CSG President Says Boycott of PSU Kickoff = Not Supporting Players

Submitted by LS And Play on

This morning the University of Michigan student body President sent out an email stating that a boycott of the kickoff for Penn State means we are not supporting the players:

My Fellow Students,

Recently, we have heard a lot of frustration and dissatisfaction with Michigan Athletics and Michigan Football. To address this, CSG has created a survey to gain your feedback on your own Michigan football experiences and how we can make it better. The survey results will be shared with the Athletic Director, Athletic Department, President, Regents, and other administrators to work to create positive change. Please help us by taking this short survey [link to survey redacted per the request of someone close to the CSG - LSA]

Earlier this week a call was made for us to boycott the opening of the Penn State game by waiting outside the gates until after kickoff to create the illusion that the stadium is empty. By not showing up to the opening of the game, all we are doing is hurting the players on the field. Our university has a long standing history of positive activism, a desire to create change that will benefit students, not harm our peers. To disregard the work of the athletes would be detrimental not only for the players themselves, but for the image of the university as a whole. Now, more than ever, we need to stand by blue. Share your support for the team by using #StandByBlue.

Go Blue!

Bobby Dishell
Student Body President
Central Student Government
https://csg.umich.edu

As usual, Support the Troops is not an argument. We all support the players. We don't support the administration and the coaching staff. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Everyone should do what they like. If you boycott, fine. If not, fine.

 

 

 

TooFratToFail

October 10th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^

Dave Brandon's human shields.  Because I'm sure the student athlete send-off was totally random and not influenced at all by the donation peddler extraordinaire.  More deflecting away from the horrid adminstration and onto the fans.  It's the fans' fault for not being strong enough Michigan fans, not the adminstration, coaches, and yes, to an extent, the players who have let Michigan football shrivel and rot from the inside out.

HarBooYa

October 10th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^

Show up if you like the university and football and if you don't like the admin, the coach or the product where a tshirt, chant fire Brandon the whole first quarter...sponsor a fire Brandon fly over. But don't hurt recruiting and the player's more than it/ they are suffering now. Not about you.

Fickle and Amateur hour.

Njia

October 10th, 2014 at 12:40 PM ^

Was the Tory line. I think it's safe to assume we could all cite examples of Tories, Labour, Conservatives, Liberals, NDP, Republicans, Democrats doing the same. The reason we don't, is because we would like this to be a site for Michigan fans talking about Michigan things.

TooFratToFail

October 10th, 2014 at 11:11 AM ^

Yes, because recruits are not going to come to Michigan for the grand reason that the fans are so impassioned they organized a tiny demonstration and showed up late, to a single game.  That will surely dissuade them from committing more than Michigan's overall record, treatment of injured players, treatment of the fans, shift away from a historic culture to DB's RAWK culture, etc.  This is an utterly false and disingenious reason to support the team that is being heralded by the same adminstration that caused this disaster.  Exactly whose side are you on?  The establishment or the fans?  And don't think for a second that this "Student Body President" (who gives a single shit about University student government?  Go spend another five hours issuing a meaningless statement on the Israeli-Palestinian issue like usual and stop being Dave Brandon's lapdog).

umumum

October 10th, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^

a boycott is so far down on the list of things that will hurt recruiting.  Recruiting has already been hurt because of little things like the won-loss record, the downward trajectory of the program,  the uncertainty of the coaching staff remaining in place, and the fact that we are being held up to ridicule in the national media.  [I don't think recruits care much about the Brandon issues].

Sorry, based on his specious arguments, the student gov pres sounds like someone who has been asked to do this or is just a resume-building establishment-defending type.  He certainly doesn't seem like someone who "gets" the issue or understands football.

BlueFish

October 10th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^

Actually, somebody already tried to organize "Fire Brandon" skywriting.  It was deleted by the mods:

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/moderator-action-sticky-2014#comment-2687471

The entire discussion was deleted along with the OP, but one of the proposed justifications was that such a stunt would hurt recruiting.  Making the players feel bad may have also been proposed.

Humen

October 10th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^

I'm pretty sure this is the same guy who wrote that heavy handed piece in the Daily. He's at it again. "By not showing up [for the kickoff], all we are doing is hurting the players." Really? That's all? This guy baffles me


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Arizona Blue

October 10th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^

The boycott does hurt the players. Diminishes their most important / marquee home game of the year (think of the seniors). How lame is it going to be for them to run out and touch the banner to an empty student section. At this point, everyone ( i mean everyone) understands that the students dont care for the AD

BradP

October 10th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

And at this point, everyone (and I mean everyone) strongly suspects that the administration isn't very concerned with what the students think.  The administration's actions betray a belief that attendance is inelastic and that they can expect people to show up and spend money regardless of prices and quality of performance.

This boycott seems to me to be about making a statement that fans and strudents are not a captive audience and their opinion does actually matter.

The Geek

October 10th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^

it seems Dr. Schlissel is keenly aware of the problem. Besides, I think the students  have already made a strong statement with the protest at his quarters. For now, I'll trust his decision-making ability.

I'm not so sure little Bobby represents the student body on this issue, and he probably didn't need to make a public statement in reference to a potential kickoff boycott. 

Marley Nowell

October 10th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^

Is this discord actually more important than the boycott itself?  All this infighting and bickering just keeps making the situation more toxic which only supports the case to get rid of DB.

LSA Superstar

October 10th, 2014 at 11:09 AM ^

Honestly, the boycott was poorly organized and ravaged by dissent anyway.  I doubt it will happen.

But I will say this:  if you are a current student and you will be attending the game, do NOT allow them to cover up your opposition to Brandon.  They will try to drown you out with the band and with the video board.  Chant and chant often in between cheers for the players. 

Don't leave anyone with any confusion about who you love and who you hate.

Mi Sooner

October 10th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^

The students have already turned in their survey about their experience at a football game; they are not showing up now due to changes brought forth by the AD. In business, people provide feedback by voting with feet and leaving the establishment. Our AD should understand this this, since people provided feedback to him while he was leading Dominos and went to their competitors such as little johns pizza. If you are a leader, then lead and don't be a tool.

TooFratToFail

October 10th, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

Oh, yeah, a student government "leader."  C'mon.  It's another wanna-be-DC-insider with big dreams and no actions beyond a cute, new party name and slogan.  He's likely in Dave Brandon's back pocket like the rest of the University bourgeois.

Wu

October 10th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^

Perhaps a wee bit harsh but yes I'd agree that the student government represents their own interests more than they represent those of the students. I never knew who was in student government when I was there. Almost no one votes in those elections. They seem to be essentially an irrelevant body.

DakotaBlue

October 10th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^

I don't understand the mindset in which people think that the administration somehow is blind to the fact that people want change in the AD and that the only way to communicate frustration is to boycott the kickoff.

Neither Schlissel nor the Regents are living in a vacuum. There is no way that they don't understand the level of anger and the nature of the complaints. That does not mean, however, there will be firings in the middle of the season (at least in the case of Hoke). 

And, if you think they don't get it, there are many other ways to make your feelings known. I suggest sending good old snail mail. Unlike email or online petitions, it piles up physically in their offices.

Boycotting the kickoff or booing during games, however, does affect the players, no matter what they may say. 

DakotaBlue

October 10th, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^

Yeah, I get it.  They "support the players" in their minds, even though their actions -- booing during the games, boycotting the kickoff -- hurts the morale of the players. 

Why is it that the players and student body president sound so much more mature and thoughtful when talking about this issue than us supposedly mature alums with "perspective"?

Rochester Blue

October 10th, 2014 at 6:00 PM ^

You seem to think they ARE keenly aware of the fact that people want a change in the AD. You realize this blog is an echo chamber with a couple hundred regular posters, right? We're not all bigtime donors or friends of the President. 100 snail mail letters and a couple of articles about concussiongate don't convey the feelings of the more passionate fans. Mr. Schissel hasn't been here that long. Is he "keenly aware" of the mass desire to get rid of Dave Brandon? Or will he see the student section full at kickoff and think, "Hmm, there must not be as much discord as I thought. Just a few hundred people showed up for the rally last week too. Dave must be right." There are hundreds of thousands of alumni. Consider there is no waiting list for tickets anymore. SO I ASK YOU . . . What is worse for the players, a nearly empty student section for the kickoff tomorrow, followed by a rollicking crowd a couple minutes in, or a stadium only filled with 90,000 people for most of the games, the entire game, next year? Because if there isn't some sort of statement made now, Dave Brandon will still be the AD after this year, and there will not be full stadiums next year! I think you're too confident in this "keen awareness".

Wolfman

October 10th, 2014 at 8:33 PM ^

As they were going through player intoductions and then the coaches, Lloyd, per usual, got a standing ovation. However, just prior to that as is the norm, the guest are introduced first. When they got to the HC, the fans were already on their seat ready to hear the name. As soon as it was announced about 90,000 - I'm guessing 20K from OH were there the standing turned into an ovation with hoots and hand clapping to the nth degree.

I imagine the same thing happened with Lu-Lloyd in Columbus after about this third or fourth appearance going to Columbus after the Tressel hire just as it did to Cooper in AA. Believe me, they - the principals - are fully aware. I'm not a psychologist but I've long suspected this is why LuLloyd checked out in his last three to five years and largely went through the motions. I don't think he did it to intentionally hurt the next hire, or the one after that, but it's effect became evident when RR thought he'd be walking into an Alabama like environment and wherever he turned he'd see just another clone of the great athlete he had just taken his eyes off of. And we all know what he walked into instead, a roster that had one returning offensive starter and a defense half the size of a typical D1 program and this was Michigan fergodssake. As I said, I don't think he did so intentionally, but some of his actions after the hire would suggest otherwise. But that is not the point. I strongly believe the players should not suffer for the actions of Brandon and that both support and discord can be accomplished at the same time. Show up as normal, rise and applaud as the team is announced, but on a pre arranged signal simultaneously hold up placards stating "BRANDON MUST GO." Ideally, this would be done with the cameras on the student section, but believe me if it were done, it'd take all of two seconds for instructions from the booth to have the cameras redirected to that section. You can do both at the same time. I think that would be more of the "Michigan Way" and don't confuse that with "Michigan Man." Just to suggest we don't ever give players who could have gone to many others schools instead opted to attend Michigan and for what it stands for. But as other poster stated, in the end you will do what you want.

mGrowOld

October 10th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^

When I read this I was reminded of a hostage reading a prepared statement telling me how loving and wonderful his captors really are while a gun is pointed at his head.

Dr. Explosion

October 10th, 2014 at 11:21 AM ^

Comparing a University of Michigan Central Student Government representative to a hostage? You have jumped the shark.

How is this so hard for people to understand? Going with the "Support the Troops" analogy, there is a difference between criticizing the government or military leaders and organizing a boycott of a Veteran's Day Parade. 

bigmc6000

October 10th, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^

They aren't boycotting the parade - they are boycotting the part of the parade when all the officers walk in and coming back when we get to all the enlisted folks.
I don't understand what's so hard about this - they AREN'T boycotting the game, they are boycotting all the crap before the game actually starts. I still think chants and gigantic signs calling for Brandon to be fired are better ideas but at this point I'm willing to entertain anything that can push the university towards a change.


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freejs

October 10th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^

no one's comparing anything by degrees of severity and the "OMG, you're comparing x to y!" argument is one of the dumbest internet crutches out there. Unless you go ad hitlerium. Never compare to Hitler. But this is how analogies work. When someone says, "like a hammer blow to the head," they don't actually mean it is precisely like someone taking out a hammer and smashing someone in the head. Just like the phrase "like a kick in the nuts." Most of us haven't been kicked in the nuts in a while. We just mean that something hurt. 

I shouldn't have to explain how analogies work, but, apparently, that's in order here.