for the link, Your Dudeness.
I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
for the link, Your Dudeness.
After watching Hoke yesterday, I really think that he'll be a hell of a recruiter.
I've never been recruited as a football player, but I'd bet that a big part of recruiting is convincing kids and their families that you genuinely care about them and will care for them in school and beyond. He's going to be able to do that. Sure, there are a handful of kids/families who don't care about that stuff at all and just want flashy coaches to turn them into celebrities. This is a small group, though, that isn't necessarily composed of the best players in the country and probably doesn't have a lot of kids whom I'd like to see at Michigan.
Sam seemed to think that Hoke was a good recruiter after his Michigan coaching days, and that opinion was also held by the west coast recruiting experts.
Webb's Detroit News article today was on the same subject:
and he is completely back peddling and just said "Harbaugh recruited nationally". Yet he doesn't think Michigan can. What a joke. Michigan can recruit on the level Harbaugh did at Stanford.
I'll believe that when the climate of Ann Arbor matches Palo Alto.
Look at Harbaugh's recruiting classes while he was at Stanford. If you don't think we can bring in that level of talent, we're in huge trouble.
...recruiting advantages/disadvantages and I'm positive U-M comes out ahead, climate notwithstanding.
So what is Brian's solution, keep Rich Rod who was 15-22 in three years and 0-6 against MSU and OSU. Rich Rod obviously did not understand what Michigan was and made the program more about himself than about MIchigan. He needs to come out of his mom's basement and see the light more often
Brian himself would never claim to be a journalist. He is a fan that writes a blog about his favorite team. It just so happens that the blog is very good.
I think we all need to take a time out and chill. So Brian is not thrilled with the Hoke hire, get over it.
No. It's infuriating when people say "Brian isn't a journalist. He's a blogger." That's such a cheap excuse. Brian is effectively both. He routinely reports news for a widely read blog. His cc reports were presented as reportage, based on his contacts and expertise. They were taken as such. If they were presented as just random speculation, nobody would give a shit.
You don't get a pass just because you call it a blog, as opposed to a newspaper. Plenty of blogs are both. If we're gonna hold other reporters accountable for their flaws, then we ought to hold Brian to similar standards.
In general, being on Radio is an acquired skill. I wouldn't read too much into it. Does not mean Brian isn't a good journalist. Clearly he is a fan, but I do think it was much too soon to go on the radio. Need a couple of months for things to calm down. Right now no one knows whether Hoke will be good.
I can tell you this though. For those who say RR never had support, going 3-9 and not getting fired required significant support in year 1 alone. He lost support over time. And for those who think Hoke is getting too much support (like Carr - at least to me there seemed to be far too much criticism of Carr compared to RR), I can guarantee another 3-9 season next year will spell DOOM for Hoke. No excuses will be acceptable this time.
Rich Rod came up with the phrase, "All in for Michigan." And the fact that this team is staying together for Hoke is because, in my opinion, Rich Rod instilled in them "The Team" ethos that your avatar brought here forty years ago. That ethos was not there when RR arrived.
Rich Rod failed because of defense. He's a good guy and a Michigan Man in every sense of the word. Let's not kick a good man when he's down. And hopefully, one year from now, let's thank him for setting us up for success under Hoke.
Can we please bury the "all in" phrase. That might be the worst thing RR brought to A2. I agree that RR was a "Michigan Man" (anyone who works there ass off for the school earns that title in my view), but "all in" has been divisive from day 1. It's about being "all in" for RR, not the program. When he spoke in front of "Detractors Not Allowed", it was even more clear.
Let's just stick with what Brady said, "This is Michigan", and put the past in the past.
Rich Rod obviously did not understand what Michigan was
A perfect example of the nonsensical, xenophobic garbage constantly thrown at RR. He loses games and it's because he, an arrogant outsider, does not understand us. I mean, if we're properly understood we have to beat OSU and MSU, right?
Cook says when RR left the WV program did dip on offense.
Did need to go from Michigan. after the bowl game.
Just doesn't know about the Hoke hire making us a national power.
Caller says Hoke is all about the lines.
says Hoke can recruit
says Hoke will bring us back because of the line play
Webb says Hoke recrutied very well at SDSU.
Cook says he likes that.
Cook says Robinson was the worst hire ever.
Brathwaitte was also a bad hire, no offense but it was his first job and at Michigan.
RR is respected offensively but the defensive guys are not (not hired quickly).
Cook wishes it would have worked out. Overlooked personal quirks. Wishes we could have hired a top end DC. It failed. Now we don't have a head coach who is an advantage against other teams. Says Chip Kelly is an advantage with all facets and he has won every where. (Hoke has not - unsaid).
Whoa dude. Whoa. You gots to chill, man.
I don't think he is burying Hoke, in my opinion.
I think he is underwhelmed with the hire (which up until the rah rah speech we kind of all were.)
I think he may have felt that if we are trading RR for Harbaugh then that is fine, but trading RR for Hoke was stupid (I dont want to put words in his mouth). If that is the case then I agree with Biff.
NOTE: This is all my opinion. I have no contact with Biff other than my addiction to his blog.
Everywhere = New Hampshire(as an OC) + an Oregon job where the staff has been together for 20 years and the transition has been planned years in advance?
If he really said that, then w, jw
even if he says something you dont like, theres no call for that
I don't think there's as much hypocrisy there as you think. People submarined RR from the beginning because he was an outsider, spoke with a drawl, OMG wouldn't pay his buyout, and by the time the discussion got to what he had accomplished and what he brought to the field, the Rosenbergites didn't want to hear about it. Brian is less than enthused about Hoke because of what he's done and hasn't done on the field.
That's not accurate. There may indeed have been a small group of insiders who opposed the RR hire, but the majority of the public supported him. It wasn't just that initial "approval" or lackthereof that Mgoblog was so angry about. Any comment that RR might not be able to turn water into wine (based on things like...his stats and record at Michigan) was greeted with angry, swearing insults (plus "not all in", "not a fan", "turn in your tickets", etc.).
The real laugher is that a common excuse for RR's failure was "It's the fans fault because they didn't support him from day 1". So, if you really believe that...why would you give that treatment to Hoke? RR lost his job because of his performance; not his accent. The folks who can't get over that, really ought to practice what they (so angrily) preached.
Have a nice ride.
While I agree with the general "hypocrisy" sentiment, calling Brian (or anyone here) an "asshole" is just falling into the same path plowed by the angry RR-supporters. You don't need to go down that road.
Webb says how can you overlook Ball State success for Hoke.
Cook says he won against Navy and that was his biggest win.
Says the last year at SDSU is his biggest positive says we need to win 9 games next year and every one will be all on Hokes jock.
Media will go nuts.
Michigan can plausably get back into OSU realm. Tressel gets old and we can be even with OSU in 5 years. Best case scenario from Brian.
Thanks for the play-by-play, much appreciated.
What was RR's biggest win here? Wisconsin, Uconn, ND? Hardly great teams.
Brian needs to give this a couple years. Looking back @ the 2010 season, games against UMASS, IND, ND, ILL could easily have went the other way. I was all in for RR, until the Wisconsin game. There wasn't enought improvement.
I'm not saying that Rodriguez had great wins, but each of those 3 teams you brought up won their respective bowl games this year. Just saying.
Wisconsin and UConn both lost their bowl games.
You're totally right. My bad. I got all caught up in the emotion of this thread. Again, my sincere apologies and thanks for setting me straight.
by the biggest
Get over it. Like everyone has said, Rodriguez's tenure is over and there's no reason to re-hash. The point is that there are a lot of people who feel burned from the events of the past 2 months and need time to get over that before we can throw all of our support Hoke's way. That's not to say we don't support him, but we're not yet "all in" like others may be.
Aren't you guys tired yet of dancing on his grave?
Hoke only lost to TCU by 5 in TX late in the season.
I know a loss is a loss...
Their other losses were against Utah by 4, Mizzou by 3 and BYU by 3. All very close games against competitive, ranked teams (BYU not ranked, but won bowl game).
What to make of it? I have no idea...
Navy is Hokes biggest win anywhere.
RR has beaten big time programs. Georgia is one that comes to mind.
Wisconsin was a pretty great team this year as well. ND is a bigger win than Navy... you would have to agree with that.
We lost to them by a ton. If you mean the year we beat them, 2008, they were 7-6. Not great by any means. But yes, Rich has had some bigger wins.
Yet his big wins came at WVU, so who really cares?
Why exactly is ND a better win than Navy? Because they lost to the middies this year at a neutral site and last year in south bend?
Brian was just called "Drew Sharp" by a caller
I think Brian should detox before getting back on the radio...this coaching search has hurt him more than I expected
Says Hoke was fit for a mid-level B1G job.
Got a better one.
Says he IS NOT A TERRIBLE HIRE.
Says it is a critique of the things essentially holding michigan back the way we ran RR out of town.
People were buying one-way tickets for RR before he ever coached a game.
Is Brian now setting up a travel agency to do the same?
If you don't see the difference between what Brian's doing and what Rosenberg did, I don't know what to tell you.
You're right, you're not doing a good job of explaining the difference. Brian for 3 years has had Hoke as the coaching candidate devil, and now that it's come to be, he's not even taking any notion that he could be wrong, and could be a good fit. Rosenberg at least waited till Rich offended his oh so delicate sensibilities before he flip-flopped on him (his first article on Rich was one of high praise). I guess at least Brian is being consistent. But Rosenberg at least waited for something to happen before being completely turned off.
OK, then, it's like this: If you ever see Brian take the attitude that he must destroy Hoke and Michigan in order to save Michigan, then I'll admit being wrong.
I don't recall Rosenberg's initial column, but I remember this: it was long, long before RR coached his first game at Michigan when Rosenberg turned against him. Brian's anti-Hoke because of Hoke's resume. His main criticism isn't leveled against Hoke, as I see it. In fact, Brian went out of his way to look for upsides in Hoke. His criticism is leveled mainly against those who hold the idea that "Michigan Man" trumps all else. At any rate I highly doubt we'll see Brian take an active role in destroying the program as others did. I see consistency in Brian's approach, to the point of criticizing Drew Sharp for being Drew Sharp even when it means defending Hoke.
To summarize: I think Brian is not rooting for Hoke's failure. I'm practically convinced there were many who were rooting for RR's failure. There was at least one. That's the difference.
They were "saving" Michigan (even if they were horribly wrong). I'm not sure WHAT Brian is going for with this take. It's certainly not helping. But I'll happily agree/concede that Brian isn't rooting to be right like they were. He'd happily flip-flop if proven wrong, and will enjoy every victory. (However, I have some doubt for the first time the way he's clinging to his views from the past, and has ignored the negatives that he isn't waiting to say "I told you so", because he can't accept being wrong in the least).