Mgoboars is a battlefield
at least it's not just us?
Mgoboars is a battlefield
I sing that by myself all the friggin time!! How did you know?
Go ahead and take Tim, call me when you get tickets to a good concert.
Reading that analogy made me want to hit you with my best shot.
Losing former Massillon DB Justin Turner is really going to hurt...
/ps NEVER FORGET
If you think Hoke's policy is bad, or unfair, or hurts our recruiting process, I don't think you have a good grasp of the game theory that enters into this process. Hoke is playing it exactly right from what I can tell
Hoke is playing it exactly right from Michigan's standpoint. He's securing high level recruits and not having to work quite as hard to keep them.
I just think that its pretty unfair from the recruits' standpoint, but then that's college football as a whole.
Just curious how this is unfair from the recruits standpoint. They don't have to commit. They can take all 5 official visits before committing if that's what they choose to do. It sounds to me like you think recruits should be able to commit, take visits, and possibly decommit at will. I know they are kids but teaching kids to honor their word should not be taken lightly. Football or not.
Hoke is authentic and honest about his policy.
It is Michigan.
If you want to commit then that's the expectation.
He doesn't make up the policies as they go along.
I actually think it's both correct from a game theory / benefits Michigan standpoint AND a fairness standpoint. From what we understand, all the recruits understand this policy at the outset, i.e. there is no confusion or misleading information given to them. From what we understand, Hoke will not change his mind on the commits and pull offers last minute just because he thinks he thinks he can land a better commit, i.e. if the recruit is committed to Michigan, Michigan is committed to the recruit.
The only unfair thing I can see in the whole process is that the timeframe has become compressed and these kids feel massive pressure to commit before they're ready, leading to conundrums like this. But that's not Hoke / Michigan's fault, that's just the environment we're operating in. If anything it has more to do with twitter, fans like us, and sites like Rivals and Scout that are to blame for making the process what it is. We have no evidence that Hoke puts undue pressure on kids or uses scare tactics, or whatever you want to call it. The only evidence we have is that he's extremely open and creates a warm family atmosphere. Seems fair to me.
Everything about it, on both sides of it (high scool players & college staffs) is just over the top. As a fan, I wish I could just ignore all the recruiting hoopla and see what the coaches end up with when practice / game reports come in.
Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. Its the information age, there's only 12-13 games a year, and a WHOLE lot of time in-between those games to obsess over the tiniest details..
I'm guessing that a lot of people using the marriage analogy aren't actually married. For those who are married, did you date or let your fiancée date while engaged (not cheating, actually dating with your fiancée's blessing)? I would guess that this is not an overly successful strategy. Just wondering.
I don't know why this is even an issue here. Hoke has the easiest and most straightforward policy I've ever heard regarding early commts and I'm sure they all know it before they give a verbal. If Conley takes visits we no longer will hold a spot for him and will begin actively recruiting for a replacement because he is no longer considered committed. How hard is that to understand how in God's name is that "unfair" on any level to a recruit?
The engagment analogy is the best one though. When you propose (offer) you are signalling your interest in a future committment in marrage (signing LOC). If your fiance accepts your ring but then several months later says "I'm really not sure anymore....I think I want to date a few more guys to make SURE I made the right decision accepting your proposal" would anyone here think the upcoming marrage was a certain event anymore? And would your now dating others fiance say it was "unfair" if you started dating (recruiting) someone new as well?
There are committments made, verbal ones, that signify interest and intent for a much bigger and more permanent ones.
The net effect in the fiancé example is that the spurned partner can go out and find someone new...
If he was100percent solid he wouldn't want to risk losing his spot.
Two in the hand is better than a bear shitting in the woods. Or something like that.
No, no, no. You got it wrong.
"A bird in hand isn't worth two bear shits in the woods. But teach a man to fish, shame on you."
Two hands in the bush, is better than one hand on your wood. Or something like that. I wasn't really paying attention when the old wise man was talking, I was staring at a Kate Upton gif.
Visiting Oregon. I hope it is his decision and not Kelly's. Oregon has the same policy as Hoke. You commit, do not visit elsewhere.
Are you saying Kelly is forcing him to visit?
No. He is saying Kelly will flat out tell him that if he wants to be a Duck he cannot go up to AA, etc. If Conley is wow'd and feels pressure to commit due to numbers it would be a case of a solid to Oregon in the same manner as us. Right now he is officially not a UM commit. Few kids come back and if wow'd, us heavily looking to replace him and get him back may offend him? Who knows? We'll see. IMHO, he goes to Oregon and he is a duck. They always pull a midwest kid or two a year that are lovestruck by the Nike barrage of jerseys and facilities.
No, not at all. I am saying that Kelly is pursuing him and made the call to talk to him and not conley or his parents call, then Kelly is a hypocrite. Kelly has the same policy as Hoke. If you commit to Oregon, do not visit elsewhere or your schollie is pulled. If kelly made overtures, then Kelly is a hypocrite. If you are committed elsewhere, Hoke does not make overtures. Same policy otherwise.
Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
And it's consistent for Kelly and Hoke. If you come or a visit, you weren't really committed to the other guy in the first place. And that's their problem. If they want to try and honor it, or look elsewhere, that's on them.
He will get to Cincy and see how bad the area around the campus is and want to go home. Unless he is majoring in crime.
That wasn't even funny
Pardon my ignorance if somebody already answered.
Plan B is to cancel the 2013 season.
The coaches will still likely try to reel in McQuay.
but I would trade Conley for McQuay.
Outside of Conley, there are still a few uncommitted cornerback prospects with Michigan offers:
Cole Luke, Priest Willis, Cameron Walker, and John Ross
but now that kids are giving their verbals so much earlier than even 10 years ago, it's inevitable that there will be some decommits, and not just for Michigan. It's unreasonable to think that there won't be any 18-year-old seniors who have second thoughts about verbal commitments they made when they were 17-year old juniors. I would assume that Hoke & Co. understand this, and make plans for it.
Conley isn't expressing an interest in just any western school; it's not Washington State or UCLA or Cal—it's the hot, sexy program out in Eugene that's #2 in the country and a pick by plenty of people to play in the NC game. Even if Conley really is "solid for Michigan," it would be an unusual 18-year-old to not be intrigued by interest from one of the hottest programs in the country right now.
There was no way that this class wasn't going to have at least one decommitment. It happens, all the time, relax. If he doesn't end up Blue someone else equally capable will.
Said this even when we were rolling. It ALWAYS happens. Your class in July will be missing a kid or 3 by NSD. Just a fact as teams jockey and players continue to get pursued and become curious and such. Plus, it is always scary to recruit so well before a season starts as a bad year can have many jump ship while you had them assumed as locked up with no options to replace. Also, when not running the offense you're recruiting for because of ONE player.....it can bite you. He could still come to UM but once he gets out to Oregon, it is over, IMHO. As a DB, I think Quay is our only equal option and as a WR it's LT. Could be a big loss.
Also, feel pretty solid about our DB prospects right now. If we can lose someone anywhere it's probably there. I don't feel quite the same about some other positions, RB for example
Go I guess people now understand why treadwell hasn't committed yet..
I don't blame him at all. He has lots of good options, teams will wait for him, and frankly, he probably has better options than Michigan if he's just looking for opportunities to get the ball. If I were a big-time receiver, I'd be looking at WVU, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, etc.
Again - people need to not follow 17-year-olds this closely, because they, I don't know, change their minds all the time. If Conley comes to UM, then that is awesome. If not, wish the kid the best but won't think about it again. Luckily, there is actual football to care about in the interim.
These are 17- and 18-year old kids. There have been a lot of analogies thrown around this thread, but there is a very practical problem for the coaches: if kids are looking around, then the coaches need to look around too lest there be a signing-day surprise.
I don't blame any kid that wants to look around but the coaches need to recruit a class and reserved spots are only for those people done looking around.
Maybe Conley will end up in Kansas.
Gareon my wayward son,
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more
So much win.
That's odd... I could have sworn that there were plenty of critical comments here about Al Borges and his playcalling after the Notre Dame game. And more than a few after the Alabama game too.
But aside from that, nobody is preventing you from posting your opinions and observations about anything here. You say you don't "give two shits" about people questioning you, but you also complain about getting "voted down." Those seem a bit contradictory to me.
I think part of the problem is the idiotic comment moderation scheme in place here. It's routine for entirely innocuous or reasonable comments to be labeled "trolling" or "flamebait," and "overrated" and "underrated" make no sense whatsoever. It would be far better to go back to the old simple upvoting and downvoting scheme, with some regulations in place that restrain and penalize those who gratuitously and habitually neg comments. I agree that far too many here downvote simply and only because they disagree with an opinion.
I know it's a 17 year old kid and It's his life. I get and understand all that. I'm just saying Michigan was there before anybody else even knew about him. At least call the coaches and let them know what's going on. This is eerily similar to P. Brown last year. According to Bill Greene, his parents want him to travel and his coach is against it. If Oregon's whole coaching staff is coming Monday, an offer is imminent. This is not going to end well.
Big corners with fluid hips are hard to come by, people are saying not to worry but I for one will be very disappointed if he go blue.