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He might as well spit in our face....Just like what Brionte did last year...I know how the Buckeyes felt.
Just like Brionte? So does that mean he's going to stick with us?
I think you're taking this too personally.
Good. Hellooo McQuay!!
Best of luck to him. If he doesn't want to be blue and be apart of the greatest program of all time then that is his loss.
he does want to be apart from UM.
Why do you wish him the "best of luck"?
Screw him if he isn't here
I just wish this would be over with either way.
Do we know when the "big news" is supposed to happen with Treadwell today?
See ya later Conley! Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
Visiting our biggest rival on the day of THE game? I can't even think of a bigger 'FUCK YOU MICHIGAN' statement.
Wish him well, but we can find a better match. Buh bye Conley.
Will neg every post of yours until you change your Bolivia worthy sig line.
And it bugs me when players do this. It is one thing if there is a big change going on at a school, but what has changed at either Michigan or OSU since he committed to us? Take your time at first before you make this decision because all you are doing is screwing someone else who would have wanted to come here.
I know there is a lot of pressure on these kids to commit early but, once you have made a commitment you must stick by that commitment unless there is major change. As in many areas of our society, the word commitment doesn't mean much anymore.
Statistics have shown nationwide that only 1 out of 10 college students don't change their major and see their college path through from start to finish. That means 90% of kids already in college change their minds, switch programs, or schools, or don't even finish. It's not unreasonable for a high school student to do so too. He has to chart his next 4+ years before it happens in one lump decision, and once he's enrolled he's basically stuck with it no matter how differently he might feel in a couple years. Tons of pressure, tons of people pulling him in different directions, and lots of tough decisions. If 90% of American college students do it, then 17 year olds should be able to as well without being villified.
Changing a major as a "student" effects only the student, no other people have been "committed" to. Really, what one chooses to major in is not a "commitment". One can commit to it, but they would really be the only one effected by changing it. It would be my hope, that if my son ever had the privilege of being in this position, that he would be a man of his word... regardless of the end result.
Isn't that what a lot of Michigan recruits are being criticized for, right now? "Taking their time"? Thinking of Treadwell and Green, among others, past, present and future.
I'd disagree and say for the most part people on this Board have applauded Green and Treadwell in taking their time to make informed decisions.
Obviously I'd love for them to commit but understand it is a major decision considering there is no going back once you have committed to us. Therefore want them to take all the time they need so we have as few Conley situations as possible.
First of all I think a lot of people are fine with Green and Treadwell taking their time. Second of all Green and Treadwell have been everywhere multiple times so some people feel like there is no point in them waiting anymore. If Conley would have took his time in the beginning then people wouldn't have any beef with it.
No, people criticize Treadwell for talking about being in love with different schools on different days,he is a tease. That is different from Green, who plays close to the vest.
Conley is a 3* prospect, not nationally ranked and barely Top-50 in the State. When we offered him in March, he only had offers from Marshall and Northwestern.
He had no idea he was going to blow up, and jumped on what was the biggest opportunity of his life (so far). You say he should have "taken his time, so he doesn't screw someone else who wants to be here". For all he knew, if he had "taken his time", then someone else would have filled that spot. Remember, this was when we had that 8 recruit weekend, and our class was filling fast, he had no clue if he would be left behind in all the shuffle
Yeah I'm not going to agree with the assumption that Michigan should be a place holder for anybody. We are an elite program this isn't East Lansing brother.
This is Michigan fergodsakes!
We're not being a "placeholder" for anybody. It's not like he's a 5* recruit who committed somewhere so people would leave him alone. We were his only big offer, of course he was gonna commit. Not committing would have been stupid
And now that's he's been blowing up in the last few months, he wants to reconsider his options, which he didn't have back in March.
It's disappointing for us, but he's not doing anything dishonest here, or using UM as a placeholder
Very true, when he committed it was basicallly Michigan or nothing. Easy choice. Now it's been a while and it's Michigan, or a lot of other top schools blowing his phone up and promising him the world. That's a brand new decision to make, and he needs to make the best one that suits him, not us.
but IMO you aren't part of this class after you visit our biggest rival on the day of THE GAME.
That is offensive and unacceptable.
He got an offer from Ohio, which he did not have when he committed. I mostly agree with your point. But in fairness things have changed. Adults do the same thing all the time with jobs, why should we expect a difference from kids.
Because some fans are unreasonable and can't look at things objectively.
Some people visit ohio . Wolverines BEAT ohio!!!
...is just the mirror-image of what one sees on the Ohio State message boards. That is, it is presumed on both sides that Brady Hoke's policy is like a loyalty oath, and anyone who violates it is a traitor. Like Michigan is a special case, not just applying its own policy. Michigan fans seem to love it, and Ohio State fans loathe it.
Not that I care greatly one way or another (I'd prefer to see Conley at Michigan, rather than OSU), but I am really looking forward to the day that somebody gives Michigan an oral commit, then takes a competing visit (losing his "spot," such as it is) and then recommits to Michigan either before or even after National Signing Day, when the shcolarship numbers shake out favorably, just to undermine all of this mythical 19th century "loyalty" stuff.
Actually you are wrong. If the situation was reversed OSU fans would be wishing ACL tears on the kid. Speaking of ACL tears does anyone know how Blake is recovering? I can't wait for him to be back.
I love Hoke's no-visit policy.
I'm not sure you understand what it does.
Section 1, I'm not on board with the juvenile flaming of Conley that's going on here, but why is it so reprehensible for a coaching staff to protect itself in recruiting? This isn't 1972 in the unlimited scholarships era—there's only so many at a position that any coaching staff can give out, and accepting a verbal commitment from a particular kid logically means they have one less to give to some other potential recruit, who will very likely turn to another school in response. If the original kid then starts looking at other schools again, then the coaching staff is in danger of not having any suitable fallback options. The message from the beginning has been "Don't give us a commitment unless you're damn sure this is where you want to be, because we'll be counting on you if you do. If you're not sure, then don't commit." What you seem to regard as a 1950s-McCarthy-era "Loyalty Oath" is nothing more than a coaching staff having reasonable expectations about the decisions of these high school kids.
I actually don't mind Hoke's policy. I am perfectly fine with him running things they way he has.
But I don't think it is about some exalted notion of loyalty. It is about managing shcolarship numbers and expectations, in the highly regulated and artificial world of collegiate recruiting. Essentially, it is all about getting to the best class of 22 or 23 or 24 or whatever-number. And how you do that, the best way possible. Nothing to do with "Michigan fergodssakes," which is how I think our rivals view the policy.
Just to be totally clear: The Hoke policy, as near as it has been formalized, is that if Gareon Conely takes a visit to OSU, his scholarship will no longer be held based on his oral commitment. His scholarship will be shopped around. As far as I am aware, most recruiting gurus interpret the situation to mean that "that ship has sailed, sunk, whatever" in the immortal words of Thomas Wilcher. But the formal Hoke policy is NOT that Conley is kicked out in any real sense. And if, perchance, by February, Michigan strikes out on McQuay, Treadwell and every other quality WR/DB to rival Gareon Conley, it seems to me that there's no reason not to reoffer Conley if he isn't already a Buckeye by then.
This is exactly right. There is a fine distinction that many seem to be missing re: the Hoke policy. When a committed recruit takes visits, we don't pull his offer. We just consider him uncommitted, like any otter offered recruit. A commit has a guaranteed spot held for them. Once you start taking offers, you no longer do and if another kid with a committable offer chooses to commit, as an uncommitted kid without a spot held, you run the risk of getting closed out.
Section 1 responded, but I took it as criticizing a lot of the responses on here, the "Well we only want Michigan-men here, and if you're not 100%, then good riddance"
Don, you hit the nail right on the head with this comment. Please copy this, and re-insert into the next post about a commit visiting another university!
If you think this is anywhere close to the reaction you would see on an OSU board, you haven't been to many OSU boards.
Seriously. One minute everybody is all in favor of our recruits taking visits and bashing Hokes policy, and now they're bashing recruits for going where they want to go. GTFO with that crap. Kid can do what he wants.
You don't seem to get it.
Loyalty, its so 19th century. Who needs it.
On another note, I could be wrong but you appear to be one of the many that misunderstand the policy. Its a great policy that basically says Michigan will hold your scholarship as long as you remain committed. Its is absolutely laughable for recruits to say they are "committed" but look at other schools and in some cases still list favorites. That is not committed, that is just holding a spot while you make a decision.
No, I do understand the policy, in pretty much the same terms as you described it. Michigan will not hold scholarships for recruits who take other visits and who essentially allow themselves to continue to be recruited. I got that; I undestood it all along and I am thinking you must have missed the part where that is pretty much what I wrote.
And I didn't even criticize the policy as such. I said I had no problem with it. I simply said it should not be viewed as a loyalty test; it is Hoke's way of dealing with the pre-signing day period.
If we took the policy as somehow having determined that Gareon Conley was "disloyal," we ought to think about never allowing him near Ann Arbor again, unless he is on an opposing team bus. But if we took the policy as part of the recruiting numbers game, we might be able to find a place for him later if it turned out that the numbers work out that way.
not a single recruit that has taken a visit elsewhere has come near Ann Arbor again... Dawson is now deciding between MSU and OHIO...its not just that the scholly isnt held.. they are no longer recruited after breaking their commitment
All that being said..what if he just wants to pull a David Boston or Maurice Clarett? Would Hoke let him do that?
But so far, the sample size is small. Which is why made a point of saying that I wouldn't be counting on Conley to stay blue, but that I was looking forward to the first case to break the rule.
I think the rule is fair, but I would like to have kept Pharoh and Dawson in these classes. I guess im kind of torn on the issue.
That's some bullshit
It's probably best in general not to get too attached to recruits before signing day.
last thing I'd like to see is a player who doesn't really want to be here.
Don't come back were done with you.
Conley seems to have played this as honestly as possible and, from what I know, been very upfront with the coaching staff. I see no reason he would lose his offer, unless someone else takes his spot while he opens things up. He has been much more open and honest about this than others that have lost their spots over the last two years.
Regardless of the outcome of the no visit policy, I notice that I never see a player or staff member bad-mouthing a decision by a fellow commit/recruit/player/student/dude.
We the MGoBloggery could learn a lot from that.
Thank you. Some people act as if Conley is about to commit a crime of some sort. I respect and agree with Coach Hoke's policy. At the same time, I find absolutely no need to bash or not wish anything but the best of luck for Conley and similar recruits. They are still kids, and I can understand committing too early at that age especially if the recruit didn't receive high level offers from the get go. Whining about the wish washy nature of a high school kid is pretty absurd in my opinion.
Not that I think they would, but coaches are not permitted to discuss recruits until they have signed a LOI.
Or is he just going to the game, and they are taking that running with it. This would be the perfect game for him to go to campus and just say he's watching Michigan play Ohio
Unofficial, but he'll be on the sidelines with the rest of the recruits. It's hard to resist a front row seat
This is why we need to take "Michigan is my dream school, I was a huge fan growing up" with a grain of salt
He has been open and upfront throughout this process. If he visits Ohio this weekend, he knows the coaches will no longer hold his spot open. At least he didn't do it behind the coaches back. If he decides in the end that Michigan is the place to be, and there are spots open, I would welcome him back.
I just told a friend of mine whose a Buckeye that I hope Michigan fans react with more class and respect than Buckeye fans did last year....
another one of the players we have offered decide to commit and grab his now open spot...
Kind of feels like a slap in the face. He couldn't have picked any other weekend? Jeez
It is a slap in the face. Total disrespect. He should be cut loose and forgot about.
Well he could just go to Ohios next game......oh yeah. No he couldn't possibly have gone to another Ohio game at this point.
Then he should have gone to one before. It's very disrespectful to go on a visit to a school who is playing the school you're committed to.
Regardless of sanctions, this would be OSU's last home game.
Hoke made a commitment to him and he made a commitment to UM. Hopefully he stands on the Blue sideline Saturday to see the respect, passion and character of UM in the snake pit.
Four years in AA is the best choice, but good luck if he chooses a 2nd class education and win-at-all-cost program.
Upward and onward for Michigan either way.
You all are way over the top on this. If he visits Ohio, that is his choice. It doesn't make it worse that he is visiting during The Game - I see it as better. This would be the best game to go to the entire year, and we know he has interest in UM as well - so why not?
He has been open and upfrot with the coaches. There is a real chance that this could end up with him recommitting depending on how his visits go and who signs in the meantime. If so, this thread will be a head-hanging wall of shame. I'm not saying that he will recommit, but there is a legit chance.
You're right that at least he gets to see Michigan too, which will be helpful if we play well and get a win. But, the potentially bad thing about that is he is visiting our rival when they play us. That means not only is he visiting our rival and listening to the normal pro-OSU propaganda. But, he is also learning how to hate Michigan and learning about the rivalry from the perspective of OSU while being surrounded by OSU players and coaches. So, in a way he is learning how to hate Michigan. He will be surrounded not only by pro-OSU agendas, but also neg-UM agendas all day to a degree that would only happen if they played us. That is what is dangerous about it. The only way it's good for us is if all the negative talk about Michigan upsets him because he still likes us. But, the potential to make him go the other way, especially as an Ohio native is very real IMO.
Conley lives in Ohio. I'm sure he already hears enough pro-Ohio/anti-Michigan crap already.
"He was nothing until Hoke found him"
I could do without bulls*** like this being posted. This is an extremely stupid statement.
Are you under the impression that Hokes offer made him a better player or something?
If this means we start working harder to get McQuay, then I hope he has a fantastic time. McQuay is ready to play right away.
Let Conley be. It is his decision. It is his loss in the end. Not going to wish him luck because I cannot stand anything about Ohio. I am upset I have to drive through the state to get to Michigan.
Hoke wants players who want to be here, and those kids WILL BE successful. If you want to visit other schools then hold off on committing
LTT is solid blue.
He just tweeted don't believe what you read.
but what's saying this isn't just him going to the game, besides the fact that he has discussed visiting there before? Isn't OSU not that far from his house?
if he wants to go to ohio, that's his choice. if he wants to stay, great. but if not, hopefully we'll get mcquay in the fold.
I trust the coaches ability to evaluate talent. However, he's only a 3* for a reason. He's replaceable!
LTT is solid Michigan, simple as that
he even had a mcfarlene figure recently made of himself with # 72 on it in the maize and blue
This is 100% true, my father-in-law is actually the one who made it for him...
Please follow that up with, he paid full price.
No worries, he paid for it....just kind of a cool story though seeing those figures on here and that he got to make one for LTT, he's also made them for Jake Long and Rick Leach in the past....i have a ton of them too!
Wow some of you need to get a grip and show some class. Happy thanksgiving.
haha this is awesome my father-in-law made this a few weeks back...
LTT looks good wearing that number!
these four Mgopoints to your father-in-law.
Haha I would if I could, he does all the work and I just reap the benefits
Maybe he's just visiting because he wants to go to "the Game"! Cut the kid some slack, what happens if he ends up standing on the UM sideline, would everyone be cool with that?
Except that UM can't have visitors for the game. Away teams can't have visitors.
I wish he would decommit, or not visit. The fact that he thinks he's staying committed while taking visits bugs me.
I don't believe he thinks he's staying committed. By this point, Hoke's policy is clear. However, since he's been honest about everything, unlike Dawson and Brown, there's a chance he could recommit in Feb if we have an opening.
If he doesn't believe he's committed, he should tell the coaches as much. In my opinion, taking a visit before decommitting is not the way it should be done.
Didn't Clarett stand on Ohio's sideline when he took an official visit to UM?
sidesboth sides and scalped one of them for a little cash, which he subsequently blew on hooch and a set of stolen rims.
this thread is a great example of reasons to bring back the old point system. Would love a bunch of these flamers to see a big ole' fashioned neg bomb.
Have fun with that "education".
The, "see ya, we never wanted you anyway," responses here are really sad. As a fan base, I'd like to think we're better than this. The coaches obviously wanted him, or they wouldn't have offered. Let's be proud of our coaching staff and their ability to evaluate talent, and this excited for our class regardless of rankings. This young man isn't even old enough to vote. Why get so upset over any decision he makes? Would I like to see him come to Michigan? Absolutely. He seems like a very talented young man. Do I want him to keep to a commitment that would make him miserable for four years? Absolutely not. That would end poorly for both Michigan and Conley.
I think the choice of game is what has people riled up. Personally I think the coaches can't pull his offer because they'd look pretty shady for that as he was honest the whole way through, but given the choice of this game for a visit, I'd be surprised if they put much effort into his recruitment. Conley may not mean to send a message, but that is definitely what he's doing whether he means to or not.
Why would it look shady? Hoke has a rule, and Conley intends to break it. Why would that make it shady? It's never shady to pull offers from uncommitted prospects, every school does it.
Can he recommit after his visits or is this it?
If he was upfront with the coaches the whole time an went about it the right way then yes, he could recommit.
This is probably the turkey talking, but I have to wonder if maybe Meyer put him up to this. We know damn well he's committing to them on Saturday. What better way to stick it to us than having a commit flip during The Game.
It is quite likely that Urban is hoping for a "recruiting spin" from this approach. Whether Conley fits their scheme (unlikely) or whether Urban missed on bigger stars (likely), this late push is a publicity move.
It takes a few cycles for these games to start eroding a roster's fit and players/parents to recognize the publicity shenanigans.
Now remember if Ohio is what we all know it is, we welcome you back with open arms. So hurry up down there before you lose your spot.
Maybe he wants to really know what it feels like to be on the losing end of THE GAME since he is committed to play for us., and how about those Houston Texans baby.
TD was a crock of shit. Elbow down, knee down, totally blown call followed by an extra 15 yard 'fuck you Detroit' penalty. That was NO TD.
I like Brionte Dunn, it is
What has bugged me about Conley is his parents up to this point. Every article has been about them pushing for visits. It is their sons decision and up until recently it was Michigan... I hope it works out for him, but I hate reading articles about recruits parents wishes.
There was a quote from his dad in one of the roundups saying his dad wanted him to stay at Michigan.
Regardless who wins the game Conley will be gone. Goes back to Hoke saying make sure your done with visits to other schools before you commit to Michigan. I'm okay because I think Channing Stribling is an absolute STUD!!!!
Still no "big news" from Laquon?
Idk, just go F5 his twitter or something.
I rely on you guys for twitter info :)
Well, if you're so reliant on us guys for everything, you'd know that any "big news" would be front paged, no? I just wouldn't advise coming into a thread about one of our recruits, only to essentially say "good riddance" and ask about another one. It makes you out to be disingenous, and is at the very least, offtopic to this thread.
Be resourceful and searrrrrch next time.
Honestly, I'd really rather not have Conley replaced, but I seem to be in the minority here (thread-wise). Too bad.
I agre with you, and I think most of us would love to have him back, but it's kind of a knee jerk response to his visit to Ohio.
He is still a kid and is looking for what for him is the best option. The system Hoke has developed takes indecision into account. Hoke will not hold his position if Conley wants to shop around, but if Conley decides UM is the place for him, and a spot is still open, he is welcome. Ultimately, he will likely be more committed in such a scenario as he has done his homework. Preferably, all these recruits do their homework before they committ so there we don't have these situations, but in reality, it is unavoidable. Conley is a good recruit. If we lose him, our program survives and we will fill his spot with someone of equal or better value. If we get him, he will truly be committed. Either way, it is a good outcome.
If he shows up wearing M gear.
When we BEAT OHIO
smh. : /
Perhaps he's just going to visit his future Wolverine teamates. I'm fighting the urge to overreact.
This is why we need to go back to the days of not knowing who the hell these kids were prior to showing up on the field.
This thread is an embarassment.
We need to trust our coaches to get the best available kids that fit their progam. We can't get them all. I would rather have a firm commitment from a lesser known athlete than one from a 5 star that waffles every other day.
You can do that, you know.
How will me going back to that stop a 180 comment thread half full of assholes whining because a kid may not play for their favorite team? Please elaborate.
It'll be ok. Go Blue.
I want to see him wear all OSU gear only to go all WWE and tear off his OSU gear to reveal Michigan gear, then crack Meyer in the back of the dome with a chair and run and celebrate with the team when Michigan wins. All as the broadcasters yell "Nooooo!" in an incredulous manner.
Chicago Sun-Times named him Chicago-Area Player of the Year
Edit: Meant as a reply to poster about Laquon Treadwell....
He's playing in the d1 state championship game this Saturday he plays for Cass Tech.