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D coordinator idea - poach the service academies (Buddy Green - Navy)

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:17 PM
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D coordinator idea - poach the service academies (Buddy Green - Navy)

 I read with interest the earlier threads discussing possible D coordinator candidates, and wanted to suggest someone I haven't seen mentioned yet on this site -- Buddy Green, DC at Navy.

What's our biggest problem on D? (I mean, besides the youth/attrition, Angry Michigan Secondary Hating God, and dopey scheme...)  It's the lack of sound technique/fundamentals, toughness, and players maintaining responsibilities. So why not grab a DC from a school where the players are always outclassed athletically and have to play tough, sound, fundamental football to avoid getting stomped -- i.e, the service academies?

I'd love to see us hire Buddy Green.  Navy this year is a very respectable 30th in total defense, giving up an even 20 points/game, even after all four of their starting linebackers from last year's D graduated (Green runs a 3-4); they've also lost 6 senior starters during this season so far.  Last year Navy finished 20th in total D, at 19.9/game.  Here's what Sweatervest himself said about Navy's D (tOSU squeaked by Navy 31-27 in their 2009 opener):

"They're very sound. You're not going to get big plays against them, and they're not going to make errors," Ohio State Coach Jim Tressel said in early September, before the Buckeyes' 31-27 victory over Navy in the season opener. "They play fast, and they play at you. . . . There's no doubt that they know what they're doing. You're going to have to earn every inch against them."

Wouldn't it be great to hear a Michigan defense described in these terms?

And how about having a guy who can put together an effective D despite injuries and youth? Here's John Feinstein, writing after Navy beat Notre Dame a couple weeks ago:

   But in his nine seasons in Annapolis, Green is accustomed to working with players who must improve as the season goes along.

"I remember in '07, we knew we were going to be a little inexperienced starting out and then at Rutgers [in the second week of the season] we lost both Clint Sovie and Jeff Deliz for the year," Green said. "They were the only two guys we had who had real experience. That became a struggle. But there was no point whining. You just go out with the guys you have and play and try to get better."

When Navy went to Notre Dame that year, three freshmen started in the defensive backfield. The fourth starter was Blake Carter, a sophomore making his first start. Navy gave up lots of yards and points, but the defense made the stops it had to make late in the fourth quarter and then in the third overtime..   

   

I thought about Green after looking at what's happened at Texas A&M (my dad's alma mater). They recently took  the "poach a DC from a service academy" approach, after years of defensive suckitude (which was really aggravating for Aggie fans, b/c A&M football built its identity around its great "Wrecking Crew" defenses in the late 80s and 90s). 

Before this season, A&M hired Tim DeRuyer from Air Force, after he'd led their defense to the 9th ranking in total defense in 2009. (The only teams above them? Alabama, Nebraska, Florida, Penn St, OSU, TCU, Oklahoma, and Texas.)  In 2009 A&M finished 104th in total D, giving up almost 33 points and over 430 yards/game; this year they've improved to 44th, giving up 21.5 points and 345 yards/game, while still fielding a very young D.

I'd be willing to wager that Green could affect a similar improvement at U-M. He's 56, so he's not some hotshot young guy who'd demand a ton of money or would be angling for a head coaching gig somewhere (he's already done that). As for whether he'd "fit" with RR, well, at least he's shown he can be a good DC at a program that runs the football a ton and scores points...

 

 

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:29 PM
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Brilliant!

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:38 PM
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Good Idea

It sounds like a great idea but also have to consider that the service acadamy teams consist of smart, disciplined kids even before adding in the effect of the coaches.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:47 PM
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Just talked to an Aggie

And they all had the same fears - USAFA kids are really smart and really disciplined and they were worried that wouldn't go over to A&M. Well, I think we see the results of that.  I think these kids are young enough and they have enough "want to" that even if they aren't the smartest or most well disciplined the right coach can inspire them and you'll see that on the field.  I think this is probably the most well thought out idea I've seen on the MGoBoard when it comes to DC and, quite honestly, I think he should headline Brian's list when he, undoubtedly, makes a list of potential hires.  Just look at A&M - they have even less talent than we do (seriously, their D has a number of starting 2 stars...) and they have played OSU (NTOSU), Arkansas, Mizzou (didn't do so well) and Tech and they are still #44.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:40 PM
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Couldn't agree more

Let's get him!

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:45 PM
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He sounds very appealing

Great suggestion.

Your post gets to something I've wanted to say elsewhere: this argument that RR should be fired because our poor record will hurt defensive recruiting. My view is, we can have a solid defense with 3-stars, if those 3-stars are fundamentally sound defenders.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:54 PM
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Two words:  Iowa

Two words:  Iowa Hawkeyes.

 

Their classes are comprised almost entirely of two and three star recruits every year.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:03 PM
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Another two

Another two words:

WISCONSIN BADGERS

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:08 PM
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Everitt Withers

He's our man! North Carolina, big time recruiter. He turned down Urban Meyer and the Gators, but c'mon......we're MICHIGAN! And we have a challenge for you Mr. Withers

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:42 PM
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I have no knowledge on the

I have no knowledge on the investigation going on in UNC, but is she connect to it in any way?  Or, was it an isolated coach who was dealing with the agents?

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November 3rd, 2010 at 4:28 PM
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Interesting fact: He went to

Interesting fact: He went to Appalachian State.  So we have a pretty public connection.

Also, he turned down Florida because he was only offered the cornerbacks position coach with maybe a co-defensive coordinator spot.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:53 PM
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I'm down. My criteria at this

I'm down. My criteria at this point are:

1) Nickname is not GERG

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November 4th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
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Sure Green runs the 3-3-5?

From Navy's 2010 depth chart, it looks like Buddy Green runs a standard 3-4 -- LE, NG, RE; OLB, ILB, ILB, OLB; LCB, ROV (rover - strong safety, I assume), FS, RCB.

As for video, here are highlights of Navy's win over Notre Dame in 2009; see the 2nd-and-8 play around 0:33 for an example. ND is in shotgun w/one RB, 3 wides and a TE; Navy appears to be in its base 3-4, with a rush OLB on the weakside and the other OLB over the slot receiver:

 

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November 4th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
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Embed fail...

My bad -- first time I've tried that. Here's a plain old link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82mcA0EOD0

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 PM
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One Question

Why do you hate our troops?

/s

Seriously though, he seems like as good a choice as any and better than most.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:04 PM
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Yes.

We need teachers. GERG has no evidence of building anything, a lot of destructiong, but no proof that he teaches fundamentals. Bring the whole staff though!

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:19 PM
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Maybe someone else can

Maybe someone else can produce the link but one of GERG's former players at Texas heavily emphasized how good GERG was at teaching fundamentals.  I don't buy that he forgot how to teach kids to tackle.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 9:30 PM
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Which begs the question

will RichRod permit a new DC to bring in his own assistants? At this point, I'd have to think the answer is an either/or type deal. Either you accept this or your ass is grass.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 9:47 PM
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new DC

     The choice will not be up to RR.  Terms will be dictated by Brandon;  either he accepts those terms or he finds a new home.  I don't think Brandon wants to fire him and I don't think RR wants to leave-if that's the case, the solution is obvious.  RR can use some his salary to help his buddies while they're looking for work.

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November 4th, 2010 at 5:11 PM
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Maybe someone else can

Maybe someone else can produce the link but one of GERG's former players at Texas heavily emphasized how good GERG was at teaching fundamentals.  I don't buy that he forgot how to teach kids to tackle.

GERG was there for one season.  I'm not sure one season's worth of results is enough to draw firm conclusions from - especially when every season since then has been disastrous for him.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:13 PM
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This thread demonstrates that

there will be plenty of highly capable DC candidates out there. A couple are mentioned here but there are surely many others. We just need to get the HC situation clarified so the coaches going forward can close the deal on recruits later this year.

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November 3rd, 2010 at 4:48 PM
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How's Buddy's hair?

Is it anything like Greg's?  I couldn't have a balding coach at this point. . . . unless he had chainsaw arms.

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November 4th, 2010 at 10:08 AM
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No-nonsense, defensive coordinator hair

Check it:

http://www.navysports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/green_buddy00.html

Buddy Green

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November 3rd, 2010 at 5:30 PM
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Great idea.  Get that man a

Great idea.  Get that man a cigar!

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November 4th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
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DC Idea

I think Chuck Heater, the co-DC for Florida would make a good DC. Even as bad as Florida is right now, their defense is still a top 40 one.

He's a Michigan Man, recruits top talent in Florida and down South for the Gators. He previously worked as the DB and Safety coach for a number of schools. I think he'd be a great pick up.

Any thoughts?

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November 4th, 2010 at 11:32 PM
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Poach TCU?

Dick Bumpas of TCU has the #1 defense in nation- in total defense.  Been there since '05 I believe. Mostly a southern guy, but he did coach1 year at Western. He's the type of guy we need.  He goes way back with the head coach at TCU, but we just need to make someone an offer they can't refuse.... if not him, someone with a similar resume.

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