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October 5th, 2012 at 11:06 PM
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Conley Taking Visits

Per Bill Greene.

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Gareon Conley will visit Cincinnati tomorrow. Says he's solid to Michigan but parents want him to take a few Trips Oregon coming in Monday

 

Sounds like he was having a hell of a night too.

Massillon moving at will on Fitch early. Up 7-0 early. Billy Price being doubled. Gareom Conley needs doubled. Not able to check him

 

Gareom Conley scores again. Massillon up 21-7. Could be 35-7. Fitch D getting ripped. Conley is a stud Michigan fans.

 

And Gareon Conley just caught another TD bomb. Not a typo. Massillon pimp handing Fitch. 28-7. And they've left points out there.

 

Now we have to sit back and see what happens with that commitment. Disappointing because I think Conley is a real player.

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October 5th, 2012 at 11:11 PM | well, bye bye Conley (Score:-1 Normal)
October 5th, 2012 at 11:14 PM | Had (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 5th, 2012 at 11:49 PM | What is wrong with you, and (Score:3 Normal)
TheGhostofYost
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What is wrong with you, and how does this comment have even one upvote?  Jesus Christ.  

October 6th, 2012 at 9:24 AM | Gotta love MGoBoarders, where (Score:5 Normal)
Callahan
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Gotta love MGoBoard, where the best recruit is always the one we don't have. 

October 5th, 2012 at 11:15 PM | Cincinati!!! (Score:5 Normal)
jaggs
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My god this is Michigan fergodsakes! 

October 5th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | Dennis Norfleet agrees with (Score:5 Normal)
IncognitoWolverino
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Dennis Norfleet agrees with you.

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October 6th, 2012 at 8:24 AM | Caleb Stacey does not. (Score:1 Normal)
Maize.Blue Wagner
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Caleb Stacey does not. (Granted, I realize there must have been more going on there than was originally apparent since IIRC he's out of football now.)

October 6th, 2012 at 2:29 PM | last I heard he (Score:2)
jaggs
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plans on transferring and playing somewhere else.

October 5th, 2012 at 11:15 PM | I still (Score:1 Normal)
MichiganMan20
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I still think he will end up at Michigan but if he is serious about taking visits then the coaching staff should make a serious push towards mcquay.

I hate ohio. Thats all you need to know.

October 5th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | Doubt it.  Of all the (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 11:08 AM | Maybe they can all bond over (Score:0 Redundant)
October 5th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | And you base this opinion on (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 12:05 AM | Pretty sure Hoke makes it (Score:1 Normal)
ChuckWood
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Pretty sure Hoke makes it clear.  Visit before you commit and know you want to be at Michigan.  Onward and upward.  But oh man would i hate Oregon if they take another one.  They are snakey when it comes to recruiting.  Get in on guys late.  Brown, Fisher, and now going after Conley.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

October 5th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | When we offered Conley his (Score:3 Normal)
Denarded
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When we offered Conley his only offers were NW and Marshall if I'm not mistaken? Gotta think high caliber teams realizing how good of a player he really is, is starting to turn his attention to see other teams. Hopefully we can keep him, but if the Hoke policy goes into effect, then the full court press begins on McQuay.

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October 5th, 2012 at 11:24 PM | It's not old-fashioned.  They (Score:5 Normal)
ChuckWood
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It's not old-fashioned.  They tell kids NOT to commit unless they are certain.  It's actually a really respectable approach.  They're not like a bunch of programs that pressure guys until they make an emotional decision and commit.  I love it.  Plus, it's worked so far.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

October 5th, 2012 at 11:58 PM | What is the point of looking (Score:5 Normal)
ChuckWood
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What is the point of looking around?  To find something better?  Exactly!  Looking around means he is not committed to Michigan.  Also meaning that Michigan should not be committed to him.  The staff makes sure the prospects know the drill before they commit.  

Commit after commit has stated that they appreciate the approach taken by Michigan coaches.  Not appying pressure but making sure the kid is ready.  Would you rather sit in a room with coach Saban giving a sales pitch making promises he can't keep, or sit in a room with Hoke telling you to be sure before you make a commitment?   Being to Michigan or another school.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

October 6th, 2012 at 12:22 AM | You know who says that? Guys (Score:1 Normal)
Tacopants
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You know who says that? Guys who committed to Michigan. We don't tend to get lots of feedback on Michigan's recruiting from guys who didn't commit to Michigan.

You know who probably doesn't appreciate Hoke's method of recruiting? The top 50ish guy who actually wants to take his time, has options, take all 5 official visits, and make the most informed decision. That's assuming the rules of "You can commit whenever but there may not be a spot" even apply to that player. I'm sure there's a legion of 3* dudes out there who would love to come play WR.

October 6th, 2012 at 12:28 AM | I know but that's life. If I (Score:5 Normal)
WolvinLA2
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I know but that's life. If I get offered a very good job, I don't get forever to decide if I want it or not. If I'm still waiting on jobs I might like better, I might miss out on that job. If I meet a girl who really likes me, and I don't commit to being her boyfriend because there are other girls I'd like to check out, I might miss out on that girl.

This is how life works with most "positions" that are sought after and limited in number. If you get your window of opportunity to take it, it usually doesn't last forever.

October 6th, 2012 at 10:31 AM | Insecure or not, these (Score:5 Normal)
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Insecure or not, these decisions, decommits, etc. impact the lives of 10 coaches, 100 football players, and numerous other staff members, let alone fans.  Coaches have to do what's best for their program.  If Hoke believes this is best for Michigan, then that's the way he needs to do it.

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October 6th, 2012 at 11:04 AM | It's not like Michigan is the (Score:4 Normal)
UMICH1606
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It's not like Michigan is the only one with this policy. Oregon, the same school who is trying to swoop in, also have a no visit policy if you commit. I don't blame schools for recruiting to the bell either. It's not like Hoke didn't go all out to sway Dunn last year.

October 6th, 2012 at 11:10 AM | True (Score:-1 Normal)
October 6th, 2012 at 12:06 AM | It's not like Hoke is pulling (Score:5 Normal)
julesh
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It's not like Hoke is pulling the offer if he says he considers Conley or anyone else not committed. It just means that the staff is able to fill that spot, if necessary, with someone else who less likely to possibly leave Michigan in the lurch. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Call him uncommitted and go back to courting him like someone you are trying to get to commit. I don't see how that poisons the well. 

October 6th, 2012 at 12:11 AM | You're being willfully blind (Score:-1 Overrated)
October 6th, 2012 at 9:09 AM | so why didnt he just wait? We (Score:0)
October 6th, 2012 at 9:38 AM | It definitely puts more (Score:4 Normal)
Callahan
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It definitely puts more pressure on recruits ... if they actually want to go to Michigan. What it stops is the M Decommit All-Stars (Pearlie Graves, Dequinta Jones, Kevin Newsome, Anthony Fera, Shavodrick Beaver ... I'm sure there are more that I've forgotten) who "committed" so that they had a BCS slot, then looked around until the found someplace they really wanted. Michigan was their safety school. Do you really want Michigan to be the safety school for, IDK, Texas Tech, Tulsa, and Arkansas?

October 5th, 2012 at 11:26 PM | Every other kid in the class (Score:5 Normal)
Mlaw2010
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Every other kid in the class has been able to deal with it. I like the policy. So many of these kids would have visited other schools and just based on averages a couple would have left. This policy has greatly limited my concern when it comes to decommits.

October 5th, 2012 at 11:48 PM | No one is saying fuck off (Score:5 Normal)
WolvinLA2
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No one is saying fuck off Conley, people are just saying that he should either stay committed and not take visits, or decommit and do whatever he wants. What I'm saying is that he can't have his cake and eat it too. That's not mean, it's fair to both sides.

October 6th, 2012 at 12:15 AM | The bye bye to Conley is in (Score:5 Normal)
WolvinLA2
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The bye bye to Conley is in response to his decision, not ours. And mother Hello to McQuay is hoping that we get a good player to replace the good one we may be losing.

I don't think anyone is saying they want Conley to leave. But to be excited for McQuay when Conley is leaving us is no if deal.

Remember, this is Conley's decision, not ours.

October 6th, 2012 at 9:54 AM | exactly! (Score:3 Normal)
jdon
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The kids have a right to do anythign they want to do, and they should... but we don't have to hold a commitment spot for someone who isn't 'commited'.  what is so hard to understand about that?

 

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October 6th, 2012 at 3:22 AM | "force these kids into a (Score:5 Normal)
BlueGoM
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"force these kids into a position where you don't have to compete with other schools once they are committed.  "

Look up the word committed.

If you are looking around, then you aren't committed.

/thread

 

October 6th, 2012 at 1:41 AM | The policy appears to (Score:5 Normal)
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Be crystal clear, and to apply to everyone equally.

If someone doesn't like the policy, they can go elsewhere. I like it because it is decisive, clear and applies equally. And, I especially like that Hoke doesn't give a shit if people don't like it. The next time *you* are the head coach of Michigan, you get to pick the policy.

*you meaning anyone

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October 5th, 2012 at 11:30 PM | I agree with the last part (Score:3 Normal)
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I agree with the last part completely. They'll have to work harder for Conley. But if he's not committed to us, why should we be committed to him? It has to be a two way street. USC has a kid looking around, and SC is looking to fill his spot. We should be doing the same.

If you're a man, you can't get married until you've decided on a mate. You can't pick a wife, and then go around dating to see who the best one is for you. You do that part first. If you decide you made your commitment too early and you need to look at your options, don't expect your wife to be waiting around for you afterward. She might be, but don't be surprised if she found someone to replace you in the meantime.

October 5th, 2012 at 11:57 PM | Your analogy needs work.  The (Score:-1 Overrated)
October 6th, 2012 at 12:04 AM | No, they are committed to us (Score:5 Normal)
WolvinLA2
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No, they are committed to us before signing day, just not legally so. There is a commitment there. They want us to save their spot, right? So they expect a commitment from Michigan. We should expect a commitment from them.

If they aren't sure Michigan is for them, that's OK. But they can't expect us to save their spot while they figure it out.

October 6th, 2012 at 12:28 AM | Ok, I reread your post, and (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 12:08 AM | So you would let your (Score:4 Normal)
ChuckWood
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So you would let your girlfriend/wife sleep around?  I think not.  Unless you're into that kind of thing.  

It's not insecurity.  It's a recruiting strategy that has kept some pretty damn good recruits.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

October 6th, 2012 at 12:42 AM | Not the same thing (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 12:54 AM | I like most of your points, (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 1:09 AM | Eh, something about how confident companies don't play like that (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 1:21 AM | Almost every school offers (Score:2 Normal)
dayooper63
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Almost every school offers more scholarships than spots on the roster.

Tradition is something you can't bottle.  But it is there to sustain you when you need it most.  I've called upon it time and time again.

October 6th, 2012 at 1:34 AM | That's not the point (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 1:00 AM | And guess which program has (Score:2 Normal)
dayooper63
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And guess which program has told certain kids that they have all the time in the world to decide?  Michigan.  From what it sounds like, Treadwell can take as much time as he wants, the coaches will hols a spot for them.  They did that with Pipkins last summer.  They even turned a top 100 kid away (Day) because they told Ondre' that there was a spot for him.  It's certain kids they think are program changers that they hold spots for.  Conley is a nice prospect, but is he a game changer?  I don't know.  I bet you, whether right or wrong, the coaches have an opinion.

Tradition is something you can't bottle.  But it is there to sustain you when you need it most.  I've called upon it time and time again.

October 6th, 2012 at 1:25 AM | So we have a double standard (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 6th, 2012 at 1:56 AM | That's kind of the point. (Score:4 Normal)
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That's kind of the point.  They're saying, don't commit to Michigan unless you are ready to COMMIT TO MICHIGAN.  Everyone hates on Treadwell because he hasn't committed yet, but I respect the fact that he wants to look around FIRST before he makes his commitment.  Conley made a commitment to Michigan and is now having second thoughts, okay I get where he's coming from, but Michigan isn't going to hold his spot for him.

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October 6th, 2012 at 8:42 AM | Who said they didn't visit (Score:3 Normal)
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Who said they didn't visit other places?  The unofficial visits were all the rage last spring.  Most of our early commits had either visited other schools or had been a fan of UM for a long time.  Just because they didn't get a free trip doesn't mean they didn't visit.  Some kids wanted to get the process over quickly.

Tradition is something you can't bottle.  But it is there to sustain you when you need it most.  I've called upon it time and time again.

October 6th, 2012 at 3:05 AM | I've yet to see (Score:2 Normal)
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I've yet to see a company  "we'll hold a spot for you indefinitely."   Do you really think that every company you've ever applied to work for would hold that position indefinitely?   I'll give you a heads up, even if the don't tell you so, waiting long enough will result in your spot being filled. 

October 6th, 2012 at 12:04 PM | Your analogies are horrible. (Score:2)
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It's not at all like your gf going out with the parents. It's going out on a date with another guy, knowing he's going to try and recruit you away....and letting him take her to his place. Yours would be a recruit taking a trip to Disneyland, and running into Lane Kiffin there and listening to what he has to say.

And in the latter, if you go in and say "I agree to take the job", sake hands, but haven't filled out the paperwork with human resources, and then go hear a competing company's sales pitch after the first company has stopped looking to fill the position, they're going to be pissed. Unless you are clearly the top in your field, good luck getting that job.

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October 6th, 2012 at 10:32 AM | That's true.  You're not (Score:5 Normal)
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That's true.  You're not insecure.  You just insult people on the internet.  That's what secure people do.

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October 6th, 2012 at 10:49 AM | Actually you're both (Score:2 Normal)
Maize_Nation
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Actually you're both wrong.

You only take visits if you're interested, so your analogy is just as bad as his.

What it's really like is going on a date with another women while you are in a committed relationship.

That's the perfect analogy, so you guys can end that discussion.

 

October 6th, 2012 at 10:59 AM | Whoa whoa whoa (Score:1 Normal)
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Maybe someone needs a hamburger.

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