Tom Harmon?
but you'd have to adjust for inflation.
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Could a *current* all-UofM team compete in NFL
October 10th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
#302
uh
October 10th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
#303
Tyrone Wheatley might be
Tyrone Wheatley might be another option that the OP forgot.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
#304
Biakabatuka
Well if we are going back a few years, then we should look at Tim Biakabatuka. If I remember correctly (I was younger so I may not) didn't he have a fairly good rookie year and he looked like he was going to be a good RB if not for doestroying both of his knees in back-to-back years.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
#305
I presume that this is a
I presume that this is a current roster, not historic. If its current, Brady seems to get by with average running backs so it might not be as big of a problem as it would be with Henne under center.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
#306
the
A Train
October 10th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
#307
Also
How about Ryan Mundy? He's got a diploma.
or Carlos Brown? Not a roster guy, but I think he made a dent with the Buccaneers las preseason
October 10th, 2012 at 3:24 PM
#308
Wheatley is 40 now
I don't know of many 40 year old running backs that have been successful in the National. Football. League.
October 10th, 2012 at 8:33 PM
#309
He's a MAN!
He's 40
October 10th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
#310
Since the season has already started, can we assume this is
Next year, and Denard will play RB......my god, Tom Brady and Denard Robinson standing next to each other in the shotgun.
October 11th, 2012 at 7:27 AM
#311
Denard
will never play running back in the NFL. He will get a shot as a slot receiver and kick returner. He's not durable enough to play RB in the NFL.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
#312
There is also Steve Everitt
There is also Steve Everitt at C. I guess it depends on how far back you want to go.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
#313
to put it lightly
No way.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
#314
Miami would be able to field
Miami would be able to field a pretty good defense
October 10th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
#315
Um....notwithstanding we'd
Um....notwithstanding we'd need to get a guy who is at best two years removed from football to play RB - God help this team if the starting QB goes down.
I think you'd be getting points to put it mildly.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
#316
No RB's drafted since 2008 (Hart, obviously).
Then you need to go back to 2004 when Perry was drafted, with Askew in 2003, and then Anthony Thomas in 2001.
Toussaint would win an open tryout, Raback it.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
#317
You forget that when Michigan
You forget that when Michigan Men play together their abilities compound exponentially.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
#318
RB would be a huge hole, for
RB would be a huge hole, for sure. But RB's are not as crucial as they used to be and Tom Brady would ensure that there would be running lanes.
Also, Brady would be fine, as this is an amazing make believe land where dreams come true and injuries only happen to criminals and the homeless. Don't you know how this works?
October 10th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
#319
Miami would have the best
Miami would have the best team hands down, they might not even need a quarterback.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
#320
Take a look at this...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic...
Judging by sheer numbers, FSU should be in the mix, but I have no idea what a two deep would look like.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
#321
Some solid units in there
But short answer is, no chance in hell. Opposing D would pin its ears back and be in Brady's grill on day -- zero running game to protect him, and dodgy line (even with Hutch, Long and Baas).
Defensive front 7 could compete (sort of), but secondary is obviously paper thin (and, frankly, not even full as a starter's unit).
Maybe they could beat the Titans if their punt/kick return coverage units were better than the Lions?
Edit: I'm dumb; obviously punt return coverage wouldn't be an issue with Zoltan punting lasers into the returner's facemask.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
#322
Brady hasn't had a solid
Brady hasn't had a solid running game in NE since 2004 or so, they've done pretty well without.
October 10th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
#323
Are you looking at guys that
Are you looking at guys that are in the NFL, have played in the NFL, or had NFL potential? There are many more to add to this list than what you are looking at.
Martell Webb - TE - Was looked at by a few NFL teams after the draft, IIRC.
Ryan Van Bergen - DE / DT - Drafted by Carolina Panthers, but dropped I believe.
That is just two guys to name from the last few years that had NFL potential / were drafted. But to answer your question, no a team made up of Michigan alumni would not compete in the NFL. Too many good players on all teams in the league.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
#324
Well Tom Brady would have all
Well Tom Brady would have all day to pass. The problem would be our RBs/TEs wouldn't be anything special. The defense would be decent at best and our Kicker/Punter would be good.
I'd say that is a 6-10, 7-9 type team.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
#325
6-7 wins sounds about right
assuming Brady stays healthy. He's taken the Pats to some good seasons even when the rest of the team was nothing to write home about.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
#326
looking a little lite on the
looking a little lite on the DB's.. might want to add Donovan Warren and Morgan Trent
As for OL, you could maybe move Stephen Schilling to OG.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
#327
There are no former U of M
There are no former U of M running/fullbacks in the NFL. I think Askew may have played a little last year, but I do believe he's now gone. That being said, who needs runningbacks when you have an incredible O-line, a legendary QB and one of the most amazing defenses that could possibly be assembled.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
#328
Follow up question:
Would an all-time M team be 16-0 Super Bowl favorites? I'd think the obvious answer is yes, but how many decades would we need?
Michigan has 24 different All-Pro selections, with 30+ Pro Bowlers all time.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
#329
All-Pro M players by position, FWIW.
Harry Newman- QB/HB
Tom Brady- QB
Steve Hutchinson- OG
Dan Dierdorf- OT
Jake Long- OT
Mike Kenn- OT
Ron Kramer- TE
Anthony Carter- WR
Desmond Howard- WR
Len Ford- DE
Tom Keating- DT
Roger Zatkoff- LB
LaMarr Woodley- LB
David Harris- LB
Dwight Hicks- DB
Leon Hall- DB
Ty Law- DB
Keith Bostic- S
Rick Volk- S
Dave Brown- CB
Charles Woodson- CB
Ali Haji-Sheikh- K
October 10th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
#330
Leroy Hoard?
Leroy Hoard? I swear he was Pro-Bowl and All-Pro at some point in his NFL career...
October 10th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
#333
Better yet . . .
Who would win in a matchup between the 22 all-time best Michigan players and 22 Mike Ditkas?
October 10th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
#334
U of M, but by forfeit.
If there was a way to amass 22 Ditkas, they'd be much too busy with their (most likely successful) quest for world domination and would not have the time to play a game of football.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
#335
What happened to Marlin
What happened to Marlin Jackson?
October 10th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
#336
Thanks MGoShoe. I was
Thanks MGoShoe. I was thinking he last played in 2011 for some reason.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
#337
Slight correction
He was then actually picked up by the Eagles for 2011 but sustained ANOTHER season ending injury in camp (I believe it was Achilles...but with him who knows). But this year he was technically still on the team (he had been on IR) but the problems of missing 3 (!!!) straight seasons due to 3 different injuries effectiviely ended his career.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
#338
Injuries ruined him
But he has a super bowl ring.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
#339
I only talk about coaches
I only talk about coaches that coach for Michigan.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
#340
TE
Is Bennie Joppru still in the league?
October 10th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
#341
Dont forget Marlin Jackson
Dont forget Marlin Jackson and Cato June. Both started for the colts for awhile and were decent.
And ofcourse you can't forget Ty Law.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
#342
I have a hard time thinking
I have a hard time thinking any team could field a consistently competitive team. If you just start by looking at the QBs in the league, a number of them went to schools that don't produce enough NFL players to even fill a roster. When I look simply at starting QBs, I'm thinking Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, Oklahoma, USC, Auburn, and UM. So already looking at just one of 22 positions, the list is down to 7 that are possibilities. Sure, you could look into backup QBs and make a case for someone like Texas or ND, but there's also a reason those guys are backups. They can't win on a team filled with other talent, let alone a team scraping by at multiple positions.
As soon as you go into QB/RB combos, the crown thins even more. You're down to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and USC. There are two other X Factor teams that I didn't include in the original list that actually make the cut this far: Cal with Rodgers and Lynch, and Miss with Eli and Green-Ellis. I'm just not sure without looking into it more that either of those schools produce enough at other positions.
Bottom line - no, a UM team could not compete in the league. 2-14 is probably a best-case scenario. But I think that's true for almost any team. Some schools, including UM, are probably 2-5 starters away from being able to compete just with starters, but then yes, the obvious depth issues are apparent.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
#343
If we can count transfers...
Ryan Mundy? Would certainly help shore up the DB situation.
This is actually somthing that I used to do all the time. If I remember correctly, right around the time of Brady's NFL emergence Michigan could have fileded a pretty good team. I think the weak spot then was safety (surprise), and I remember slotting DeWayne Patmon in there because he was on a practice squad somewhere.
Right now, OL depth seems a bit of a problem, as do DBs, but we could assemble one hell of a starting front-7.
Also, as others have mentioned, the lack of RB doesn't really scare me. That position (especially in the NFL) is more and more becoming a collection of interchangeable guys who you run until their legs collapse underneath them.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
#344
With those WR's and Tom Brady
With those WRs and Tom Brady I'm not sure a RB would be needed.
Also, what about Schilling and Hemingway?
October 10th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
#345
Fun, but no
Looking across that roster, as much as I love those guys, the only spot where you're above average for an NFL team is QB. O-line is maybe close to average, though it's pretty think on the interior, and the LB are probably a solid average as far as NFL starters go.
Do we get to count Jim Harbaugh as the coach?
October 10th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
#346
I would think the O-Line is
I would think the O-Line is at the very least average if you move Goodwin - who has started every game since 08 - to gaurd along with Hutch (7x pro bowler). Then Long (4x pro bowler and best lineman in the leauge) paired with Backus, who as much heat as he takes has been above average his whole career. Then, Baas is an average center.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
#347
Baas is just your average
Baas is just your average Rimington Award winning Suberbowl Champion Center signed to replace Shaun O'Hara. His presence in the Giants run game is definitely beyond average this year.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
#348
In an effort to fill out a 2 deep
Keep in mind, the more you poach from inactive NFL players, the more your team becomes "worse than the worst team in the NFL."
Again, this squad couldn't compete in the NFL - I could buy a shocker here or there, but agree with the guy that says 2 wins is a best case scenario.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
#349
Morgan Trent, Gabe Watson, RVB, Schilling, Martell Webb
Ryan Mundy, and Jamar Adams could all be depth.
Wow, RB is a problem, is there a chance that A-Train has stayed in game shape?
Our defense would get smoked, the only way I see this working is to run a 3/4, and make Brandon Graham a LB playing a similiar position as Woodley. Either that or make Woodley a full time DE.
We might have to see if Ian Gold, David Bowens, or Trevor Pryce have stayed in shape, or put in a phone call to Cato June.
October 10th, 2012 at 3:33 PM
#350
Solution to RB problem
Do this again in a year, and move Denard to RB, Heiko-style.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
#351
If this is an all time UM NFL
If this is an all time UM NFL players list then you are missing quite a few good players from your team. If its current players only there are some on that list who shouldn't be(Everritt, A-Train...)
October 10th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
#352
Don't overrate RB
This team would have a good offensive line, Tom Brady and a good defense.
As for the hole at RB, the clear solution is the greatest running QB in the history of the B1G.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
#353
Numbers
There are maybe sixty teams who compete for elite recruits, and another twenty or so from whom an occasional "sleeper" or "late bloomer" develops into an NFL player. There are 32 teams in the NFL. This creates a rather obvious numerical disparity.
Even Alabama would have a problem fielding an NFL team of alums because of the QB position. It's been awhile since Namath and Stabler played. I am thinking that USC is the only school that could field a decent NFL team.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
#354
Well this is fun isn't it.
Well this is fun isn't it. http://espn.go.com/nfl/college
Auburn could probably field a pretty good team. Here goes a half hour of my life looking at every college.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
#355
Is the OP 12? I feel we are
Is the OP 12? I feel we are missing about 121 years of Michigan football on this list.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
#356
you are missing some guys
DBs: marlin jackson, ryan mundy, james hall, morgan trent
October 10th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
#357
It could've happened a few
It could've happened a few years ago. Now the roster would be a little thin, or old. We could still probably beat the Jaguars, Browns, and Panthers. When Brady was first starting we still had guys like Jon Runyan, Jumbo Elliot, Jon Jansen, Glen Steele, James Hall, Dhani Jones, Cato June, Ty Law, BJ Askew, and Tyrone Wheatley playing.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
#358
Basically this offense is the
Basically this offense is the New England Patriots:
Tom Brady with a very good, and veteran, offensive line.
No Running Backs
Average WRs, most are #3 guys on any other team, that work within Brady's system to move the chains.
If you add Funchess, you have your ball-hawking TE!!!
October 10th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
#359
USC, Miami, and Texas look
USC, Miami, and Texas look like they would be the teams to beat.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
#360
Miami would be pretty good...
Miami would be pretty good... except who would their QB be?! They don't have an active QB in the NFL, and I'm not really sure who they have had recently to call up. The only one I can remember playing is Ken Dorsey, and not only has that been a while, but he was a bust. There may be a couple since him, but can't think of them being starters or anything. They would have an awesome defense to keep them in games, and then Frank Gore too, but without a QB, they might find trouble.
Texas' only QB in the NFL is McCoy, who is a backup for the winless Browns. He might have enough talent around him to get the job done though.
USC has Palmer, Sanchez, and Cassel, but not sure who they would throw too. Brady gets it done with lesser known guys, so its not that big of deal. They would have a pretty good defense, so they might be the team we would have to worry about the most.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
#361
Except they'd be playing with
Except they'd be playing with no quarterback. We definitely win that head-to-head, lol
October 10th, 2012 at 2:27 PM
#362
Ohio
Ohio would likely be pretty good too...they tend to have guys drafted. They'd have no QB though. Pryor? lol
October 10th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
#363
Koger
I think he is coaching at a high school this year.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
#364
I've thought about this too,
I've thought about this too, but mine was more of how would our alums in the NFL do against other schools' alums in the NFL, rather than against current NFL teams. If you're just doing active players or people who could be called up and play today(sans injury) I think we would be one of the better teams.
The most important position is QB so you have to have a quality QB to build around. We would be fine there, and would give us an edge. Look at some of the other starting QBs. Roethlisberger-Miami(OH), Flacco-Delaware, Romo-Eastern Illinois. Even Ryan-Boston College , Rivers-NC St & Brees-Purdue would probably have a tough time being able to form a full team to be competitive.
OSU sends a lot to the NFL, but even they would have a hard time competing. For QB they would pretty much be limited to Troy Smith, and .............PRYOR! USC would have some depth at QB: Palmer, Cassel, Sanchez, and would have a solid LB crew + Polamalu, but the QBs wouldn't really have anyone to throw to.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
#365
assuming we're talking about
assuming we're talking about these guys when they're fresh out of college w/ no nfl experience, i'd say they wouldn't be very competitive. maybe win 3-5 games, if that. at the end of the day, they'd still be rookies.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
#366
Another interesting
Another interesting discussion is how many NFL teams would the elite college teams (e.g. Alabama) beat, if any? I've always wondered if the best college team could match up against the worst NFL team. Probably not, but its an interesting discussion.
October 10th, 2012 at 3:46 PM
#367
Absolutely not
Keep in mind that Alabama's players wouldn't even be rookies in the NFL right now. It's pretty rare for a rookie, however talented, to make an impact at most positions. Whatever his talent level, McCarron would be a disaster as a rookie QB. Alabama's current OL will probably produce several very good NFL starters eventually, but other than freaks like Joe Thomas or Jake Long, it's rare for a rookie offensive lineman to even be average in the NFL, so collectively the unit would almost certianly be well below average. Same thing with rookie receivers - unless you have a physical marvel like A.J. Green or Julio Junes, they probably won't make a significant impact. So you end up with an offense that would probably be one of the worst in the league overall, at very best.
It's easier for young defenders to make an impact, but even they have an adjustment period. Look at other highly regarded recent Alabama alums: Donta Hightower was an absolute stud at Alabama last year, but he's struggling somewhat with the Patriots this year. Terrence Cody went through a similar adjustment period when he was no longer the most physically imposing player on the field every play. Kareem Jackson was a lockdown corner in college, but barely an adequate starter in the NFL.
And those are only the guys who are making it. Alabama has had 18 guys drafted in the first 4 rounds of the last 4 NFL drafts, which is a ton. But if you were forming a NFL roster from the last 4 Alabama classes, which probably approximates the talent level of this year's team, 2/3 of your roster would have to be late-round guys or undrafted free agents. You would be counting on significant contributions from a bunch of guys who aren't thought of as quality NFL players by most people.
So in short, although this Alabama team is crazy talented, it's completely unrealistic to expect any college team to be remotely competitive in the NFL.
October 10th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
#368
Zero, now that Millen is out
Zero, now that Millen is out of the league.
October 10th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
#369
Been saying for years
that an all UofM team of guys in the pros we would beat all other all the other all-college teams from the NFL
October 10th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
#370
Justin Fargas
could pass as a running back on this roster. Does he count as someone who has graced the winged helmet in the past?
October 10th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
#371
Well since we're assuming
Well since we're assuming injuries don't exist...gotta hope that Charles Woodson could average around 4 yds/carry - all Brady would need out of the run game. Maybe even hand the ball off to Molk every once in a while for a little thunder/lightning action!
October 10th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
#372
Someone with a lot of time
Someone with a lot of time should assemble this all Michigan team on madden and sim a season
October 10th, 2012 at 2:23 PM
#373
I've already done this in
I've already done this in Madden 2003 for PC.
If I remember correctly my depth chart was as follows.
I know I am missing alot of guys but this was basically a rebuild of the 1997 national championship team. Played as the Bears.
QB: Brian Griese, Tom Brady, Todd Collins
HB: Anthony Thomas, Chris Perry,
FB: ??
WR: David Terrell, Amani Toomer, Marquis Walker, and some more I forget
TE: Jerome Tuman, Jay Remersma
T: Backus, Runyan
G: ??
C??
DT Steele, Josh Williams
DE; Hall, ??
LB: Gold, Sword, Dhani Jones
CB: Ty Law, Woodson
S: ???
K Feely
October 10th, 2012 at 9:40 PM
#374
AND?????
Their record was 16-0 and they were SB champs, right?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
#375
Current UofM long in the tooth
The problem with doing current NFL UofM players is they're getting long in the tooth. Put a roster together 3-4 years ago minimum and we'd have a fairly good team. Now they would likely be a 3-6 game winner at best. Even on an all time we'd be thin at RB as few of our guys have had much success in the NFL, but with a great passing game that helps an average RB be better than they are.
October 10th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
#376
USC
QB- Carson Palmer, Mark Sanchez (Matt Cassell?)
RB- Reggie Bush, Joe McKnight
WR- Damian Williams, Mike Williams, Steve Smith
TE- Fred Davis, Anthony McCoy
OT- Matt Kalil, Tyron Smith
OG- Deuce Lutui, Chilo Rachal
C- Ryan Kalil
DE- Nick Perry, Everson Griffen
DT- Sedrick Ellis, Jurrell Casey
LB- Clay Mathews Jr., Rey Mauluga, Brian Cushing
CB- Terrell Thomas, Shereece Wright
S- Troy Polamolu, Taylor Mays
yup, nobody's beating that team
October 10th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
#377
Texas
QB- Vince Young, Colt McCoy
RB- Jamaal Charles, Cedrick Benson
WR- Roy Williams, Jordan Shipley, Limas Sweed
T- Justin Blalock, Jonathan Scott
TE- Jermichael Finley, Bo Scaife
G- Kasey Studdard, Leonard Davis
C- Derrick Dockery?
DE- Brian Orakpo, Brian Robison
DT- Henry Melton, Lamarr Houston
LB- Sam Acho, Derrick Johnson, Sergio Kindle
CB- Quentin Jammer, Aaron Williams, Cedric Griffen
S- Mike Huff, Earl Thomas
i can't see this passing game having much success, at all; basically, the KC Chiefs
October 10th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
#378
McCoy is terrible
And Young is out of the NFL.
October 10th, 2012 at 2:59 PM
#379
Florida
QB- Tim Tebow
RB- Chris Rainey, Jeff Demps
WR- Percy Harvin, Louis Murphy, Jabar Gaffney
TE- Aaron Hernandez, Ben Troupe?
T- Marcus Gilbert, Max Starks
G- Maurkice Pouncey, ???
C- Mike Pouncey
DE- Carlos Dunlap, Jeremy Mincey
DT- Ray McDonald, Marcus Thomas
LB- Jermaine Cunningham, Brandon Siler, Brandon Spikes
CB- Joe Haden, Lito Sheppard
S- Reggie Nelson, Major Wright
damn, Urban really did recruit some athletic players
October 11th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
#380
And they were
paid fairly.
October 10th, 2012 at 2:55 PM
#381
In a league of all-college
In a league of all-college teams, absolutely. Against other typical NFL teams, maybe win a few games. Very little depth. Starters are solid for the most part though.
October 10th, 2012 at 6:44 PM
#382
Tell you right now as a
Tell you right now as a Steeler fan Mundy sucks hard.
October 10th, 2012 at 11:00 PM
#383
Current owner
Ok who's gong pay these guys and fy them around the league? Oh wait we have Mr Ross the owner of the dolphins.
How about rich eisen in the booth with say Dana Jacobsen on the sideline, Adam Schaefer as a reporter, Desmond Howard in the booth as well
October 11th, 2012 at 6:22 AM
#384
Sure
Current Michigan players, no, but Michigan alumni, yes.
