Just like Dawson, the ship isn't completely submerged. He's visiting December 14th, same day as Dawson.
Conley to visit Dec. 14
That will be a pretty huge visit day. If we don't get a hello post (or at least Hello (again)) I'd be very surprised. At the least, we should have our fifth OL after that weekend.
Good to hear, I'm still hoping Conley stays in this class.
Hope we get both of these guys back in the class. Eager for some buckle up posts, Mr Green to GO BLUE!!
Don't know the specifics of the Mattison and Conley meeting, but whatever it was, I am sure Conley's view of M football was enhanced. Who wouldn't want to play for Mattison.
also known as "the easy joke"
It's actually a playcall. Tackle-Inside-Tackle-Stunt. or T.I.T.S.
As opposed to the more popular tackle-end stunts
If I had a choice between Tackle-Inside-Tackle-Stunt or Tackle-End-Stunt-Tackle-End-Stunt, I know what I'm picking.
the Alternating Safety Stunt myself.
That's Mattison's Push-Up-Middle-Pressure Inside-Technique. Sometimes they just call it the sweet release.
That, or he thinks the refs made a bad call.
That's the Feed the Geese play. Looks like this one is supposed to go to the right.
We need the other Mattison GIF where it looks like he firing a rifle to complete the pair. I tried to find it once recently, but failed. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help and post here.
In the replay of the ohio game I noticed him signalling, I think, with two fingers to the roof of his mouth, like a gag or a denture adjustment. What might that mean?
I read from a coaching clinic that that signals the Strong-Half-Empty Swing-Pressure-Interior-Tackle-Stack
One thing that I have gathered from all this is that I do not understand recruiting.
I completely agree
I bet that visit never happens.
I know this has been kicked around the board quite a bit lately, but I'm confused as to the adoption of the "Texas" rule. For several years, Mack Brown has been rigid about his no-visits rule. If a recruit commits and then takes a visit, he's out, period. Hoke seems to be going with a modified Texas rule, to the point where I don't see how it's a rule at all. Rather, it seems a kid can commit to Michigan, take a visit and merely spend time in a dog house (Dawson) or suffer no consequences at all (Conley).
At this point, I would have to say I'm not for or against a "rule", but if he's going to have one, Hoke should stick to it, or not have one at all.
WRT Dawson and Conley, they both seem like good kids. Why handcuff or cause angst or bad feelings with a good kid?
A basic explanation of what I think the policy is:
A kid commits to Michigan. (Hooray!) Said kid wants to take other visits for whatever reason. He has options, but first:
1. If you visit you will no longer be considered committed. As in the coaches won't keep a spot for you. If someone else committs, you're SOL
Then I think it depends on HOW the kid goes about his other visits.
2a. Talk to the coaches. Explain that you might want to see what other schools have to offer. The coaches will explain #1. If you still want to take visits and understand that you won't have a spot. Go visit. - This is what Conley did. While he decommitted, the coaches probably told him "we aren't saving you a spot, but we'd still like you on the team. Take your visits and get back to us. If we have room, you're welcome to recommitt".
2b. Don't talk to the coaches (Pharoah Brown). Burn your bridge and they're done recruiting you. Sorry champ.
Dawson seems like he fell somewhere between a and b, but he's obviously been communicative enough with the coaches that they are continuing to recruit him.
I think you're over complicating it (it's really not complicated, not sure why so many people are confused).
I think Brian nailed it in the latest UV. You're either
"COMMITTED: Keep out of trouble and keep your grades up and you will be in the class. We will stand by you if you have a bad year or get injured. You do not take visits to other schools. If you do, they automatically move you into the other category.
UNCOMMITTED: If you have an offer they'll continue to recruit you but they can revoke that offer at any time until they move you into the other category by mutual agreement. If your leg explodes tough cookies."
Once you get back into UNCOMMITTED, getting your offer pulled is just something that can happen as part of being in that category, same as anyone who hasn't ever committed. Whether it's your spot getting taken or because the coaches don't like you anymore because you tried to pull a fast one doesn't matter. Also, just like anyone who hasn't ever committed, if you get your offer pulled, it doesn't mean you can't get it back if another spot opens up or you mend fences with the coaches.
This sounds about right. My impression is that the coaches don't necessarily pull your offer if you want to visit, you are just decommitted and they will pursue others for your spot and you are in danger of losing out.
I don't think a coach ever publically said what the exact rule is. Second, I've been under the impression that the "rule" isn't you visit somewhere else and you're gone, but rather, visit elsewhere and the coaches reserve the right to keep recruiting others at your spot.
What is so hard to understand? For every player that gets a scholarship, there were another 100 who wanted that spot, knocking on the door. And that its hard to fully evaluate players who are 17 years old, they'll likely have a short list at each position, with their preferable order. So, if a player is visiting other schools, we'll visit the others on the list, as there isn't much of a discernable difference. Now, when you have an uber-elite recruit, they are obviously given a little more leeway, as they should. Hoke plays this exactly how it should be.
This is why Urbs, and everyone else Mattison has worked with say he is one of the best recruiters around.
Is Dee Hart visiting December 14th. Recruiting, never a dull moment
yes, as well as yuri wright and stefon diggs. where have you been?
Is there a significance to December 14th? Why are all the commits/recruits visiting on that day in particular?
They wanted to take their officials together and I guess they all decided on that day.
Shane will be in town and they are all going to see The Hobbit together.
Well, it's a weekend (well, a Friday) after their seasons are over and before the holidays start. There are only so many weekends between now and signing day that don't interfere with Christmas and New Years. Plus, time is of the essence for some of these spots.
It's exactly 1 week before the Mayan doomsday prophecy..so they want to get in before shit hits the fan.
And it's a dead period through the 3rd.
This is why you can't get too bent out of shape when dealing with recruits.
Am I the only one that wants this kid to pick a damn school and just commit already? Yes, he's between Ohio Steate, Michigan and others but please Conley for the sake of a fanbase just do it. MgoBlog and Elevenwarriors has been flooded with forum topics about this player commiting, decommiting and now visiting Michigan...
I'll step off my soap box now.
Yeah - how dare he not take our feelings into account. Conley - this decision is not so much about your future, but about what we adults talk about on blogs, so hurry this shit up, please.
quit actin' like a high school kid Fergodsakes!
17 year old would just get tired of listening to 2 major coaching staffs praising him and thousands of fans clamoring for your choice. Just call Brady or Urb to tell them "I'm tired of your attention." /s
Big Ten Network should start a reality series for these turf battles ...
very similar to a year ago with Brionte Dunn. But this one is going to end up with the good guys
Rivals has him listed as a CB in the recruiting class. I'm assuming that he'll play that position wherever he ends up. Is there a deficiency for Michigan at this position with anyone graduating or does UM plan on using him at a different position? This is assuming he picks UM...
There seems to be some chance that he'd play WR at Michigan. Michigan needs help at that position more than they do at CB, IMO, though I'd be happy to have Conley play either as long as he's a Wolverine.
For him, than us.
His time line..not ours.
If Tread, Green and McQuay have spots reserved and only 1 OL will get a spot, it appears the staff will create a waiting list for the "next open slot" on Dec 14. Pent-up demand for 5* misses.
It certainly reinforces early commitment for next year unless you're a 5*.
At this point, Michigan is really just looking for the best football player, period. There aren't any glaring NEEDS right now from a numbers standpoint.
Hard to see Dawson not re-commiting before his visit. Sounds like he has a little regret and can't see him missing his "second chance".
I agree. I can't imagine he'd go through all of this if Michigan was just one of his top options. And I don't think he'd get re-offered if the coaches thought he like a couple other places just as much.
Except that he is a special case, in view of his father's death. Was his offer actually pulled after he decided to take all of his officials? I don't remember hearing that. Since he feels the need to apologize, we can assume he handled it badly in some way, but it's hard to imagine the coaches giving him a hard time about whatever it was, given his personal story.
I think they just decided to give him some space, a strategy that seems to be working.
Dawson is good enough that you have to wonder what they'll do if another OL commits. I don't think it's a given that they'll pull his offer. In my mind, at least, he warrants ☆☆☆☆☆ treatment.
Thomas Wilcher said that Dawson's offer was pulled.
Dawson has mended bridges with the M coaches, but he also has other official visits scheduled, including Alabama and MSU in January.
This was in response to an iPhone troll. My apologies. I am a donkey.
Question about the official visits: have these two not taken official visits yet? I'm assuming this means they have visited, but did not get the official scheduled tour, meetings, etc.. that other recruits get. If this is the case, why not require a recruit to take an official visit before "officially" committing? That way, at least the team has done its due diligence.
Because you can't take an official until fall of your senior year, and we have a lot of guys committed before then. It's not fair for a kid from Colorado who can't schedule a flight to AA until his season is over, or something like that. That policy would really hurt us with non-Midwest kids.
Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
Interesting to see if Conley even makes his visit after he goes to Ohio for an official the week before. Gotta think Urb is going to put the full court press on. Conley.
i am new here to mgoblog but i have been blue all my life but this is just crazy what is going on kids commiting then leaving and now thinking of coming back all with in a month i understand that kids leave but you would think they would have a plan in place after they left or what is the sense of leaving in the first place i guess i'm old school you give your word then you stand by it
I'm old school too - I like reading with punctuation. I know you're new, this is my first tip - find the period key.
Allow me to translate:
i am new here to mgoblog but i have been blue all my life but this is just crazy STOP what is going on kids commiting then leaving and now thinking of coming back all with in a month STOP i understand that kids leave but you would think they would have a plan in place after they left or what is the sense of leaving in the first place STOP i guess i'm old school you give your word then you stand by it STOP
Well done, Jamaine.
Ok, I'll take a crack at it.
"I am new here to mgoblog PAUSE but I have been blue all my life STOP However this is just crazy PAUSE what is going on with kids committing PAUSE then leaving PAUSE and now thinking of coming back PAUSE all within a month STOP I understand that kids leave PAUSE but you would think they would have a plan in place after they left PAUSE or what would be the sense of leaving in the first place STOP I guess I'm old school PAUSE you give your word then you stand by it STOP"
of all the leaving and then thinking of coming back all within a month. They looked confused, but I don't care, I'm old school. One or two certainly represent the entire generation.
"Old School" is one of those terms that has a positive connotation, but people think that any aged way of thinking can be made positive if you call it "old school" and that's just not the case.
I just beat my wife, but that's fine because I'm old school. I just wouldn't let a black guy eat at my restaurant. No big deal though, I'm old school like that.
it's the e.e. cummings school of sports blogging
Seriously, you worry about and listen to MSU fans?
It's the Natty Light talking...
But I am not new to recruiting and I think this is completely normal for any recruiting cycle. Yes, it sucks to have our players decommit but compared to other universities, who allow visits, our recruitment at Michigan has much less drama than other places like USC or most SEC schools. At schools who allow visits, their commits go on every official visit and give another school a shot at flipping them. My friends at UGA sit on the edge of their seats literally EVERY week not knowing whether a kid got "blown away" by a visit they took. So I say relax because we are Michigan "For God's sake".