvard, they were selling tickets for $13 each and we had our own Michigan section at the game. Definitely check it out if you get a chance.
Double post. Lousy cell phone reception.
Yeah, good thing the only possible uniform that could look worse was worn by little bro. That game was a joke. I hope they don't put a bounty on Denard again this year and just play. Cowards.
crossed my mind. It is the logical next step, but so cruel-nay, so illogical--in its implications that I doubt the nature of morality, the soul, and reality itself.
All-maize uniforms will be announced next. And while I feel like these could actually be done well, I fear the worst:
Can we cover uniforms and old recruits tomorrow? Please I need more! What if they took an away Jersey and wore it with blue piping, or did you hear that Frank the Tank is starting this year at Arizona? Man it sucks that we missed on recruit #116 that year.
it's nto about us. It's not about alumni or fans. It is about the brand..and the "brand" is very much affected by football. UVA is an academic equivalent. Their athletics don't have the tradition that UM has, because of football. We are here because of football. People watch because of football. The other sports matter to a lesser extent, but football is the reason many people first hear of the school. So protecting and building the brand is directly tied to football. It would be the equivalent of saying that Coca-Cola makes a lot of good products, but the "brand" isnt hinging on Coke. Of course it does...your signature product has the biggest effect on the brand.
Regardless of whether we (fans) or alumni like whats going on, the kids do. They are the most important people in this system and like someone so eloquently posted months ago..they are the consumers in this equation. If kids are drawn to different uniforms, then lets do different. Personally i prefer the variety (to a point), but with anything I don't like...I just won't buy a tacky new jersey. I'll continue to wear my MAIZE #2.
I think at a point youc an become mired in tradition and it can become detrimental. (ND) We are complaining about the tradition of the Rose Bowl and how it could be preventing the B1G from taking the next step nationally. Uniforms won't prevent Michigan from becoming "bigger" per se...see Penn State.. but if it's the difference between attracting one more 4 or 5 star kid a year, what's the harm?
btw I have yet to see or hear a high school student say Oregons Unis are ugly. But then again they also loved Maryland's...
but if it's the difference between attracting one more 4 or 5 star kid a year, what's the harm?
How many kids have you ever seen announce a decision, and then say, "School X had kickass alternate uniforms, and School Y didn't have any, so that's why I chose School X"
Nobody has ever said that, and nobody ever will. Because as pop-culturey/flashy as my generation is, uniforms are at the bottom of the list when it comes to picking a school (in fact, you could probably argue that uniforms are exclusively for the fans). Winning, coaching, and facilities are always Top 3. I said it earlier and I'll say it again, if Oregon started losing games and were just a middle of the pack .500 team nobody would give 2 cents about what they wear. But since they've gone 34-6 the last 3 years, with 2 Rose Bowls and a National Title appearance, everyone is focusing way too much on the Uniforms, when in fact they don't have anything to do with it. Winning does. It's why Alabama, USC, and Michigan have always been able to recruit well, because we win all the freaking time.
Brady Hoke is proving that uniforms don't mean a damn when it comes to recruiting. We've really only had 2 ridiculous uniforms so far, but Hoke is still pulling in amazing players because he is selling them on the program. Players are taking pictures of themselves wearing Michigan jerseys, and aren't saying "I wish they had something besides this boring Maize and Blue", Michigan sells itself, we don't need Alternative Jerseys to try and help
No. No. No. Just no.
Didn't Brandon say that the uniforms will not be changed and it was just a special ocassion for UTL, and then right after go to Bumblebees for MSU. Did someone actually think that was a good idea?
A recruit who wouldn't come to Michigan if we didn't wear alternates is not a recruit we should keep anyway. Nebraska, PSU, and Alabama have all had success in the last few years without crazy corporate logos with on the field play and recruiting. I bet coaches don't even talk about what uniforms they'll wear when recruiting them.
Michigan will be wearing Maize jerseys this season, I expect it.
Brandon will make them due to the success of the Maize jerseys in basketball and hockey.
I'm personally holding out hope that this will be the season we go with a real throwback look. Like Horace Prettyman. Oh, we can wear modern unis, but handlebar mustaches for all!
I'm no alumni, but rather a huge fan of Michigan football. I think I understand where the traditionalists are coming from on this. Michigan has always been the John Wayne of football. We don't need anything but our actions to leave our mark. Michigan has always been smash mouth football. That type of no nonsense, no flash, no hype football. So to see all these small things "pretty us up", it feels a bit like we've forgotten who we are and what we stand for. I think it becomes even more important than, that our actions speak louder than our words, or in this case, our uni's.
I don't think I've ever seen more 5's and -1's in one board as long as I've been visiting this site. Apparently this is a touchy subject.
On to the subject at hand.. Personally, I think the most "traditonal" aspect of the uni's are the helmets. If we ever see those wings taken off the helmets, then I'd say it's time to get seriously pissed.
I'm a little indifferent about the uniform changes. I think it just depends on the route DB is taking. If he can minimize the changes and still keep the standard uni in check minus a couple of big games a year where they change it up a little, I'm probably fine with that.
However, we are not Oregon. And we definitely aren't freaking Maryland. Just please, please stay away from THAT.
Side note: I actually dig Oregon's style, but it's good for them - not Michigan.
Sweet! It's just a matter of time until we sport some metallic wings. Everybody else is doing it so how about we don't?