CTK Day 8 - Scrimmage #2 Highlights
I saw lots of nice plays by Stribling. Wilson had a nice knock away. And Shane tossing it 50-60? yards on a short drop was physically impressive even if it was into tight coverage.
Has a cannon on him. Wow. That kid is going to be really good.
I feel a lot better about Morris being the back-up after watching that video.
Love that he was all over his man like glue. Morris put that throw right in stride for whoever the receiver was, he was just blanketed.
I think the WR is Jehu Chesson.
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Wow... Channing Stribling looks extremely tall, and he made some great plays on the ball....
Channing Stribling was everywhere.
De'Veon Smith run looked like his highschool highlight reel.
The spin move was really nice, but then to keep his balance and wade through all that garbage and come out the other side was amazing.
I think too many people around here are selling smith short. He was a consensus 4-star recruit, and on many teams would be considered a prized recruit. The kid is physically impressive, came to camp looking in shape (not meant at a shot at Green) and has a great combination of size, power and agility. I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a major contributor over the next year or two.
Also, probably his single best attribute, which I highlighted, is his balance. He just seems to be able keep/regain his feet when he gets hit. I'm really glad to see that it is translating to the college level.
smith's practice highlights have looked better than green's. on a somewhat related note, chris bryant had a nice block on green's run.
You mean the 10-15 or so combined runs we've seen of them? Pretty small sample size if you ask me. Granted, the runs we have seen from Smith look pretty good. Just saying we haven't seen that many from either.
I reminds me a little bit of Marshall/Gurley out of Georgia. Marshall was the more heralded recruit, but Gurley looked better his freshman year.
I love that we got Green and Smith in this previous class. I think they're both going to do great things at Michigan.
They are actually a nice compliment to each other. It won't be one or the other down the road, it will be both.
When the young OL's step up, this O is going to be nasty (to go along with the nasty D.)
The future looks bright. What makes a champion is not having any weaknesses to expliot. That's much more important than having a few ultra-stars surrounded by some exploitable players.
The whole theme of not having many recruiting candidates that can be called sleepers because they're all solid 4-stars is the most exciting development in Michigan football in years. Moreso that the 5-stars that show up.
Combined with the solid coaching they'll get, it produces a team without exploitable weaknesses.
I'll just come right out and say it. Deveon looked like Mike Hart on that one play.
I wish I could argue, but I can't. If there's a difference, it's that Smith is bigger and is able to finish runs through people and fall forward. Hart would have to do a final juke to find a way to fall forward, but he always did. I'm not saying he'll be Hart, but he has a hell of an upside from what we've seen.
The more I see Deveon, the more excited I get. The only issue in my mind is the interior OL. I know I'm the first to express that concern.
It looked more like a Brandon Minor run. One of his angry runs with a good finish.
Stribling looks to be the real deal. He is big and can cover man to man
Or was our oline getting blown up by the D??? The D had Gardener on the run A LOT
Not sure who's running 1's and 2's but Chris Bryant looked a little gimpy out there too.
Fingers crossed for the OLine to come together sooner rather than later. Notre Dames Dline is going to be a Huge, Huge test for team.
Our OL looked to be getting knocked off the ball pretty good. Hopefully that means we have the best DL in the nation.....
I'm not sure how much it matters, but it looked like Lewan didn't play on any of these snaps, or maybe not at all. This probalby doesn't help with the pass pro.
the oline didnt look stellar but Lewan wasnt out there and it seemed like every hightlight showed a different combination.
Because if not, sans Lewan & Schofield it's unfair to judge the line.
Schofield did play a little, but not much at all. Same goes for Chris Bryant, who apparently has secured the LG spot. It also sounds like Joe Reynolds is the early favorite to win the outside WR spot opposite Gallon. This is all word of mouth stuff, so take it for what its worth.
Reynolds made a great catch. He supposedly has good speed, so hopefully he can have a real good senior season. He must know the system inside-out by now.
Reynolds is a state champion and three-time all-stats performer in TRACK. Speed has never been a problem for him. It appears he's finally using his physical gifts...though I still think Chesson plays more. But they'll both play a lot.
schofiled got beat pretty bad by cam gordon. schofield was at LT on that play.
Was very impressed with what I saw from Channing!
Showed really good pocket presence by sliding left or right to avoid the rush after his first play. Good to See seeing as he can make all the throws. Just has to get a feel of the speed of the college game.
He already has that footwork that Al likes to see.
Good to see confirmation on Shane Morris' cannon.
Stribling is everywhere, but very very skinny.
Great run by Smith and Green's one run was good. Did I not see Fitz with any carries?
Fitz held out in this scrimmage per Hoke. They're protecting him and he doesn't need the reps.
Well I guessed I missed that piece of info, thanks for passing it along.
Stribling is on the slight side, but it doesn't seem to impact his tackling. He looked good and I'm not as concerned about his size. Yes, it would be good if he were a bit bigger, and a long season could wear him down, but it isn't like he's playing the 1-tech.
Huh. I actually thought Shane looked pretty good there. Again, maybe a tad late on a throw or two, but kept his head under pressure.
Aside from Gallon im not sure we have a guy who can go win a one on one with a pure cover corner. That is going to be an issue in November so hopefully a few wrs will emerge. Devin looked okay and Shane looked pretty good in there to be honest. Shane has serious arm talent. Our D looks very good against our offense and im not sure how much can be taken from that at this stage. I think our offense will be improved but that will hinge on a couple unexpected wideouts making big production jumps from what is currently expected. Contrary to the wr concerns...Im very excited about our running game. I think we have a stable and a group of bullies up front that just might have us in Indy in December. Question will loom is can we find a way to beat Ohio twice!?
However, the Oline is starting to worry a bit. I get the feeling we are "slightly" better than last year but almost in the same boat.
Hope I'm wrong.
i think it goes back to chemistry. I think the fact that there is still competition this late in the camp because that is what the coaches want, you have guys who are playing worried and thinking to much instead of just letting their natural ability show. Why do u think coaches name their starters at QB so early? To allow them to make mistakes with the first group but also to play through them and get better as a team.
From what little we've seen in these highlights, Funchess looks improved and that could be a real difference maker this season. If he can put it all together, he can be our #2 receiver this year.
Shane looked better than I expected. Defense is looking fast and furious. 2team OL is rough still.
Channing making some plays out there in the secondary. Kind of cool.
I thought Shane looked reall goo for a freshman actually. Good pocket awareness and not afraid to let one fly. He's gonna be good.
Shane has an absolutely ridiculous arm. I see some Matt Stafford in some of those throws, mostly the sidearm ones (take that as you will)
That run by Smith was fantastic. Made my day
Made my day too. But its 8:30 am and Ive been awake for 2 hours. *Sample size.
Shane Morris dime-ing on people damn..Defense does look good. I like the interchangeable parts. Lots of different faces. Still high quality play. Wilson was in there with a nice PBU. Anyone know if T-Gordan was held out? Never saw him.. Also no Lewan either?
I think T. Gordon might have been held out. It seems like guys who have locked down their spots (Lewan, Countess, Gallon, Fitz) are being held out to give other guys more reps.
Idk how you keep De'Veon off the field*.
The defense looked inpenetrable.
Shane Morris made me less scared if had to come into the game for a series or two.
*sample size and all that jazz
looked like his pass protection left something to be desired.
Small sample and all, but it seemed like Gardner and Shane were under pressure on 90% of those pass plays. Either our d-line engaged beast mode or our o-line has some work to do.
It looks like they cut up the last scrimmage video to make the offense look good and this one o make the defense look good. It's probably been pretty even in reality.
Yes, I kept saying to myself "They must be saving the Offense's highlights for tomorrow's CTK. Right? . . . Right? There were some Offense highlights, weren't there??"
Keep in mind that we are not only dealing with a sample size issue - but also with selection bias. This is different than if the few samples were chosen at random.
The interesting question is, did they choose to emphasize plays where the pocket broke down, or did the pocket break down on most plays?
We haven't seen a lot of Shane yet but he looked fairly capable in this video. Obviously a very small sample size but that made me feel a little better.
He has the arm atleast
That and accuracy of his throws are really all you can judge because there's so much you don't know when you watch these videos. For example, what if the WR runs the wrong route? What if the 2nd or 3rd string OL misses a block? What if the freshman RB who will be redshirted doesn't pick up a blitz?
That said, I thought Shane had a great feel for the pocket.
Makes my comment seam like a duplicate. Sorry. So I'll. add, I noticed Bryant at left as well as right guard. I also wonder, would the line switch w Shane since he is a lefty?
yeah i believe they do switch since the LT is usually the best in pass protection so you want them protecting the QBs blindside
...Stribling became an All-B1G player, lol. Gotta love the overreaction to these. Great practice plays though.
I didn't see that. I saw a lot of folks giving him an at-a-boy for a 3:26 of very well played football. I did not see even a hint of anyone calling for a starting spot for him. There were even people still asking about a red shirt. And since none of us have seen him play yet, i'd say that is about the "just right" amount of reaction. But maybe that's just me.
Shane looked pretty good and Smith reminded me of A-Train on that one run. Seems to run very upright but is a load when he runs.
To me, Green looks more like the Train, whose balance was never a strong suit. Until late in his career, he used to get tripped up at the line with maddening consistency. But his size/speed at the second level made him a force to be reckoned with.
I gotta agree with Brian - hard to think of a better comparison for Smith than Mike Hart but big.
That makes Shane remind you of Henne! On second watch he really has big boy arm strength. The Reynolds play was acrobatic but that has to be a clean pluck. He can make that play and he will need to. Deveon Smith has been the forgotten man and he has the build and skillset to help us this year. Is Matt Godin 99? Looks like our D line is going to be the best in thd B1G. Adolphus and Spence are great along with Schutt...but the depth and quality overall of our line is the best since 06. Stribling looked very fluid and disruptive and he might play this year too. Just tough to burn those shirts! The boys are looking good so far. One more week fellas!
Looks like Schofield playing LT in the early snaps. He and Kalis getting beat out there by Gordon is good news for the defense, not for the offense.
Obviously the 2's. Bosch too slow and misses the hole on his pull -actually gets in the way of Hill but it doesn't matter because Burzynski and Kalis blow up Ash and Godin and Green runs through.
There's no way to know how representative this video is of all of the plays, but it looks like the defense is way ahead of the offense at this point, especially up front. QBs had almost no time to throw and other than Smith's one run, running lanes were few and far between.
Morris looks more impressive than I expected, given his plummeting in the rankings the past year. Arm strength was never in question, but his accuracy looks really good in this video too.
Looks like the defense controlled the scrimmage for the most part
EVER! I know...I know That's what she said. But seriously...
For a team that is going to the pro style that is a hell of a lot of shotgun...
There were a few plays on there were it's seemed for the first time in quite some time that Gardner seem very unsure.
The defense is looking good though.
Was no one else nervous when DG stumbled in his drop back?
None of us was as nervous as Hoke was!
Shane looks decent, but we are one boo boo away from season collapse.
Ok, I'll jump on the hype train for Stribling. Guy was all over that video and made some excellent plays.
DG didn't do anything nearly as impressive this time. Only made the easy throws. Threw into tight coverage many times. This means nothing- just an observation.
That's putting it nicely. Should've been picked multiple times
The defense looked pretty fast and pretty solid, I thought. Recruiting bigger CBs is paying off and you can see it in Channing Stribling being back there, not allowing much of anything to happen in terms of big pass plays.
Someone else mentioned it, but I am having trouble seeing De'Veon Smith NOT on the field at some point this season. He already looks like he might be able to put up significant numbers back there. Shane Morris was impressive in these limited glimpses into the scrimmage - what they showed was someone with good footwork and someone capable of throwing some lasers and for quite some distance, I might add.
Hard to get much from these, but there are some bright spots here. These highlights make it difficult to wait the remaining 8 days though.
The only think I can think of is that Smith doesn't offer a whole lot that Fitz doesn't, where as Green would be a better option (maybe) in short yardage situations with his size. Smith may well be the 2nd best back we have but with the 1st best guy being similar, it might make sense to RS him and give him an extra year, especially since it doesn't look like class of 2014 will include a RB.
*sample size yada yada
Here's what I get from these, small sample size, yada, yada, . . . it will suck to be Tommy Rees.
Shane moves in the pocket well. Impressive footwork for a true freshman that missed much of his senior year.
Number 8 was everywhere in coverage. Not sure if qb`s were picking on him or not, but he handled it really well. Will Stribling red shirt.
Probably. He's just so light. But maybe he'll be this year's inexplicable burned RS for no apparent real reason.
I see we haven't moved Shane to receiver yet.
Fort Schembechler man. Gotta wait until ND for Borges to pull that one out... best trans-continental ever though...
Jack Wrangler catch as well.
Stribbling is looking good. Damn good. He was everywhere in coverage. And Morris is also looking pretty good for a kid who missed most of his senior year. Stood tall in the pocket and made some good throws. But then again its only practice.
Hayes is going to have a significant role on the team this year. He'll get a lot of the zone carries (he fits that zone blocking scheme best) and in a lot of pass situations. I bet he gets more touches this year than V. Smith did last year.
Morris has a live arm, but I also love the selective editing of these. No one is really worried about DG, so it's alright to show plays of his that aren't that good or make the defense look good. But Morris only really gets his good throws in there, so on and so forth.
I've yet to see a single impressive play from Hayes in these clips. He goes down very easily from what I've seen, and there hasn't been any evidence of remarkable speed or quickness. Maybe he's much better than those few plays show, but I'm not seeing anything that fills me with confidence beyond his recruiting profile.
Seems to indicate he's getting reps for a reason. Just because the selection of a few plays from probably close to 200 doesn't show many great things, doesn't mean he isn't the #2 back right now. He appears to be getting the most reps and he appears to be playing in situations where other backs aren't, again, a lot of pass situations and when Michigan is zone blocking from a single back set. There's a reason he's in there almost exclusively with Gardner and in the 1 v 1 situations. Limited selection of clips doesn't make up for the rest of the scrimmage and the rest of the practices.
You're repping about 2.5 teams in one of these scrimmages and if something doesn't go right you "run it again". They are repping a lot of things, a lot of plays, in a lot of situations. It's more of a simulated practice than anything else, so they are going to run a lot of plays. It's probably a little under 200 plays total, but I would say it's north of 150 for the entire team.
Of course, Hayes's prevalence on third downs might also not mean that much, as it's possible that Fitz is going to figure prominently there. I'm just saying, it sounded like you were predicting more than just 'based on the relative frequency which Hayes appears as a single back in the scrimmage highlights, it looks like he's the leader of the third down back competition.' More touches than Smith and all. Based on the limited amount I've seen of Hayes, though, I'm not really impressed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proverbial practice buzz gauge seems to be giving out a pretty low reading for Hayes, too.
Surely Fitz is far and away RB1. Fitz will be in there on some third downs, he'll get carries in zone based schemes, etc. But from what I've seen of the past and what I've seen in the many reps, both spring ball and otherwise, has Hayes in a fairly well defined role and the others mixing in to combine for a backup role for the rest of the stuff. Being that Borges likes to do some of the things that are a part of Hayes's role, I think my assumption was pretty fair.
Not just based on limited film evidence, but also his skillset. Hayes has good hands, speed, and route-running skills. It would make sense for him to win that job and give Fitz a spell.
I saw an awful lot of shotgun in there....
Kalis has a neck roll. That made my Friday.
That had had the tiny holes so that it breathed better, and it came down to his belly button at most. Bring back the early 90s!
1) Those highlights show the five-star QB we thought we were getting in Morris. Hosiest hose in hoseland - looked like a somewhat more athletic Matt Stafford out there.
2) Deveon is a beast. I'll call it again: he'll be a better back than Green when all's said and done.
3) Devin looks pretty shaky here. Big pass rush, small sample size, and the possibility that he must ended up being on the 'defensive highlights' end of the stick apply. But these plays are rough.
3a) What's the point, MGoBlue, of putting a highlight package together that seems to show only good plays from Morris, and mostly bad plays from DG?
What's the point, MGoBlue, of putting a highlight package together that seems to show only good plays from Morris, and mostly bad plays from DG?
I'm going to put on my official Fort Schembechler Tinfoil Hat here ... full-on conspiracy mode.
These highlight videos are exercises in manipulation. It's been said earlier in this thread that the first scrimmage showed the offense looking good and the defense only so-so ... now this this shows an almost dominant defensive line and a shakey offensive line. DG suddenly looks less imposing, and lots of footage of a true freshman QB.
What's an opposition (read: Notre Dame) spy to think?
Spy Chief: "What did you find out?"
Spy Minion: "I got nothing. Strangest bunch of intel I've ever seen. Who the hell knows what's going on up in Ann Arbor."
I'll go one step further ... with no names on the jersies you only think that was Smith or Stribling, and you only think you know who was playing along the O and D lines. They were switching jersies to confuse things further.
South Bend is an unsettled place. Panic runs deep there.
/tinfoil hat off
You're probably correct, but the two forced throws by Devin that could have been picked have me a little concerned.
I don't think it's crazy to feel slightly more concerned after seeing that. Gardner looked, dare I say, almost Harringtonian on a few of those plays. But the emphasis is surely on 'slightly' - the mass of positive indications about Gardner's play this summer is ... pretty massive.
"looked like a somewhat more athletic Matt Stafford out there."
Couldn't tell for sure with how close the shot was, but looked like we were getting decent pressure rushing four.
It's funny how many (mostly rival fanbases) wrote Morris off as a bust already. I have never questioned his talent and after watching his pocket awareness and mobility in this clip I feel he has a chance to be very special. You can't teach that arm and you can't really teach the 6th sense required to feel pressure and slip it. Future is bright.
Stribling running right along with Chesson on that deep ball was very promising to see. Doubt he sees the field much because he'd get knocked over by a stiff breeze, but he could be very good if he can keep that speed at 200 lbs.
In the short amount of video that we are seeing from the first two scrimmages, I like what I see from Joe Reynolds. I'm optimistic that he can make some plays for us. Will obviously shuttle back and forth with Chesson and Jackson as Coach has indicated, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him contribute.
I also like what I'm seeing from the TE spot. Funchess of course, and Jake Butt.
I think that video was pretty exciting for a 3 minute camp highlight video. A lot of plays being made and the team really seemed fast. I'll agree that the defensive pressure was a little troubling from an O-line standpoint, but the rush seemed very fast to me. Maybe it's "so close to kickoff" bias, but this team seems big and fast. Oh, and even after all the hype, Shane's arm still looked surprisingly live.
Surprisingly? We've heard that he has a stronger arm than the best QB's in college.
Shane turns the wrong way and whips the ball back across his body to Jake Butt for that last touchdown. Not the best throw, but he got it out there and Butt slid under the ball. Impressive physical play by a couple really young guys. Here is to bright futures.
He actually didn't turn the wrong way it just looked like that because he is left handed. The play called for a roll out to the right and because Morris is a lefty he had to stop and reverse his body to make the throw. It looked really weird but would have been the same had Gardner rolled out to his left.
I'm seeing the OL break down after just a few seconds and the only way the QB has any real time to let a play develop is to boot leg or scramble out of the pocket.
Jake Butt looked good. I think he's going to have a really good freshman season.
yell "UNLEASH THE DRAGON" spontaneously when Morris threw that bomb?
Most of that seemed like defensive hghlights.....good news for the defense
Small bit, but Green looked good in pass protection on one play.
Can anything really be gleaned from this short clip? Those could have been Shane's best throws of the day while the ones we didn't see were miserable. The Oline looks >porous in the video but it was a lot of second teamers. I keep having to remind myself not to get too hyped or frustrated from these things. I suppose we can, at the very least, take away the flashes of brilliance shown by Morris, Smith, et al.
Cam Gordon dominated Schofield on the one play I saw that he was playing LT.
Green has a nice run around the :50 mark.
Jarrod Wilson made a nice knock down and seemed to be in the right place at the right time. I think people panic way too fast around here.
Smith also looked fantastic on his run. Did anyone notice the shotgun formation with Morris, Hayes, and Smith? I definitely would love to see some of that formation more.
I couldn't figure out who number 8 was, but I saw everyone talking about Stribling. I then saw the coverage on that monster pass by Shane. Stribling is going to be really good. Yes, small sample size and all, but he's all over every single receiver in these videos. Dude has a nose for the ball and you can tell he wants it.
...get giddy seeing the Morris play action roll out pass?? It brought back some memories!
I've been reading Mgoblog for a couple years now but have been too lazy to make an account (this is my first post and I just recently made this one). However, I finally decided to make one since I feel most of the people on here are very informative and usually have good information such as Ace with his recruiting and hello posts, as well as various bloggers who are able to break new stories before recruiting 'experts' can such as the George Campbell commitment. I know I'm going to get negged hard for saying this but people on here are overreacting way to much to Derrick Green. He's 240 lbs and looks solid. I was watching the 2000 M vs Ohio game and the A-train looked like he had a little pudge on his belly but that didn't stop him from being the leader rusher in M history until Hart. Not to mention the A-train was heavier than Green. Everyone here is saying Smith will be the better back (he may be but who knows) based off high school highlights and a couple runs in practice with cameras completely zoomed in. Statistics show #1 backs do very well their freshman seasons and I expect Green to not only play well but eventually take the job from Fitz midway through the season unless Hoke continues to be too loyal to his seniors. I love you guys which is why I've read Mgoblog for the last couple years but I've never seen a fanbase complain about getting the the #1 back in the country as much as us michigan fans (not just MgBlog). Minimum 700 yards and 5-6 tds rom Green this season. Any takers?
On offense, I was most impressed with:
- Shane's pocket presence and footwork. He's obviously got an arm.
- Jake Butt getting open. On one play he left Ross in the dust...that's a good sign
- AJ Williams running all the way across the field to almost catch a great pass from DG
- De'Veon Smith's run. Yes, Ash was held, but Smith was nearly impossible to bring down. Reminded me of this (jump to 20 seconds in):
I was not impressed with DG's play action fakes...I hope he does better in real games
On defense, I was most impressed with:
- Channing Stribling...will this kid contribute as a true freshman? Brian's SOTY prediction looks pretty damn good. And kudos to Hoke and the staff for finding a gem.
- Gordon was everywhere again.
- D-Line in general...I know Lewan was held out, but our guys looked good.
Didn't see any plays with him. I could just be blind though
Was the slow motion catch from Reynolds, but not because of the catch. What stood out to me on that play was the absolute cannon that Shane has for an arm. I'm surprised the ball didn't take Reynolds hand off.
I thought it was tipped by the db, but it was hard to tell.
Smith's run was nice, yes. But on the next play he dumps out on a delay route and bypasses the player that sacks Morris... Why didn't he pick up that end?