When we win the national title game it will be close to eclipsing that.
Could Bama 2012 eclipse ohio 2011
I don't think so, simply because it's so early in the season, it's non-conference and non-rivalry, and it's at Jerryworld.
It's a big matchup for sure, but to me it's already lost some of the pagentry.
I will be very happy when Michigan beats bama in a couple weeks. But I won't be as happy as I was (relieved!) when Michigan beat Ohio last November. It will be great but I will be too concerned with the rest of the schedule... and too concerned that a big win will make the players' heads too big (though I think the coaching staff is good about not letting that happen).
As for MSU, I will be annoyed when Michigan beats them this year... annoyed because it should have happened twice in the past 4 years instead of zero. It'll be like rimming out a bunch of free throws and finally swishing one. It doesn't make you very happy because damn, it's a free throw. :0)
As much as I hate sparty, nothing is more gratifying than beating ohio. Especially in Columbus.
Would definitely feel nice to win in the shoe. I don't think beating MSU would come close... Thats like beating an in-state version of iowa - there's just no comparison.
That being said, I don't think any win this season will eclipse the feeling I had after The Game last year. Completely euphoric.
beating urban in his first wolverine-buckeye game would be best this year, followed by alabama, then msu. agree, a loss to bama is no big deal, but a win would over shadow all regular season games except the last one.
For me, it's MSU and it's not even close. I hated losing for so many years on end to ohio, but this losing year after year to MSU is unbearable. That is not supposed to happen, at least it doesn't seem like it. Even though I know that for at least 3 of the 4, they were simply better than us, it just seems unnatural. That is the one "must win" game in my opinion.
Getting the MSU monkey off our backs almost makes it a bigger game for me, but I think the long-term significance of an Ohio State win makes it bigger.
If we lose to Michigan State, it's going to be really annoying because of the streak, but in the long run I'm just not that worried about Dantonio. We're going to once again be consistently better sooner or later. I'd like it to be sooner, but I strongly believe it's just a matter of time before Michigan is hands-down the better team.
With Hoke and Meyer, it's going to be a really good rivalry, and each win is going to be treasured for years. We're all proud that Bo got the best of Woody, but one game would have flipped that 5-4-1 record in the other direction. I feel with Meyer it's more like that--if we want to win this era, we're going to need every game we can get.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the MSU should take priority not because of the 0-4 record but because of the divisions. We WANT to beat OSU every year but we NEED to beat MSU every year.
Winning the Big Ten Championship Game. All others, including MSU and Ohio, wont cause a MGojubilation/breakdown.
I think Bama might have a bigger post-game celebration, purely because the game will be watched by the students on the field in the Big House. With everyone already down there, if we win it'll be crazy.
Is top priority...after beating Bama and ND.
I'm sure that if we just forfeited the ND game this year out of pity, the Domers wouldn't mind.
Their dongs could use a break.
I think where he was going was that while the loss to Sparty is an annoyance (to be corrected this fall) it's a loss to a team that hasn't been to a Rose Bowl in well over 20 years let alone a BCS game or carry the weight o ND, Ohio, or Alabama. With four wins Sparty is full of himself but, end of the day he can't escape his destiny as the Little Brother.
Meet the new boss...
Same as the old boss.
Your four wins in the only down period of Michigan football I have seen in my lifetime give you a newfound sense of purpose and, apparently, confidence.
So much so that you will troll Michigan boards talking up your team. This same team so universally respected that they didn't even get invited to a BCS bowl last year...indeed, passed over for that team from Ann Arbor.
Even in your greatest moment of success...still the little brother.
Now, you go on with your coach "identifying talent" but don't forget every one of those 4 and 5 star players from the state who went to Michigan this year had a Sparty offer. The Caleb Benenoch situation should be instructive about your future.
New Boss//Old Boss
Did you really compare M and Sparty based on results on the football field?
If so, please explain your many Big 10/IG championships over the past 20 years...or your many Rose Bowl appearances? How about that 1997 Sparty National title? 42 B1G championships?
Face it, the idea of bringing up "on field" Sparty accomplishment (aside from a four year outlier) is impossible. Hell, even with M down you still couldn't achieve even a modicum of national success (despite your recruiting strategy...okay, I kid...except the Benenoch part...that is real. Has Sparty even been Top 5 in the last 20 years? Who would remember anyway?
You are no different than the rest Little Brother. It wasn't the Williams era when you were 'down'...it was always.
New Boss//Old Boss
First off, we can't have 2 best moments of 2011. How can the UTL game be the greatest M moment we have ever seen, but not the best in the season? UTL was the most exciting game I have ever seen...Beating ohio was great...really great...which is why for me that was #2 of the year. I couldn't take another loss to Sparty after the 3rd in a row....then we lost again....I'm past dong soul punched....it's time to put those punks back in their place...I want to see a blowout and M run it up on little brother this year. I know it isn't very sportsman-like, but I can't help but feel that way. I want to see the same against ohio, too. This season can't come quick enough.
As big as beating OSU was last season, the significance was in large part a function of the drought we had experienced in the years prior. The game did not have national or conference title implications, the Ohio team we beat was relatively mediocre, and everyone knew that they were about to hire a new coach.
There are any number of scenarios I could envision for this year that would beat that, including (but not limited to) beating Ohio in Columbus. And winning over Alabama may be one of them, depending upon the results of the rest of the year.
I think to michigan fans OSU will always be the bigger game, but unless Urban has an amazing first year Bama will have a much bigger national spotlight. Considering that, and the fact that we are the underdogs, a win against Bama would mean much more in terms of national perception than one against OSU would.
I would still take a loss against Bama and a win against OSU though, of course.
Yes, this is a double post. Yes, it was unintentional. But really, you'd watch it twice anyways, so what's the difference?
you posted it twice.
I recommend watching them both at the same time for maximum effect.
Otherwise I never would have know the earth-shattering importance of having their speeeeeeeeeeed rushers in there. Darius Fleming and Steve Filer coming off the edge.
There are many worse things to double post. This deserves a pass.
Don't know why but I feel like the more this is talked about the less likely it is to occur.
Seeing as we already beat OSU last year, a win against UMASS is technically less likely to occur.
We all know that the most pandemonium inducing, all out nuts with awesomeness moment last year was the UTL victory, which was of course the greatest single Michigan moment any of us has ever witnessed.
Wrong, unless you've never seen a Rose Bowl victory that secured a national title.
Or a victory over Ohio.
I will confess that watching UTL gave me strong pangs of longing to be present in person, despite the vicious commute that would be required immediately after. So I was not there.
But I have a hard time believing it was actually better than beating OSU in '97. Not that it wasn't great, but UM-OSU '97 is the best thing I've ever been to in sports.
I was at both. But I was 12 at the '97 game. I remember everyone going apeshit when Woodson did his Woodson thing, and I remember staying the latest I had ever stayed at a Michigan game post-victory. But there weren't a ton of people still there while I was.
UTL, on the other hand, was chaos. I have never been to a sporting event that was so emotional and, rightfully, capped by karaoke time for 30 minutes after the game. It was a stadium full of people with a ton of energy, no desire to move and not completely understanding why a football game just gave them one of the biggest euphorias of their life. I hugged random strangers, a lot, and so did everybody else. Everyone was too happy and noisy to really even rip on the ND fans, except maybe laughing so more and saying "I don't know WTF happened, but that sucks for you guys".
I feel the stadium experience was hands down better for UTL than '97, but from home, I have no idea.
Having attended both I'd say UTL was the more electric stadium experience (the lights + the poms + Seven Nation Army + 4Q and ending), but the 97 game was much, much bigger given the implications.
I will readily concede that UTL was probably a better atmosphere; it was at night and the acoustics and capacity have improved significantly since '97. Though '97 was extremely loud. I've been to Texas A&M, and to LSU at night, though, so I've seen some pretty live crowds to compare it with.
'97 wasn't just great for the crowd, though, and I think we all know why.
Worst question ever! You really need to think about this before posting. Is your car worth more value after a crash or before? Will Ohio have lot of wins or have crashed? The same question for Michigan = any more brain busters?
I find it odd that some people force themselves into such strange, fruitless prognostication, but hell, Ill bite. Theres only 2 ways I see this thing going down. 1, the line is the game, and michigan suffers a somewhat demoralizing, yet perspective granting loss, thus making it forgettable for both teams. Or 2, michigan makes the jump in this regime's second year that it would seem karma owes them, and becomes a national story, sensation and powerhouse. And I do say powerhouse, because to beat bama will be no fluke and michigan should be able to take care of the rest of their schedule until they meet usc for a national title. So yes, in my opinion, beating bama would be massive. The problem is, I just dont think it's going to happen.
That I completely agree with situation #2, that if we beat 'Bama, we look like a powerhouse. And after doing so (if we do so) we SHOULD beat every team on the schedule. And even though I don't think Hoke and Co. would let it happen, there's this scary burning feeling somewhere that we would get slightly too lax in a game where we shouldn't. And have one loss.
There, I said it, so now it won't come true.
Agree 100%. The Game will always be the game but beating Bama would be huge considering the head start they have had in regard to Saban going there and building and us still re-building from a failed hire/approach. Beating Bama would, just this one year, mean more to me than osu. Deep down, part of me thinks this as a buffer because I think Miller is going to just cause havok his last 2-3 yrs at osu and I don't think we beat them this year anyway. A win against Bama (should they be what we think they are) would just absolutely put our stamp back on the major CFB scene. No doubt, Michigan would be "back" among the elite again even if we lost a few later on. Recruits would see it, etc. A blowout Bama loss just has everyone saying "same old 8-9 win Michigan" we've seen almost exclusively since 1990.
Then again I'm talking out of my a** as beating Urban/osu is just as important. He wins year one and he uses that as a "and these aren't even my guys" ploy. Don't think he'll seal the borders like JT did but it could reverse or slow down our much needed Ohio recruiting. So, in short, I really really want to upset Bama. I do not want an msu type showing on Prime Time National Television as that would just bring the haters out in force. A win does the opposite. Kids see these things and it matters if ESPN and the likes are mocking your program when/if you're going against Bama for a recruit. Yet, because it is Urban's first year and in cbus.....games are about even for me.
Michigan hasn't won in Columbus since Drew Henson was the QB. Did you really forget which game on the schedule is the most important? Obvious answer is obvious.
as always hoke is right. "it's almost personal." the buckeye game it is.
Brady Hoke is a man among boys, and he knows it.
Ohio, Alabama, and MSU are of equal priority to me in 2012. The Ohio win in 2011 was by far the biggest. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant in 20 years or so. The Alabama game will be the biggest game as far as national perception. Beating the best program in the best conference would send shock waves. Losing to MSU for a fifth consecutive season and Dantonio going 2-0 vs Hoke would be a tough nut to swallow. Especially with dantonios behavior and how they physically dominated Michigan upfront last year. Beating Ohio two consecutive years in a row would be huge for M in this rivalry. Especially after the last decade and it being Meyers first season at the helm. I don't see how ND even compares to the other three teams. ND shouldn't even be a top 25 team. Alabama, MSU, and Ohio are arguable top 10.
Ohio is a significant threat and not to be taken lightly, but I need more information to put then in the top 10. They had a looooonnnngg way to go from last season.
Ending that seven game streak (even though the streak was illegitimate) was priority one for Michigan Football. Plus, Ohio is our biggest rival, and The Game is always at the end of the season.
There is no way the first game of the year can match the intensity of The Game. I don't care who it is against.
Do I want Blue to win? Yes.
Will it be extra exciting to see them beat an SEC school? Yes.
Will there still be at least 11 games left this season? YES
Lets compare these games to the chores on your honey-do list:
Alabama game: Like cleaning out the garage, it would be great to do but not the end of the world if you don't.
Ohio: Like painting the deck, a lot of work, but when its done it looks great and is something to enjoy for the rest of the year.
MSU: Pretty much the same as cleaning up after the dogs. No glory, but its something that needs to be done.
The Game is always the most meaningful contest of the year. This year breaking the bad streak against Little Brother is also important. An overlooked game of importance is the Nebraska game. I remember when PSU joined the conference. They had been an elite program and UM began beating them year in and year out. UM got inside the heads of those in the PSU program and all we did is win. This is our first trip to Nebraska as division rivals. A win there could demoralize Nebraska and set a nice precedent for the future. Beat the Huskers this year and they will question their ability to beat Michigan.
Depends on the manner in which the Alabama game ends. If there are 3 TD's scored in the last 1:45 of the game, and Michigan wins on a Denard Robinson 50 yd+ Hail Mary pass to Roundtree, or anyone for that matter, then I think the Alabama game would eclipse UTL.
It (mostly if not all) depends on perspective.
I live in Ohio... can you guess which game has the circle around it?
Last year was magical; for UTL I nearly had a heart attack. I remember the disbelief after the last touchdown & for some reason I chucked my son's box of ninja turtles across the room in celebration. However, there was a greater celebration for THE GAME. Do you remember that hit that Kovacs "Boomed" on Herron? How about the stolen touchdown? How about the final interception to seal the victory?
The jubilation began with the contents of a can of Mt. Dew flowing over my head. Of course my son followed suit and cracked open a cold one and did the same thing. It was unbelievable. And sticky. And amazing.
I already did that after THE GAME in the form of a tremendous carbonated beverage.
But the Sugar Bowl had an exciting & memorable impression. This was the end for those who stayed. Was it irony (considering the past struggles with kickers) that the game was saved by a field goal? And that press conference w/ the brunette comment... classic.
One note that I forgot to add in regard to THE GAME; this was the game that brought us one of the best .gifs known to man!
I can bet an embed is coming...
Actually, we would be overjoyed. The prospect of having the privilege of being pummeled by the reigning champion would invoke such gratitude in our hearts that we would need plastic surgery to remove the smiles off of our faces. We might even declare that day as a new "Michigan Holiday." It would result in a new greeting card aisle in Hallmark.
is always the next one. BAMA! Living in the Florida penis-ula, I hear "S. E. C" ringing in my head. I'd sacrifice myself to football ballhalla for a dubya in that one.
I used to live in Jacksonville & the SEC fans are extremely arrogant. Once I had an argument with an uninformed young man who believed that the SEC was the historical powerhouse of college football--- he could not be persuaded otherwise. You can't really reason with rednecks too well...