One thing's for sure, if you're going to Columbus, avoid anything that was in a cooler.
Conley schedules visit to Ohio State
many of us label our drink and poop coolers separately. Not that we're literate..
^^This. You made a funny.
This comment is far too amiable. Are you RollDamnTide?
No, but this is month 6 in a two year plan which culminates in my revealing myself to be an MSU fan
I urge you to use pictures on your coolers to distinguish one from the other, rather than words.
shame on you for thinking we've figured out pictures
Could your coolers emit a series of pre-linguistic guttural grunts and growls? Like, one grunt for liquid and two grunts for poop or something?
By the way, I like the cut of your jib.
Why thank you, sir. Being in a division with Penn State fans has taught me to treasure the opponent bases that aren't horrible. BECAUSE THEY ARE HORRIBLE.
You, sir, just earned yourself 100 MGoPoints for this exchange (in case you care).
My simple Columbus mind can't comprehend how these things happen, but I appreciate it nonetheless
He's just some other Wolverine poster with another identity.
If he starts giving you recruiting insider information: Beware!
I tailgated at PSU in 2006. At the time, Michigan had won the last seven games in the series, including a couple controversial (in their mind only) last second decisions. We expected to get some grief. However, it is one of my most memorable tailgates and I mean that in a good way. We were in the RV lots and didn't run into any trouble. On the contrary, we made "friends" with quite a few PSU fans, and we had no issues even after beating them for an 8th strait time that evening. I've found that if you act like a guest and aren't unreasonable, people generally reciprocate.... maybe this is where Buckeye fan has some trouble??
End interjection...... please return to self deprication.
No, their fans have thrown urine on our band and other bands, among other incidents. Though, I was mainly referring to their deep and irreversible delusion as a fanbase. See: BSD always.
That being said, I find it humorous that both posters who ruined the joke by calling me self deprecating** failed to spell it correctly.
No way are they a Buckeye.
I tailgated at PSU a few years ago, too, and the fans were very friendly.
Honestly, I would take all of my visits too if I were in his shoes...
Not to the arch-rival of the team you are currently commited to.
He is from Ohio... OSU is all they've got.
I dunno, the Steve Addazio-led powerhouse that is OHIO was undefeated until its bitter rivalry loss to Miami (YTM, at least as far as OHIO is concerned)...
Addazio is leading Temple through its first season in the Big East. Frank Solich is the head man at OHIO.
What I had heard was that he planned on talking to Hoke tonight, and we'd find out whether or not his offer had been pulled.
I negged you. Yes, I'm shooting the messenger.
Can't stop me from posbanging you though
On to the next one.
Let him be...we can't take every native Ohioan from that state. You win some, you lose some. God bless Gareon, you've done nothing wrong.
It says he was supposed to call the coaches tonight and discuss it. Scout has an article where Mr. Conley says he loves Michigan and it sounds like he would like his son to stick with Michigan.
So far I have heard nothing else of him talking to the coaches so nothing has changed yet.
Also of note, if he were to visit OSU, he will also visit Oregon. I actually think that Oregon is in better position than OSU because that is out near his mother (seems that for Oregon and OSU he would be playing on offense, while for us he would be playing on defense).
Does the Scout article explicitly say that he would be recruited as a WR at OSU, or was that something you inferred?
With OSU still in the mix for a handful of 4/5 star WRs, including a juco 4 star, the strategy here seems to be to continue to load up on DBs. It would be surprising to here that his offer was a position-specific one for WR.
No that Scout article doesn't mention WR. Those I have inferred from info collected via 247Sports and ESPN. The article is VIP'd on 247Sports but it says something to the effect of Urban Meyer saying he could play offense and later on stating that Gareon is liking offense a lot.
I am not a sub on Scout so I couldn't read that article but the header and information I have gotten about the article is basically that his dad likes Michigan.
Looks like Urbz told him he could play either
I suspect this is spin. Urban says "you can do whatever you want (but you won't)"
If that's true, this is definitely the case (although I saw something on twitter yesterday that said his father loves Michigan). Some of these kids just commit too early. I guess that's the downside of getting your class together so early - this is bound to happen. I just hope there's a plan b.
That it just makes the rivalry better.
Kyle Kali's Kyle Kali's Kaye Kali's.
Please go after every recruit in that school down south's class like pronto.
Wait, so you want more recruits for the spread? #RichRod
What i hate is that nobody paid any attention to this kid and now all of a sudden ohio jumps in i do hope he takes that into consideration and knows Michigan really loves him like a son. Good luck to him but i do hope he sticks with Michigan.
Expected, to say the least. Lot of buzz here lately about it, unfortunately. Here's to hoping Dawson is the only former 2013 to decommit. If not, I hope and trust the coaching staff in replacing appropriately.
Will be interesting to see if the offer/pursuit is rescinded.
Good luck to him in whatever he decides. I think it's a good sign that he plans on talking to the coaching staff up front about it. I wonder if he wants to make the move to WR a permanent one.
Too much smoke in this situation for there not to be fire. Hopefully he handles the situation well and his offer doesn't get pulled. Best of luck to the kid and hope he ends up back at Michigan.
I think we all knew during commitapalooza that we were going to lose a couple of class members. Hopefully this leads to room for part of the treadwell/Green/McQuay trio, but also allows for a couple more members of the Jake Ryan/Frank Clark/Willie Henry/Dennis Norfleet one hell of a senior year and we have space open for a sleeper memorial scholarship award.
That trio won't happen. It is wishful thinking. Sure, call me Debby Downer. But we need to pick up our end stage recruiting and finish strong! There is no question Michigan is the finest at starting and getting early commits. However, the finishing counts.
Please let me acknowledge the incredible class of 2013 that is already assembled. This class alone is one heck of a recruiting haul! However, I know we can add more great players to that class, and I hope we do so.
With regards to Treadwell, Green, and Mcquay-one of the three would be OUTSTANDING. these three are all top level, blue chip recruits! Any of them would make this program a big bump better. As negative as I am against the trio, I feel as if we can get one or two of those excellent players. In the end, I would welcome any one of the three to Ann Arbor. Go Blue!
refusing to see the truth. Almost every analyst is expecting Conley to decommit and take his visits.
and hasn't talked to the coaches about it yet it is not going to sit well. Is it that hard to pick up the phone, call, and say I want to take visits so I can make sure I've made the right decision so I'll have to decommit for now.
It'll be interesting to see how this finishes as closing has not been this staff's strong suit although that is based on one year.
I am not a fan of the no visit policy. With all of the pressure to commit early and the fact that you can't take officials as a HS Junior does not allow student athletes the opportunity to fully vet their options. These are 17 year old kids, who are making the biggest decision of their lives.
This hard line stance is giving a 5 star OG to our rivals. One who suffered a horrific personal tragedy. Next up to our rivals will most likely be Gareon Conley. Chip Kelly took back Tyner after he realized he made a mistake. I would be in favor of a scenario in which the recruit gives up their scholarship with the understanding that should they change their mind and the scholarship not be filled that it would still be available to them.
On the other hand, I love the no visit policy. I hope Urban Meyer likes it so much he decides not to copy it.
as long as the recruit is upfront about their plans. It's pursuing other schools behind the staff's back that got the 4 star OG in trouble. I'm afraid that this may be the case this time also as it sounds as if Conley has already set the visit and did so without the staff's knowledge.
C'mon, now. You can say David Dawson's name.
"I would be in favor of a scenario in which the recruit gives up their scholarship with the understanding that should they change their mind and the scholarship not be filled that it would still be available to them."
I'm confused. So you do agree with the policy or you don't? From my understanding, that's for the most part how the policy in place works. Recruits just shouldn't expect that if they change their mind and decide to recommit that the offer is still readily available.
Would you rather have the coaching staff have 3 months to find another option or wait on a kid who wavers on an offer all the way until signing day?
"or wait on a kid who wavers on an offer all the way until signing day?"
Waiting on Pryor left Michigan with Sheridan and Threet.
If Threet had been in a stable environment and a pro-style offense, he'd have been ax excellent QB for us. Just sayin'.
When these kids commit, I'm POSITIVE that the staff says something along the lines of "well, great but we need you to understand that a commitment to Michigan is a firm commitment. If you intend on taking visits, or have any doubt it would be best if you took your time."
Bottom line is that both sides know the deal. Nobody forced them to commit in the first place, and 90% of our commits these last two years have had no trouble sticking to their word. This isn't a post trying to belittle the guys who change their mind, but the "pressure to commit early" is a fallacy. It's the biggest decision of their lives and many have no trouble taking their time.
This may be why the Michigan "leans" like Treadwell won't committ. Once they committ, they are locked in. They can't even go be wined and dined.
When I graduated from the B-School, I'll admit I took interview trips to companies that i did not intend to work for . . . just to get a frre trip and be wined and dined and see parts of the country I had not seen before. It's a lot of fun.
I would LOVE to go on a recruiting trip to Oregon if I was a high school kid, even if I had no interest in going there.
I wonder how Texas, the king of early recruiting, handles these situations?
He hasn't turned it into a circus either. He pretty much stated what his plan was, and he is essentially sticking to that plan.
All we know for certain is that Hoke hasn't told us all that he knows.
and they are going to take the first quality commits. There is pressure both ways. This staff knows football...this sort of thing is going to happen when the staff sees talent others haven't yet. I don't see any evidence the staff is advising the Conleys and Striblings how good they are prior to taking their commit but I do agree the no visit policy is explicit.
According to what Sam Webb has said numerous times, your scenario is actually the same as Hoke's: i.e., if a commit takes other visits, then they don't consider him a commit any longer. It doesn't necessarily mean that UM will stop recruiting him, or would refuse to offer him again, but it does mean that the guaranteed spot is no longer there.
From reading/listening between the lines, what will determine whether or not a particular decommit has any chance of getting an offer from UM again is how they go about the process of decommitting. As we've all read by now, there are assertions that a recent decommit was secretly contacting another school while still officially committed to Michigan, and that lack of honesty ruined the relationship. If Conley does things above board and deals with UM's staff directly, all is not lost.
I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at OSU myself. I think there's going to be more and more of this stuff at all schools because of the early committing process these days.
Change your policy Brady. Recruiting has changed, its about showing you are not afraid to go up against anybody. Why have unnecessary negative decommitments when you don't have to. I understand that it's also about making sure you reach specific numbers for certain positions and it's all about the team and not individual players, but for those 5 star studs you have got to make an exception because if you don't you'll see them on the opposite sideline on the last saturday in november.
You gotta show some back bone and not relent on a policy. Now I agree it can suck in some rare cases, bit mostly it shows integrity and a will that lets a coach look like they're not just going to allow a commit to be wishy-washy.
I love Conley's game and hopes he ends up in Ann Arbor, but he committed and we stopped recruiting other guys because of that, don't commit till you're ready and be loyal to a major program that pursued you early and often and believed in you and not some johnny come lately like Urban has shown to be with many committed recruits.
This is what im talking about these kids dont understand that. Urban didnt want him and now that he is killing people on the field now he jumps in. It sucks but what can you do. Ido hope the kid is still hope we go after him if he does take these trips, but if not good luck young man. BTW im form ohio LOVE MICHIGAN GO BLUE...now im in San Diego!!!!
welcome to San Diego, finest city around, how about this weather too? What part of town do you live? I'm near where the I-5 and 52 meet.
Do we want to establish ourselves as a school that keeps its commitments to our student athletes once made or not? Because, if we take the path you are recommending, then we will eventually be in a position where we will have to toss a kid who has committed for a kid who waited until the last minute or whatever.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but let's be sure we understand who we are and what we have to offer and how we are going to conduct business. That appears to me to be the essence of what I would expect as the Michigan way.....
"but for those 5 star studs you have got to make an exception"
No you don't.
At this point you can't change the policy without making yourself look really bad. We've now had 2 recruits go through the whole "I really want to take visits" phase, one stayed and one left. If the policy is changed then it's gonna cause a lot more trouble down the line
Ironically, it is not the "5 star studs" that Hoke is having a problem with. It is the kids that they get in on early that think this might be their only big time offer. These kids committ and then find out they have more offers and more opportunities. I like the policy, getting rid of it is very short sighted.
I'm having a hard time understanding why some think the No-Visits Policy(NVP) is bad. What is the downside?
- Would a kid be pressured into committing, and back out later because he wasn't sure at that moment? Yes it happens but it isn't because of the NVP. That kid, 99 times out of 100, wouldn't end up at Michigan anyway. The kid is decommitting because he isn't convinced Michigan is the place for him. Allowing visits to other schools is going to help convince him that it is, how??
On the other hand, I can see two benefits of the NVP.
- To a degree, it should protect our commits from negative recruiting. Other schools will still do it over phones and stuff, but an NVP will limit the exposure.
- And most of all, I think it really helps our overall recruiting, time and effort-wise. With limited time and effort to spend on a huge number of targets, the coaches won't have to always be on their toes with an NVP in place. They'll be able to concentrate on a small number of highly rated kids instead of worrying about soft commits decommitting, and ALSO perpetually scouting potential replacements.
In addition, once the no-visit policy is in place and is applied to excellent talent (Pharoah Brown, David Dawson), it also sets a precedent that when Coach Hoke says something, he means it. If you want to foster an environment where stars work hard, less touted recruits buy in, and the whole roster competes, it is important that players believe their coaches when they talk. Obviously it sucks to not have PB and DD (and possibly Gaeron Conley), who all are highly touted and seem like perfectly decent kids, but the kids who are around know that when Hoke says "do X," it does not mean "do X (unless you are really talented)" or "do X (unless you can talk your way out of it)".
Also, due to the fact that by all accounts Hoke is a man of integrity AND he wins, I am that much prouder to be a fan.
Your comment makes no sense. Do you really think kids would not take these other visits if we didn't have the policy? If a kid wants to explore other options, he is going to do so regardless of the policy. The policy just gives Hoke an out if a committed kid wants to shop around -- otherwise the kid takes his visits while he is technically still "committed" and Hoke and Michigan look like the assholes if they also want to look elsewhere and later rescind the offer and give the spot to someone else.
The policy does not say once a kid takes other visits he can't come back to Michigan if the spot is still available. If Hoke and co. think Conley is likely to come back, then I imagine they would leave the spot available. I think the policy is a brilliant move -- it allows us to always take the moral high ground, yet still have flexibility if a committed kid wavers.
If they want to take other visits, they don't have to commit. It's not that complicated
Its not Hokes policy. The policy forces recruits to answer a simple question: "Do you really want to come to Michigan?"
The answer, in Conleys case, is clear: No.
That's not intended to be an assault on his character.
Conley was an overlooked prospect when we offered, and our offer dwarfed any he had. I'm sure accepting it seemed like a no-brainer. Well, now he has a flood of comparable offers, ones he may have never expected to get. Perhaps Michigan was never his first choice - perhaps it was the best of the choices he expected to get. For a kid from the Columbus area, that seems entirely possible.
That's the nature of recruiting. There will always be constants and unexpecteds, and if you're ok with a few of these situations, I really do think that Hoke's policy works well. Look at his decommitment numbers compared to other coaches. You'll just have a few of these situations every year.
Side note, I wouldn't call Canton "the Columbus area", unless you just mean that OSU is the closest football giant to him. It's considered the Akron area, and is closer to both Akron and Cleveland.
Having once been 17, I remember that decision making wasn't always my strongest trait.
However, once the policy is explained, and you agree to its terms, I just can't shrug my shoulders and say it is completely forgiveable to say it's OK just to change your mind. The process is dynamic and impacts people other than yourself. It also reflects your personal values.
Regardless, I wish the kid well.
The kid didn't sign his name anywhere...
and Michigan accepted it as binding and in return made a binding promise in exchange.
I hope he forgoes the OSU visit and stays. Guess we all get to wait and see.
Conley started looking around the second he received more offers which means that his committment to Michigan was not firm. Hoke's policy is designed to weed out those who are not firm in their committment. The policy is not to blame here, and neither is Gareon for wanting to look around before making such an important decision. Some things are just not meant to be, and this is looking like one of those things.
His foot is half in the door.
"you can play whatever you want". Seems a little shiesty of a thing to say
Why would he want to visit a stadium that looks like a toilet?
Probably to relieve himself. That why I visit toilet shaped things
Breaking off all ties with the player (see e.g., brown and Dawson). Why not let them recommit later if there is still a spot ala will Campbell?
Its pretty simple - because the staff does not want to take a kid that first committed and then decided, "hey, maybe there are better offers so I'll just use Michigan as my fall-back option and see if I can do better." No one wants to be an afterthought and Hoke cannot play his recruiting class by sitting around and waiting for kids to make up their minds.
All the people saying that the policy is flawed are interesting to me - I won't rehash it, but applying the policy to some recruits and not blue-chip recruits is like everyone having to abide by a certain law (no speeding) but celebrities not having to worry about it. Its a silly way to operate.
Im not sure it does lead to breaking off all ties. The two situations you described both involved shadiness on the part of the recruit. We have yet to see a situation in which a recruit is up front with the staff about decommitting and taking visits. So there is no way to know if the door is open for a return if there is open communication.
I don't see why this is difficult to understand. If a recruit KNOWS that a course of action will sever ties with Michigan, and chooses that course of action, he has likely conclusively decided he does not want to attend Michigan. That's why ties are cut.
The Policy has been stated as if you take visits you no longer have a gauranteed spot. That is different than saying you no longer have an offer which has never been the stated policy but seems to be the way it's being implied. The former seems more reasonable to me
What's the implicit message in the recruit deciding that they'd rather investigate the POSSIBILITY of going somewhere else than have the CERTAINTY of coming to Michigan?
for most kids and parents this is business. To take your analogy though... if there are no premarital relations...I have no issues with my wife shopping around. The vows are sacred... the courtship is not. Engagements sometimes break. Every recruit is different. A policy is only as good as the relative return you get with respect to other policy in the long run. Ideally the best policy might be to allow a player to take visits if his stock improves by ...IDK...2 stars on the average...this too could be explicit and would allow both sides the honor and flexibility needed in today's twitter screwy recruiting battles. I don't think this staff takes recruiting services that seriously...nor are they looking at this with that kind of savvy. It is what it is...these dogs weren't hired to do what they haven't done before. You dance with the guy who brought you....but ultimately you aren't married to him either.
I am totally in favor of the no visit policy. When players commit to the program the program commits to them and stops recruiting other players at that position. If you decide you no longer want to honor that commitment it puts the program in a bad position.
This situation is a little different. I may be wrong but it really sounds like this is mostly this kids mother hounding him to look at different places. If that's true it really puts him in a bad spot. On one hand you're use to your mother having your best at heart but on the other she may be costing him his best option and the one he really wants.
Regardless I really hope the two of them sit down and talk to the coaching staff before they make any decisions they can't take back.
i keep seeing post that reference the no visit policy pressures kids to commit early. that logic is faulty. if anything it should keep u from committing. players need to trust their talent. im almost certain that the coaches could have had another wr but are waiting on treadwell. if treadwell goes else where they still get that receiver if they want them. but if treadwell commits and then starts looking around we can loose that receiver because we stopped recruiting him. it better to recruit two uncommitted prospects.
If you are not sure, don't commit. Pretty simple. That is why Green hasn't committed. I think it is a good rule with no gray areas.
that is also why Treadwell is taking his time... whether or not he likes all the attention is a different question, but you can never blame a kid for taking his time and thinking things over. I am very much in favor of Hoke's policy as long as it is made crystal clear to the recruits when they are committing to avoid misunderstandings later.
Treadwell's choice is to commit to Michigan now and take one official visit to a school he has been to half a dozen times or commit to Michigan later (because they are holding a spot for him) and take five official visits all over the country. of course, I'm assuming he will commit to Michigan but his choice makes a lot of sense to me. If Michigan would have given me a scholarship offer I would have taken it immediately...but I grew up a fan and didn't even play high school football so my situation is slightly different than a five star recruit.
People on this blog site want you to believe being 17 is an age where your undecided, slow, dumb childish or whatever the case may be. In my opinion 17-18 is an age where we all began to make life affecting decisions and a lot of kids that age are parents theirselves don't think for one second these kids don't understand the choices they make. O$U is known for paying kids to play ball for them so how do we know what the "real" reason is for this visit? I don't trust those snakes at Ohio as far as I can throw em.
Because he has to know that OSU already has verbals from Woodard & Burrows. But, OSU is still in the mix for a number of good WR recruits. I don't see him thinking his path to playing is better at OSU than UM. This decision doesn't make much sense to me.
...or someone else who wants to actually look at the data. The assertion has been made here by defenders of the zero tolerance no visit policy that it actually leads to fewer decommitments. Wouldn't be interesting to look at the actual numbers? Comparing schools with zero tolerance policies, and those without... comparing number of decommitments, number of eventual transfers, and examining specifically what happens to those "commits" who do take other visits after commiting.
I suspect the numbers will be pretty similar... if one policy were clearly better than another, than every major program would adopt it.
Probably a nearly impossible analysis retrospectively, but maybe someone is willing to track this kind of data prospectively so we actually have some factual information to weigh in future years. This is going to come up every year.
We've three solid CBs in this class with in Stribling, Lewis, and Douglas. Meanwhile, we're still looking for a game-changing WR. Wouldn't it make more sense to put Conley on offense? It sounds like that might be a huge factor in his interest in Oregon and OSU.
Conley has been given that option to play WR at Michigan.
nobody was calling Stribling solid except GREG when he verballed. These sort of problems happen when you lead the market...but at least you are leading.
On the plus side, more decommits means more commits means more welcome posts!
A Whales vagina.
Hopefully Hoke talks him out of this nonsense
Guh I'm all for these kids making their own decisions but sweet baby Jesus there have to be other cool schools out there that our commits can decommit and go to other than our biggest rivals
If you see me in Conley's hood with some Oregon gear on I've always been an Oregon booster, that's the story. Anywhere but Ohio!!!
if he's interested in ohio state, he's not really that interested in michigan. it sounds to me like michigan was a contingency plan in case he didn't he didn't get an offer he liked more.
Nothing we can do about a kid wanting to take visits. If he doesnt wanna be at Michigan then I dont want him here. The door is wide open. Hoke is putting together something special here and only kids that bleed maize and blue deserve to be apart of it.
And just let Hoke and the rest of the staff handle this situation in whatever manner they think is best. We can all sit here and arm chair ideas about the no-visit policy and what we coulda, woulda, shoulda done but the fact of the matter is: these are kids. Kids who haven't been U of M fans since the glory days. Kids who didn't grow up watchin U of M to understand how deep the tradition runs and how deep the rivalries run.
That being said: Mr. Conley, as others have stated, is 17 and he has a huge decision to make. He isn't taking visits at OSU to spite anyone; he's simply trying to do what's best for him and while I'd love for him to take a step back and realize we recruited him for Mich before he received all those offers from OSU and the garnering interests of Oregon, I also can't EXPECT him to. We have no idea what these kids go through in this process. And honestly, I track recruits and hang on there every move as much as anyone who loves U of M and wants the best for our favorite school but stay calm...
Best of luck to Conley wherever he goes; at least he is planning on talking with Hoke. Coach Hoke and staff are doing an amazing job and will continue to, despite what happens with the final signings of the class of 2013.
The no visit policy means a scholarship won't be held for a kid shopping around. Without it, you have situations where we're committed to kids who are not committed to us.
A committment can't be one sided. If it's not absolute from both parties, it doesn't exist.
The no visit policy means a scholarship won't be held for a kid shopping around. Without it, you have situations where we're committed to kids who are not committed to us.
A committment can't be one sided. If it's not absolute from both parties, it doesn't exist.
"Feels like the kid used Michigan to get his name out there more."
There are two sides to every coin. Maybe he thought Michigan was the best offer he was going to get. And now that equally good (or better) offers are coming, he's reconsidering because of it.
We're taking advantage of the same type of thing with Da'Mario Jones. He committed to CMU back in July, presumably because he wanted to play for Central Michigan and figured bigger offers might not be coming. Then Michigan swoops in with an offer, and he jumps on it. Was he using CMU? I don't think so. But things change, and he's got to do what's best for himself.
Bottom line...we all want the best athletes to give us the best chance of winning and it sucks feeling like you have a guy, then he goes elsewhere, and it makes it even worse if he goes to our rivals. But, lets face it, our rivals are the best programs in midwest, so chances are good they will go there. I don't like it any more than anyone else but it's just sour grapes. It's human nature, you do what's best for you. We do the same as a team, the player also does in his recruiting...he takes the best offer, if better ones come later (in his opinion) he takes those instead. Should he have just waited yes, but he's 17-18. In this particular situation higly rated recruits have the power, the program no longer does in this age of media where they are alerady stars before ever doing a thing on the college level...they can do whatever they want because someone will always want them. It's hard not to follow recruiting and get caught up in this drama, but it's like watching the Jersey Shore. It's entertaining and hard to turn off, but it gets you know where but annoyed.