Conley Taking Visits
Per Bill Greene.
Gareon Conley will visit Cincinnati tomorrow. Says he's solid to Michigan but parents want him to take a few Trips Oregon coming in Monday
Sounds like he was having a hell of a night too.
Massillon moving at will on Fitch early. Up 7-0 early. Billy Price being doubled. Gareom Conley needs doubled. Not able to check him
Gareom Conley scores again. Massillon up 21-7. Could be 35-7. Fitch D getting ripped. Conley is a stud Michigan fans.
And Gareon Conley just caught another TD bomb. Not a typo. Massillon pimp handing Fitch. 28-7. And they've left points out there.
Now we have to sit back and see what happens with that commitment. Disappointing because I think Conley is a real player.
October 5th, 2012 at 11:52 PM ^
October 5th, 2012 at 11:53 PM ^
Pissed if this visit stuff goes through ..
October 6th, 2012 at 10:09 AM ^
Actually, I would too if I was Dawson. If my memory serves me right, pretty sure he got a "little" backlash when he contemplated taking a "visit."
October 6th, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^
Dawson's Twitter post makes me think it's more of a message to the coaches than to the fans. In other words, "The coaches better not let this happen if they didn't let me go on a visit." And I don't think he has anything to worry about.
October 6th, 2012 at 12:00 AM ^
Well, I was waiting for the board to get wind of this. I have a colleague that coaches at Massillon, and for what it's worth, he told me that something like this was going to happen when I spoke with him this morning. Also, he said that Oregon was sending the entire staff to see Conley next week, and that Conley had said that Oregon was the school he would jump at if they offered. (I told my friend that duh, they're going to offer if they are indeed sending the entire staff).
That is the end of my insight. Didn't know anything about this Cinci thing. Again, take it for what it's worth.
October 6th, 2012 at 12:08 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 12:37 AM ^
You're right. I always take the position that if a kid doesn't want to be at UM 100%, then good luck elsewhere. It is his life, and as you've stated earlier, his decision. And we need to remember that Shawn Crable is on Conley's coaching staff there, so the kid's got a UM grad to talk to about these things. By all accounts, Conley's a stud, but this is an extremely important decision for someone still in high school, so if he feels like UM isn't really the best fit for him, then it isn't the best fit. This point seems especially true considering all the defections from the program in the last few years. Usually, the best decision for the kid is the best decision for the university.
October 6th, 2012 at 12:15 AM ^
I was wondering how we had 2 spots left and the coaches were so agressively recruiting 3 top prospects. Looks like theres room for Treadwell, Green, and McQuay now.
October 6th, 2012 at 12:15 AM ^
I like the stance of these coaches. My thoughts exactly when someone above said that it needs to be a 2 way street. If a player is looking around then he certainly isn't committed to us, as a result we don't need to be commiitted to him.
October 6th, 2012 at 8:58 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 12:32 AM ^
Can't blame him for doing his due diligence on one of the biggest decisions of his life, but he shouldn't be offended when Hoke starts bringing in other DBs in the mean time
October 6th, 2012 at 12:45 AM ^
if you ask someone to save you a spot at lunch, and then you don't do the same when they ask you to. Not to blow it out of proportion, but it doesn't say good things about a friendship when one friend works harder than the other one to make it work. Conley is totally free to look at other places, but we are also totally free to look at other recruits. I hear he's talented, and I want him to stick around, but if he doesn't, we don't want to leave ourselves in the lurch and either be a spot short, or just take someone to take them.
ED: The girlfriend analogy is better: if your girlfriend might be interested in other guys, it means you can look at other girls, too.
October 6th, 2012 at 12:49 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 2:15 AM ^
Pat Benatar? Really?
October 6th, 2012 at 9:40 AM ^
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October 6th, 2012 at 10:25 AM ^
That was awful, Clarkie.
October 6th, 2012 at 11:09 AM ^
yes it was, quite possibly.
October 6th, 2012 at 12:28 PM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 1:21 AM ^
/s
/ps NEVER FORGET
October 6th, 2012 at 1:26 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 1:42 AM ^
Hoke is playing it exactly right from Michigan's standpoint. He's securing high level recruits and not having to work quite as hard to keep them.
I just think that its pretty unfair from the recruits' standpoint, but then that's college football as a whole.
October 6th, 2012 at 3:53 AM ^
Just curious how this is unfair from the recruits standpoint. They don't have to commit. They can take all 5 official visits before committing if that's what they choose to do. It sounds to me like you think recruits should be able to commit, take visits, and possibly decommit at will. I know they are kids but teaching kids to honor their word should not be taken lightly. Football or not.
October 6th, 2012 at 8:53 AM ^
It is Michigan.
If you want to commit then that's the expectation.
He doesn't make up the policies as they go along.
October 6th, 2012 at 11:25 AM ^
I actually think it's both correct from a game theory / benefits Michigan standpoint AND a fairness standpoint. From what we understand, all the recruits understand this policy at the outset, i.e. there is no confusion or misleading information given to them. From what we understand, Hoke will not change his mind on the commits and pull offers last minute just because he thinks he thinks he can land a better commit, i.e. if the recruit is committed to Michigan, Michigan is committed to the recruit.
The only unfair thing I can see in the whole process is that the timeframe has become compressed and these kids feel massive pressure to commit before they're ready, leading to conundrums like this. But that's not Hoke / Michigan's fault, that's just the environment we're operating in. If anything it has more to do with twitter, fans like us, and sites like Rivals and Scout that are to blame for making the process what it is. We have no evidence that Hoke puts undue pressure on kids or uses scare tactics, or whatever you want to call it. The only evidence we have is that he's extremely open and creates a warm family atmosphere. Seems fair to me.
October 6th, 2012 at 2:39 AM ^
Everything about it, on both sides of it (high scool players & college staffs) is just over the top. As a fan, I wish I could just ignore all the recruiting hoopla and see what the coaches end up with when practice / game reports come in.
October 6th, 2012 at 11:37 AM ^
Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. Its the information age, there's only 12-13 games a year, and a WHOLE lot of time in-between those games to obsess over the tiniest details..
October 6th, 2012 at 6:19 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 6:53 AM ^
I don't know why this is even an issue here. Hoke has the easiest and most straightforward policy I've ever heard regarding early commts and I'm sure they all know it before they give a verbal. If Conley takes visits we no longer will hold a spot for him and will begin actively recruiting for a replacement because he is no longer considered committed. How hard is that to understand how in God's name is that "unfair" on any level to a recruit?
The engagment analogy is the best one though. When you propose (offer) you are signalling your interest in a future committment in marrage (signing LOC). If your fiance accepts your ring but then several months later says "I'm really not sure anymore....I think I want to date a few more guys to make SURE I made the right decision accepting your proposal" would anyone here think the upcoming marrage was a certain event anymore? And would your now dating others fiance say it was "unfair" if you started dating (recruiting) someone new as well?
There are committments made, verbal ones, that signify interest and intent for a much bigger and more permanent ones.
October 6th, 2012 at 8:50 AM ^
If he was100percent solid he wouldn't want to risk losing his spot.
October 6th, 2012 at 7:23 AM ^
#amiright??
October 6th, 2012 at 10:01 AM ^
No, no, no. You got it wrong.
"A bird in hand isn't worth two bear shits in the woods. But teach a man to fish, shame on you."
October 6th, 2012 at 11:11 AM ^
Two hands in the bush, is better than one hand on your wood. Or something like that. I wasn't really paying attention when the old wise man was talking, I was staring at a Kate Upton gif.
October 6th, 2012 at 7:57 AM ^
Visiting Oregon. I hope it is his decision and not Kelly's. Oregon has the same policy as Hoke. You commit, do not visit elsewhere.
October 6th, 2012 at 11:04 AM ^
Are you saying Kelly is forcing him to visit?
October 6th, 2012 at 11:24 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^
No, not at all. I am saying that Kelly is pursuing him and made the call to talk to him and not conley or his parents call, then Kelly is a hypocrite. Kelly has the same policy as Hoke. If you commit to Oregon, do not visit elsewhere or your schollie is pulled. If kelly made overtures, then Kelly is a hypocrite. If you are committed elsewhere, Hoke does not make overtures. Same policy otherwise.
Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
October 6th, 2012 at 1:09 PM ^
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October 6th, 2012 at 9:15 AM ^
Pardon my ignorance if somebody already answered.
October 6th, 2012 at 9:27 AM ^
Plan B is to cancel the 2013 season.
The coaches will still likely try to reel in McQuay.
October 6th, 2012 at 10:59 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 11:29 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 9:23 AM ^
October 6th, 2012 at 9:29 AM ^
Outside of Conley, there are still a few uncommitted cornerback prospects with Michigan offers:
Cole Luke, Priest Willis, Cameron Walker, and John Ross
October 6th, 2012 at 9:43 AM ^
but now that kids are giving their verbals so much earlier than even 10 years ago, it's inevitable that there will be some decommits, and not just for Michigan. It's unreasonable to think that there won't be any 18-year-old seniors who have second thoughts about verbal commitments they made when they were 17-year old juniors. I would assume that Hoke & Co. understand this, and make plans for it.
Conley isn't expressing an interest in just any western school; it's not Washington State or UCLA or Cal—it's the hot, sexy program out in Eugene that's #2 in the country and a pick by plenty of people to play in the NC game. Even if Conley really is "solid for Michigan," it would be an unusual 18-year-old to not be intrigued by interest from one of the hottest programs in the country right now.