D Zone Article on Urban Meyer and Negative Recruiting

Submitted by Blarvey on

http://www.thedzone.net/2014/07/top-recruit-ohio-state-trashes-michigan…-

The whole piece uses an anonymous source to relay what happened on a recruiting trip to OSU back on May 31, especially Urban Meyer's bashing of UM. I am not familiar with the site so if it is questionable or whatever, feel free to remove this.

Some highlights (emphasis mine):

 

After a standard day of touring, the players and their families were brought into the Ohio State team room for a meeting. In the meeting, head coach Urban Meyer talked to the players directly about the state of Michigan, the University of Michigan, and Michigan State University. Meyer pounded several topics mostly about the University of Michigan into the players and their families’ heads, according to Anonymous. “It was in their team room. There were probably about 70 recruits and family members in there. All the coaching staff agreed with him [Urban Meyer], they loved it,” Anonymous said. “It was basically bashing over and over. They called them ‘the school up north,’ they wouldn’t even call them by their name.” Several topics were brought forward from the coaching staff during the meeting, but Meyer was the leader. “It was really Coach Meyer that was talking bad.
A key point of the meeting was the lack of respect for the Michigan coaching staff. “They talked a lot about how [the Michigan] coaches like to blame losses on the players. And how the Ohio State coaching staff would never do that and accept their part of the loss. How the Michigan coaches wouldn’t accept accountability for something they did wrong.” “They always wanted to pin it on ‘Oh well, Devin Gardner didn’t do this, or Jeremy Gallon didn’t run fast enough on this play, or Taylor Lewan wasn’t blocking hard enough on this play.’ They were saying that the coaches are responsible for that so don’t blame that on the players. They just don’t have good enough coaches.” Paralleling the Michigan coaching staff, was the lack of player development in regards to the “high level” recruits that Michigan gets. “Another point is that the player development, from a standpoint of them having some of the best players in the country and still not being able to win more than seven games, Rose Bowl, or a National Title.”
“They spent a lot of time focusing on Michigan rather than themselves,” Anonymous said. “When we went to Michigan, they didn’t talk about Ohio State at all.”

SECcashnassadvantage

July 17th, 2014 at 9:18 AM ^

It's true about player development, but Hoke doesn't blame the players. He always always always says we need to do a better job of coaching the kids. Meyer recruits SEC style and he should because it works. He still is an ass and this shouldn't surprise anyone.

jblaze

July 17th, 2014 at 9:22 AM ^

all this shows is that Meyer doesn't have any class and attracts similarly minded players (we already know how their fanbase is).

umalum16

July 17th, 2014 at 9:22 AM ^

This wouldn't make me angry if it weren't for the fact that I have literally never read a single quote from any of our coaches that disparaged a single player in an improper way.

I have also never seen a single one of our coaches use an excuse that didn't relate to the youth on our team, and even when they say that they say it's no excuse and they have to get the players they have ready. Even using that excuse, I've never seen them blame a single loss on any mistake of any player. EVER.

Seriously, listening to this guy is like listening to a politician who just lies without regret because he knows his supporters will blindly believe it, and then get away with it no matter how false he is proven to be. Sad thing about society today - facts don't matter, which bubble you live in does...

Haasman15

July 17th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^

I was speaking to the player development aspect. Very little growth on the field, and that's definitely something that's used against them in recruiting. Yes, they faced a great deal of attrition, and have a young team, but that's not the case anymore. Nothing to fall back on this year. They need to win and win often. This team is stacked with talent up and down roster. Hoke & Company need to show they CAN develop talent, and then everything else will fall into place.

UMgradMSUdad

July 17th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^

Win at any cost, whether it be shading the truth or anything else. Yup, sounds about right.  It is Ohio State, afterall, and that's a far cry from Michigan, fergodsake.

readyourguard

July 17th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^

I think the guy behind DZone is a young kid who covers high school football around Michigan.  He seems to have somewhat of a rapport with a few kids.  I used to follow him on Twitter but the dude can fill up a TL in no time.  That said, A) is it any surprise Meyer stoops to to name calling?  B) we give our kids IPads, too.  It's equivalent to a play book.  Meyer simply played to the gullability of youth and proclaimed it to be a perk.  Again, see A.

pdgoblue25

July 17th, 2014 at 9:31 AM ^

get it done, Michigan could go through another 3-4 year transition/tailspin.  There is a lot riding on this season, and improvement must be shown.

Wolverine 73

July 17th, 2014 at 9:33 AM ^

Who knows what sells an 18 year old, but I like to think that I would have been really put off even at 18 by that sort of crap.  Tell me what's good about your school and why I will like it, develop as a player, fit in, and enjoy myself.  I will evaluate the other schools on my own and see what I think.  If I were there as a parent, I sure as hell would tell my kid to stay away from people who approach recruiting that way.

GoBLUinTX

July 17th, 2014 at 10:06 AM ^

speaking to those that wish to be defined by what they are, rather he's speaking to those that wish to be defined as what they are not.  Those parents and kids that see through his message, he doesn't want them....he wants the kids with chips on their shoulders.  Yet I don't see this strictly as an Urban Meyer issue, it's my impression that it's just the way OSU does and has done business at least as far back as Woody Hayes.  After all, even Bo had his pair of gold pants.  Urban Meyer just fits the mold of an OSU football coach like a sweater vest.  

Incidently, John Cooper, by most accounts, didn't fit in the same mold as those before and after him.  

WhoopinStick

July 17th, 2014 at 9:34 AM ^

I didn't have a very high opinion of Urban before he went to Columbus - and he has done nothing during his time there to improve my opinion of him.  

maize-blue

July 17th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^

His method works for some recruits, others I'm sure can see through it. Those are the recruits that UM wants. It's pretty obvious that UM targets guys with goals both in and out of the classroom. Urban Meyer is a good to great college coach and can/will stockpile a shitload of wins but I don't think he'll ever be considered a great man or be considered a model example.

reshp1

July 17th, 2014 at 9:46 AM ^

Urban Meyer's recruiting style gets the kind of player that recruiting style gets. Hoke's recruiting style gets the kind of player that recruiting style gets. And I'm OK with that.

ST3

July 17th, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^

is a walk-on. I'm not sure how much recruiting was done there. If a player with ability wants to play for your program and pay his way to do so, I think you give him a chance. If he messes up once, you punish him accordingly and watch him closely after that.

jmdblue

July 17th, 2014 at 10:20 AM ^

I think the images we had of Hoke recruiting v. Meyer recruiting are beginning to show to be true.  It will be interesting to see where Damien Harris winds up.  He always struck me as a kid who would react better to teh postive message.

reshp1

July 17th, 2014 at 9:57 AM ^

Also, who's more likely to throw their players under the bus? the guy that spends most of his recruiting pitch talking shit about someone else, or the guy that focuses on their own positives?

Evil Empire

July 17th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^

And it reflects almost exactly the conversation I had with my best friend from high school when we saw eachother at Christmas after our first terms at Michigan and Ohio State.

He: At my orientation, my RA told three Michigan jokes.

I: That's interesting, I didn't hear my RA mention Ohio State in four months.

That was a different era, as Gordon Gee's greatest 13-13 win took place that autumn after four straight UM wins, but I think that supports the larger reality: saying nasty stuff about Michigan is deeply ingrained in the OSU fan mentality, regardless of the current state of the rivalry.  Dicks will be dicks.  Sure would be nice to get a win though.

LSAClassOf2000

July 17th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^

"The real question is how many of those top-level recruits choose to go to Ohio State based on just the negative talk and I-Pads?"

I suppose my guess at an answer is "less than perhaps they would like to believe". If the presentation described in the article is that over-the-top about Michigan, then it probably is well past the point where good salesmanship ends and into "unintentionally comical" territory. The way it is described, it is almost the presentation an overzealous fan might give, and if coaches are trying to project that image, be it on their own head - I suspect a lot of recruits would rather hear them talk about the sort of experience they will have at your school and not sit through a PowerPoint which pushes the potential for schadenfreude and a contrived message that, in the end, may only be effective if you felt that way about Michigan in the first place.

EGD

July 17th, 2014 at 10:09 AM ^

If I was Urban Meyer and wanted to say negative things about Michigan, I would think I could come up with much better arguments than those in the article.  For instance:

-- "At Michigan, the classes are much harder.  You are competing with people who want to be doctors and lawyers, not car salesmen and retail managers--so the work you put in to get a B at Ohio State will get you about a C- from that school up north.  So if you want to play school, go ahead and sign with Michigan.  You want to play football, come to Ohio State."

-- "At Ohio State, we have lots of pretty girls.  Not only that, but a good percentage of them are dumb and lacking in self-esteem.  That makes it very easy to get laid as a football player.  Now that school up north, sure--they have their share of attractive women.  Not as many as Ohio State, but some. They probably even have a handful of football groupies.  But who are these ladies?  Most of them are smart, highly-motivated, high on self-respect.  They aren't going to just 'give it up' to some dim-witted meathead because he's got a letter jacket and a Leaders Division ring.  So for most of y'all, if you want to get a piece, Columbus is where you need to be."

-- "Now Ann Arbor is what they call a 'walkable town.'  Means you don't need a car to get to and from most places you'd want to go.  Well, who likes walking?  Me, I like driving; more specifically, I like driving free sports cars from the local dealership.  So if you want to walk, go put on that winged helmet.  If you want to drive, go with the Scarlet & Gray."

Mgodiscgolfer

July 17th, 2014 at 10:27 AM ^

but it should be. I have never heard in all the years of watching UM football heard a coach call out a player by name, EVER. With the exception of a punter who was supposedly supposed to kick the ball rather than try and run it for a first down. I am sure had he ran and got the first down he would have been following orders. This was of during the courseof the RR years and I have never been so mad at a coaching staff since, excluding the Detroit Lions.

Avon Barksdale

July 17th, 2014 at 10:27 AM ^

Just win, baby, and the rest will take care of itself. The 1990's are about to come back upon us. In the last 25 years, the series is tied 12-12-1. We are due for a run of 5 out of 6 and it starts in COLUMBUS this year!