D Zone Article on Urban Meyer and Negative Recruiting
http://www.thedzone.net/2014/07/top-recruit-ohio-state-trashes-michigan…-
The whole piece uses an anonymous source to relay what happened on a recruiting trip to OSU back on May 31, especially Urban Meyer's bashing of UM. I am not familiar with the site so if it is questionable or whatever, feel free to remove this.
Some highlights (emphasis mine):
After a standard day of touring, the players and their families were brought into the Ohio State team room for a meeting. In the meeting, head coach Urban Meyer talked to the players directly about the state of Michigan, the University of Michigan, and Michigan State University. Meyer pounded several topics mostly about the University of Michigan into the players and their families’ heads, according to Anonymous. “It was in their team room. There were probably about 70 recruits and family members in there. All the coaching staff agreed with him [Urban Meyer], they loved it,” Anonymous said. “It was basically bashing over and over. They called them ‘the school up north,’ they wouldn’t even call them by their name.” Several topics were brought forward from the coaching staff during the meeting, but Meyer was the leader. “It was really Coach Meyer that was talking bad.”
A key point of the meeting was the lack of respect for the Michigan coaching staff. “They talked a lot about how [the Michigan] coaches like to blame losses on the players. And how the Ohio State coaching staff would never do that and accept their part of the loss. How the Michigan coaches wouldn’t accept accountability for something they did wrong.” “They always wanted to pin it on ‘Oh well, Devin Gardner didn’t do this, or Jeremy Gallon didn’t run fast enough on this play, or Taylor Lewan wasn’t blocking hard enough on this play.’ They were saying that the coaches are responsible for that so don’t blame that on the players. They just don’t have good enough coaches.” Paralleling the Michigan coaching staff, was the lack of player development in regards to the “high level” recruits that Michigan gets. “Another point is that the player development, from a standpoint of them having some of the best players in the country and still not being able to win more than seven games, Rose Bowl, or a National Title.”
“They spent a lot of time focusing on Michigan rather than themselves,” Anonymous said. “When we went to Michigan, they didn’t talk about Ohio State at all.”
Their pizza is garbage. Pretty much on plane with Pizza Hut. That's why I'll never eat Papa Johns.
"It's home to the most narcissistic, self-loving douche CEO of all time"
I always wondered if Urban has a kid, is he named Suburban?
I am sure of this: as bad as Columbus has always been, Urban blight there is now far worse than ever.
I know everyone is different, but it would be off-putting for me to hear a coach recruiting me just talk bad about another school. It comes across as petty and I little desperate to me.
And I don't say that just about Ohio. If I was at Michigan and they spent significant amounts of time taking shots at ND, MSU, or OSU, it'd leave a bad taste in my mouth, but maybe that's just my style. I'm sure some high schoolers eat it up, but I'm not sure this recruiting tactic is as effective as Urban thinks
Of an incident that I ran into a month ago while taking me 11year old to try out for a soccer club. He tried out for 2 clubs, "Club A" was a pleasure to be at, and the next one "Club B" was an hour and a half of coaches and directors talking bad about Club A.
This is for 11 year olds soccer.
Which one does Klinsmann run?
Have him go to that one.
I just want to know where they're getting that from. I can thnk of plenty of times the former coaching staff may have blamed losses on the performance of players. But I can't think of a single time when the current staff said anything more than "we're not living up to the Michigan standard" which pointing out that that starts with the coaches . I just want one recruit to step up one day and ask Meyer to cite his sources.
He pulled out eveything in that one. I was waiting to hear him sing a Josh Groban song
"We didn't execute" isn't necessarily passing blame. Especially since I'm sure Hoke & Co. are aware that getting the team to execute is part of their job descriptions.
Really?
if you've been around here enough, you'd know BR is not a source that is looked upon favorably. If you'd have produced the MLive link from the beginning, I wouldn't have said a damn word.
So, I wasn't saying anything other than...."Bleacher Report? Really?"
if you'd have used those, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
by "here," do you mean "Earth?"
Yeah, pretty much.
Well stated.
they're typically the same regardless of source.
many quotes you have presented, not one of them has Borges specifically blaming anybody. I'm quite sure I recall Borges having said that a play wasn't executed correctly, but that's merely restating the obvious and it isn't putting the blame on anyone specifically. In fact a cool headed fair analysis of "The play wasn't executed correctly" spreads the blame equally from the coaching staff to the players.
I will grant you this, as much as Borges never blamed any one specifically, neither did he allow that maybe he created a problem. Whether or not he actually was doesn't matter, he's no longer part of the staff.
And where in "we didn't execute" do you see 'Gardner didn't do this" or "Gallon didn't do that"?
We, a possessive pronoun, includes the speaker. If what you're saying is true, he would have said "they didn't execute." He is clearly saying 'we' and that means the entire team including the coaching staff. He's said on many occasions that he and the coaching staff made mistakes during the game or didn't have the team prepared sufficiently.
The truth is, "we didn't execute" is classic coach speak, always has been and always will be. If Urban M.F'er Meyer wants to turn this into "Michigan throws its players under the bus," then he's really reaching for shit.
you're really putting that transitive property through the wringer.
is the product of the play being explained and taught by the coaches and performed by the players. If the coaches don't teach the play and fundementals correctly, it makes it difficult for the players to perform the play successfuly, therefore we say that the play wasn't executed properly. The meaning is clear, there was a breakdown at some point between the concept stage of the play and the last whistle of the play.
I would add something like a coaching and teaching phase in there somewhere, but that's just me, literally.
Like, you seem totally confused what LITERALLY means.
I think the OP was using the new definition of literally, not the classic definition that most of us think of.
You're really reaching in this argument.
"we didn't execute" he followed with, "we didn't execute as coaches" or if he insinuated the players made a mistake he added, "we have to do better as coaches."
Yes. This whole argument is stupid, just like the "we need to execute" argument on this board was stupid. People can argue about the precise language used, but our coaches clearly never intended to communicate that the coaching is perfect and the players suck. "Execution" is just a generic term used to say that a group has the potential to be good and that doing so is in their control. The alternatives -- saying things like "we can't possibly win with [the talent we have / our schemes / these injuries / etc.]" -- are much, much worse.
Anyway, Urban Meyer is a manipulative, dishonest dick. News at 11.
There's a big difference between calling guys out by name and saying the team didn't execute. Read, the article... Meyer is saying the coaches are publicly blaming individual players by name, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
Would I liked to see Borges take more responsibility for whacky schemes? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that the players also didn't execute the plan they were given either. That's completely fair game to say "we didn't execute" and it's something that every coach has said at one point or another.
I thought I caught Borges' sarcasm in an interview where he was fingering Gardner... and for the record, I agree with Borges... Gardner has skated past any criticism on this board, and Borges was the easy target. However, does Borges share blame ? Yep.
"I thought I caught Borges' sarcasm in an interview where he was fingering Gardner."
The Freep is going to be all over this pretty soon.
They talked a lot about how [the Michigan] coaches like to blame losses on the players. And how the Ohio State coaching staff would never do that and accept their part of the loss.Really, Meyer? Because I can recall a post-Capital One Bowl press conference in which you threw everyone not named Tebow under the damn bus.
I'm not going to read too much into this article as it just seems like a recruit that just didn't like what Urban was selling and then a blog eagerly picking up on the negative reaction and running with it....but if Urban really is saying that he never blames players to the press, then he's a hypocrite. He frequently said to the press how the DB play last year disappointed him. That's not any different than Borges saying "we failed to execute". Not that a major D1 football coach being a hypocrite is much of a surprise of course.
Of course, this is all silly because recruits pick one or the other based on what they want in a program. It sure seems like a number of recruits have picked UM because of the family atmosphere and Hoke & staff being super genuine. And other kids (i.e. Damon Webb) picked OSU because of the super competitive, demand to be the greatest that Urban sells. This isn't to say that these two staffs don't do what the other does, just that the other sells it better or their strength is selling that aspect.
on movies at Michigan Stadium, football being played there (no, not that football), fireworks, scheduling, giant noodles, etc...But we can all agree that we hate that Urban Meyer.
Urban M.F'er Meyer before he even went to Columbus. Now, it's gone to another level with this crap.
they should sell it in a way that Ohio State's entire program is predicated on their desire to TRY and be like Michigan. After all, their greatest tradition; the gold pants, Is given out as a reminder that Michigan players put our pants on one leg at a time. . . .If they have to get an award to remind themselves of that/ To me that is mother of all inferiority complexes. . . .