D. Howard with scathing indictment
When you've lost Desmond Howard, have you lost your job as Head Coach of the Michigan football team? Today, on Gameday, Howard ripped into the Michigan team saying that after attending a practice he saw maybe one player, Jabril Peppers, that wanted to be great. The rest were just pretenders.
Without stating as much Howard, a Hoke supporter from the word go, has removed that support. As a team is a reflection of its leader we should all feel comfortable knowing that the vast majority of the players are good guys just like their coach. But also like their coach, they have become at best a .500 team.
September 27th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^
while lying in bed and watching Gameday, it made me cringe and just another reason why I'm enjoying college football less and less as Michigan mires through this seemingly endless BS we are enduring as a fan base.
I'm watching MSU look sharp again, maybe we should hire Narduzzi, he can keep Nuss since he fits the mold that Narduzzi wants to maintain offensively or go get a great OC. At least we would be great defensively, I know Defense is not the problem as much, I just want a leader as coach, not a clapper who mumbles dumb answers all the time.
September 27th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
with that s%$#.
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:37 PM ^
Since the start of last year I have seen this too.
Is it player leadership?
Is it that the self appointed leaders in the locker room do not inspire?
It goes back to last season IMO, and the decision to not allow the players to vote on team captains until the end of the year is a symptom of this problem.
September 27th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^
Worst part of all we are hearing is that is does not sound like the types of issues that can get sorted out in a season. Pracvtice habits pay off over years, not weeks, even if we change our habits it may not make a difference on the field this season.
Where was Desmond a few weeks ago? He had us #6 in the country, did he not see these problems then? I know Desmond is a great Wolverine, but it seems a little like piling on, Desmond was touting us for a darkhorse run at the playoffs just a few weeks ago, he had surely attended several practices before then.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:22 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
if he discussed this with Hoke or brought it up on espn for the first time this morning.
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September 27th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
is the main problem with this team. How many true or red shirt seniors are playing today? The team is still young, which explains the stuggles. I thought Michigan would be a 9-3 or 8-4 team this year and wasn't all that excited due to the fact that I knew the league would come down to MSU or OSU.
The main thing I wanted to see this year was a steady improvement over the course of the this season so next year's team could realistically contend for a Big Ten title.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
The problem with this is we currently are not even close to looking like an 8-4 or 9-3 team, and I see no signs of improvement so far. We're more like a 4-8, maybe 5-7 team. Hopefully this changes, because it kills me to watch Michigan struggle like this, but it's just what I honestly see when I watch this team right now.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
The main thing I wanted to see this year was a steady improvement over the course of the this season
Yes, that's what everyone wants to see.
Trouble is, I'm not sure we're seeing it.
We're seeing some general improvement in areas this year over last.
We're not seeing consistent improvement game to game this year.
Today's game against Minnesota will be another set of data points. The final score is really besides the point, provided it's a W for Michigan. Look for signs of fundamental progress on the offense -- no turnovers given, no stupid penalties, productive use of timeouts, first down yard production, third down conversion execution.
September 27th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^
I couldn't speak on behalf of the whole team, but I had a class last year where I would hear Kalis and another lineman (not sure who, but I think it was Braden) would discuss workouts. Kalis seemed to have to do the workouts later in the day after the other lineman had already completed it (probably just how their class schedules worked out?) Anyways, on multiple occassions I heard Kalis ask if the workout was easy, and just talk in a way that showed he does the bare minimum of what the coaches ask and not going above and beyond to improve and make himself better. This is why I'm not surprised when the "5 star" lineman isn't amounting to much so far at Michigan. With Desmond making these comments, it makes me feel like it's not just Kalis who doesn't have the drive, and that it's more of a team wide problem. You can't expect to be great because you have recruited great. It takes an insane work ethic to be great in anything. Until the mindset changes within the program, we are going to be mediocre at best.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
Probably why Kalis hired LeCharles Bentley to do individual workouts in offseasons past. Guy's lazy. You've got him figured out.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:14 PM ^
I don't think he's lazy. It takes a lot of hard work to get to where he's at. All I'm saying is that it takes a certain mindset to take you from being good to great. I practiced a sport my entire life, hired coaches to help me, put in a ton of hard work during the season and offseason, and still didn't end up being nearly as good as I hoped to be. I failed at achieving my dream. I worked hard, but not as hard as those who are great. I don't think I was lazy, I just didn't have the mindset and drive of those who are truly great at what they do. I didn't play football so I don't know I guess, but I feel like you can't have 11-1 or 12-0 seasons if the team as a whole doesn't have the mindset and drive to be great.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^
I played an individual sport, so when I didn't get to where I wanted to be there was nobody to blame but myself. Football being a team sport there can be those guys who have the drive, but if the whole team isn't on the same page the team won't be great. And if your team isn't winning, it looks like everyone is underachieving. That's the beauty of team sports in my opinion. You can work your ass off all you want, if you aren't holding your teammates accountable, it won't matter how hard you work personally. Sure it might pay off in the future financially, but as far as current team success it doesn't change a thing.
The only thing I would disagree with you on is I believe if you take a team with as much talent Michigan has, and everyone (and I mean everyone from the coaches, to the players, to anyone associated with the team in any way) has the drive to be great and understand what it takes to be great, there is no way they perform this poorly. If you are still making unwise decisions and showing no signs of improvement, the program as a whole isn't doing what it takes to be great. But hopefully they prove us wrong today! Hopefully they have been improving and come out today and prove it! I'm tired of watching us lose man, believe me. We all are. Here's to hoping the glory days aren't as far away as they seem! Go Blue!
September 27th, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^
my roommates who were walk ons complained about Giddleson because he killed them in workouts. I had a few friends that were on scholarship that felt the opposite about the guy saying that they liked the guy and knew he was punishing them in the weight room to get them ready to compete at the next level so they could make the NFL.
It boils down to having the mindset that you have to want to work to get better and that results are not going to handed to you because you are a 5 star recruit coming in to a rebuilding program.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^
Gittleson* my mistake,
I do remember hearing comments about Gabe Watson's work ethic at times. If I recall there were times where Coach Carr called him out for his consistency. You are absolutely right that there are a lot of guys that can get by on athletic tangibles alone.
The main point I was getting at was that perception of strength and conditioning and the approach big name guys took to compete and get better was due to competition within your team and wanting to be elite so you could get drafted. I remember hearing guys talk about how intense Larry Foote used to be in workouts.
I'm sure there is intensity and competition in practice with the current team. My question or curiosity would be how does the current team dynamics and workouts compare to that of Michigan teams in the past that had success?
Hoke was around the team in 97, so you would think he has a good blue print to work off of. The trouble may be, that the blueprint for success in 97 is out of date with the current college football scheme.
September 27th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^
can anyone explain what has happened with the O line recruits other than lack of development with some insight? I know Fox had an ACL repair two years ago, Kugler IIRC had a RTC or Labral repair.
Unless there are issues with injury or still trying to improve strength after rehabbing for 6-12 months from shoulder surgery, I don't understand how Kalis and Kugler are not getting time.
September 27th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
All this reminds me of that scene in "Bull Durham" where the manager goes into the shower and heaves a bunch of baseball bats and starts yelling at the players.
It's time someone do that here.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
I agree with an earlier poster, he's trying to light a fire under the team's behind to get working.
I do remember that when Bo came in, he thought that Bump ran a "country club" program, and told the team those days were over. One of my friends (a tight end) quit the team, telling me that Bo was out of his mind, they'd worked so hard, etc.
But Bo was right, and so is Desmond.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^
The big difference is Bo was the head coach trying to light a spark (i.e., change the culture), while Desmond is a highly respected former player. One is not like the other. The probability of Hoke changing the culture of the program at this point is very small.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^
I like Hoke. I'm rooting for him. I'd like to see him turn it around and get one more year. But he needs to get this team playing with a little passion.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
If you look at Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. The team has an identity set by their head coach and one can tell that there is a atmosphere is strict disclipline and zero tolerance football wise. In terms of personal conduct, that depends on how good you are on the field, i.e Dorial green Beckham
September 27th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^
I don't think this is an indictment on Hoke, it's an indictment on the players. I'm not admonishing Hoke and the coaches completely, they recruited these kids and are coaching them, but the coaches are doing enough to put players in a posiiton to win IMO. The players just aren't as good compared to their counterparts as they were, say 15 year ago. There is one playmaker on offense, Funchess, and he doesn't appear to be the most passionate guy. He can dominate at times based on his skill set, but he never gets fired up or seems to over-exert himself. As our top offensive player he should be leading and holding others accountable if they aren't executing. Players will play for others players if they are faced with consequences such as getting yelled at by their teammates. That is a part of leadership and a part I don't see. There's no fire. I'd almost like to see a sideline fight amongst teammates to show they care enough the fight and won't accept failure and losing. I thnk they acept losing too easily. If anything he takes too many plays off. We do have a few playmakers on defense, but one of them is playing a new position (Ryan), Clark has been solid, and the rest are either young and developing or injured (Peppers, Lewis, Wilson, Henry, etc.). I think the defensive side of the ball will show more playmakers as the year goes on and into next year. I still question where the playmakers are on offense. I haven't seen it yet from the o-line or skill positions outside of Funchess. Hopefully the offense will develop more as these rising freshman and sophomores become upperclassman. But, these players just aren't better than the competition the way they were in the pre-'07 era. And the lack of dominance on the o-line is a huge factor when playing a pro-style offense. We just don't win that many one-on-one matchups. IDK maybe offensive innovations are changing things as was alluded to in the a diary and we are behind the times, maybe we don't get the recruits from the south and west that we used to, but the playmakers just aren't there right now. Where are all the tough guys that don't care what anyone else thinks and are willing to get in the faces of their teammates and push them and force them to be accountable to their own team and lead by example? I don't see that...too much entitlement and not enough passion.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:32 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^
putting players in position to win includes 10 men on the field, poor clock management, and accepting mediocrity (Funchess won't block as as a TE so lets move him to WR). Before you say there was a need at WR, just remember the scene of Funchess play acting his blocking against the corner back last week.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:33 PM ^
This one attitude I dont get around here. A guy, a well-respected former player, gives his assessment on what he saw in PRACTICE. Unless you have also seen practices in person, what gives you the validity to say that you are noty buying what he says he saw in practice?
September 27th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^
This is another problem I see, prioritizing practice over games. The best players in games should play, not the best players in practice. We play to win the game not to win the practice. Even if a guy doesn't give as good of effort in practice as he does in the game, but is better than his counterpart who puts the exact same effort in both, the better guy in the games should play. You don't pick starting lineups based on effort, you do based on which guy gives you the best chance to win the game. It's human nature that the better athletes tend to be less motivated to practice as hard as lesser skilled players in practice than in games because they have less to gain and less stimulation (TV, fans, etc.) to elicit an emotional response. Lesser skilled players will often push themselevs harder in practice to beat the higher skilled player. That shouldn't mean you start the better effort practice player, unless he is also the better game day player.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:26 PM ^
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I think it was a dig at everyone's ego on the entire team to "dig a little deeper within yourself".
I think that's completely appropriate and I think the missive about the "legacy jerseys" was stating if you wear one of those, you need to step up on every single play. Funchess donkeying on blocking assignments was just a really visible one. But he's wearing #1 and that's not acceptable play for the person wearing that in my opinion. Use those 230# and bury that guy into the dirt. Because even if its just one play its chipping away at that DB's stamina.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:33 PM ^
His comments would be more credible if made before the ND game. Now it just sounds like piling on. It could also be frustration or an attempt at motivation.
IMO the biggest problem with this team continues to be youth and inexperience and I still think they could improve significantly this season. Sometimes uncertainty and indecisiveness can be mistaken for lack of effort.
September 27th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^
Regardless of whether what he says is true or not, and regardless of whether or not something like this affects the players...the fact that one of our Heisman Trophy winners (and perhaps our most visible alum) just ripped apart this team, specifically the players, on ESPN Gameday is unpercedented and absolutely harrowing.
If this isn't rock bottom for our program, we'll see it soon.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^
I love Desmond but hate that he had to bring this up on Gameday when these kids have to go out there and play later on in the day. Poor timing IMHO.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^
The "kids" shouldn't be paying attention to GameDay on a Saturday like this! Coach Hoke's job lies with this game. His career lies with this game. The future of the Michigan football program could very well lie in this game! I'm alarmed by Desmond's comments about the team not caring.
September 27th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^
Hoke admited to the kids having access in the locker room to electronics during last weeks rain delay and i would almost guarantee they got wind of what Desmond said.
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