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Congratulations Coach Beilein on win #650!
If you really think about it, if 20+ win seasons become the expected norm he's going to be racking up wins at a pretty good pace and will be moving into the rarified air of the 700-800 win club before he's done here. Currently only 16 guys have won 800 games. Only 7 if you take out all those who never coached at a major BCS style program. Some other guys are coaching still and will get there, and the guys at the top will continue to build on their lead, but impressive in any regard.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 4th, 2012 at 11:55 PM | Thank god for John Beilein (Score:5 Normal)
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Did anyone honestly see this coming when he was first hired?

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December 4th, 2012 at 11:57 PM | My magic 8 ball said so. (Score:5 Normal)
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And my fortune cookie backed it up.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:45 AM | No lie. (Score:3 Normal)
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When he was hired I told my high school gym teacher that beilein was the man. Part of it was blind hope but part was I was sold on his 1-3-1 zone and told him that his Spartans (played baseball at msu and brother is a strength coach for msu football, men's and women's bball, and hockey) would have troubles with that D and the beilein 3 point game. So when we swept state a couple years ago I confronted my former gym teacher and he supplied me with 2nd row seats for msu vs Wisconsin right behind msu's bench. The seats normally reserved for recruits were aMAIZEing and I made sure to rub the sweep in to both him and his brother. GO BLUE from the great white north

If you spell Crisler like the car company you should hand in your fan card before the next meeting.... Same goes for Ferry Field

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December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 AM | CSB (Score:3 Normal)
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CSB

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December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 AM | I like to think (Score:1)
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that I placed his name in contention. Well not really, but I plumped for him. 

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:59 PM | I did.  I remember watching (Score:2)
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I did.  I remember watching him take WVU to the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 in back-to-back years and being envious of them (this was when we kept finishing on the wrong side of the NCAA bubble under Amaker).  I figured that if he could do that there, at a school with little basketball history or recruiting base, he certainly could here.  And that was his rationale for coming here - he knew Michigan had great upside as a program.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | How far can he get with 30+ (Score:5 Normal)
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How far can he get with 30+ win seasons?

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:03 AM | If he coached 10 more years (Score:4 Normal)
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averaging at least 25 wins a year, if not 30-35 in some years, you're looking at 900-1000 I would venture to guess.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | Indeed (Score:3 Normal)
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congrats coach and many more on the way.

It just feels like Coach B is gonna be here for a long time building the program back to where it should be.

Great coaching, great recruiting now for the last couple years and going forward, great school, great fanbase....everything is great! Go Blue!!!

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December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 AM | given that he's not a screamer, it's not hard (Score:1)
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to imagine him settling into a Woodensque long tenure.

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December 5th, 2012 at 3:25 AM | This one? Yes.The one about (Score:5 Normal)
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This one? Yes.

The one about how we're a little worried that we're getting too many one-and-done type players and that we might only have a top five team in some years? No, didn't see that one coming.

EDIT:  This was intended as a response to the "Did anyone see this coming?" post above.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:30 AM | Congratulations To Coach Beilein (Score:3 Normal)
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Congratulations to John Beilein! What a nice victory #650 was as well.

As a bit of trivia, he is the only coach to have achieved 20+ win seasons at four different levels of competition from junior college to Division I play. I could be incorrect on this, but I think Beilein is also among the top 20 winningest active coaches in Division I right now and near the top in games coached and years coached among active coaches as well. 

Here's to many more wins, Coach. The program is definitely in great hands. 

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:20 AM | - (Score:5 Normal)
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My uncle said he was a bad hire. He also said that Hoke was a bad hire and RIch Rod a great one. My uncle is wrong a lot. 

"I tried to but a pencil in the light socket but it was too wide and didn't fit so I used a paperclip."-Terrelle Pryor, Future Rhodes Scholar

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:26 AM | Could you let us know if he (Score:5 Normal)
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Could you let us know if he picks stocks as well?

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:35 AM | Jury is out on Hoke (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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For reals.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:56 AM | What are you talking about? (Score:3 Normal)
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Let's review:

 

Hoke has gone 19-6 and 12-4 in the B1G while still not having his style squad and particularly on offense and he is top 5ish in recruiting on a regular basis now

while the guy before him was 15-22 and 6-18 in the B1G and recruited stupidly and had high attrition because of it.

If in 2 years we're still losing 3-4 games a year, maybe we'd have to consider that unworthy, which it would be....but I have a feeling we'll be double digit winners just about every year for a while and possibly 12-2, 13-1 or 14-0 seasons often.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:11 AM | Recruited stupidly? (Score:2 Normal)
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Im willing to bet that lots of players on the past two teams were RR recruits, especially last year. Hoke has done well, but we haven't seen his players yet.

I have a Fandom Endurance III merit badge

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:15 AM | RR got us some great players (Score:5 Normal)
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He also recruited exactly one OL in one of his classes, which is why we have no interior line depth.

Moeller v. Excalibur Restaurant -- Fight!

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 AM | However, the lack of depth on (Score:4 Normal)
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However, the lack of depth on the OL currently is completely on RR.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:41 AM | Both sides of this fight are (Score:5 Normal)
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Both sides of this fight are silly, but this point is especially ridiculous.  Of course a lot of the players on the past two teams were RR recruits.  Even if you call the class of 2011 guys Hoke's recruits, the most senior Hoke recruits were redshirt freshmen / true sophomores this past year.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:53 AM | This has nothing to do with RR or any previous coach... (Score:-1 Normal)
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...and everything to do with unrealized expecations.

As a point of reference, who am I?:

I took over coaching a well known and tradition-laden college football program after the previous coach whose underwhelming recruiting and coaching got him fired after 3 years.  In my first 2 years at the helm, I compiled a 19-6 record, including 2 BCS berths and a national coach of the year award.  My next 3 years I went, 3-9, 7-6, and 6-6.  I was then fired.  Who am I? (hint: I have a FUPA)

Again, I will reiterate.  This has absolutely nothing to do with RR and I never once mentioned it in my post.  Hoke has done well thus far (although this season was not great by any means), but he far from meeting expectations of this program, and we should probably wait until he hopefully does so before we determine if it was a good hire.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | I'll play the FUPA game (Score:3 Normal)
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you are the fat ass coach at Kansas and Willingham must've recruited pretty good for you to go 19-6 in 1st 2 seasons and had a crappy record with your own recruits, in other words, I don't see Hoke going 3-9 next year, just sayin'

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December 5th, 2012 at 11:49 AM | So it's settled in your mind; (Score:0 Flamebait)
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that's cool. Blind obeisance was never my thing, anyway. And I love a lot about him. His long term success/trajectory is, by obvjective standards, tbd. 

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December 5th, 2012 at 10:03 AM | One Note Nelly (Score:3 Normal)
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"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 AM | Congrats Coach B! (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm so happy to see his success here.  My high school years saw him get to the Elite Eight at WVU, I think it's about time it happened here at UM.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:29 AM | I remember (Score:1)
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I remember a couple years ago when the basketball team was struggling early in B1G play thinking that we should go in a different direction. We had just hired Hoke and I truly thought Brandon should have made a change in basketball as well. Boy was I wrong. Congrats to coach Beilein on his achievement.

I hate ohio. Thats all you need to know.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:40 AM | I remember that moment as (Score:4 Normal)
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I remember that moment as well.  I think Brian even had a post where he acknowledged calls for Beilein's head and speculated on what it would take for him to get fired.  Then there was a leadership aneurysm, someone had to GTFO Morris' court, and things started to look pretty different.

Now with 100% less South Bend, 100% more Washington DC.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 AM | It was ridiculous to even think about firing JB (Score:1 Normal)
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considering his track record and the fact that he led Michigan to their 1st NCAA tourney appearance in 20 years which is something that Tommy Amaker and Brian Ellerbe had failed to do so.  This is why you need to let it play out for 4-5 years before judging the hire.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:52 AM | If by 20 years (Score:2 Normal)
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you mean 11 years, 1998 till 2009 before NCAA appearance, then yes, you're right, 20 years

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:15 AM | Haha! (Score:2 Normal)
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Haha!

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 AM | Technically you're right (Score:2 Normal)
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NCAA/Michigan won't recognize it, but we do. :-)

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December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 PM | 14 years (Score:2)
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They do recognize our tourney bids in '94 and '95.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:44 AM | I'll admit, I though he was a (Score:3 Normal)
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I'll admit, I though he was a terrible coach after that Big Ten tourney game against Ohio in 2010.  I am quite pleased to be proven thoroughly wrong.

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:49 AM | Why would you think that? (Score:3 Normal)
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JB has won everywhere he has coached. Took Michigan to NCAA tourney in 2009.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:53 AM | Why bc he let Evan turner hit (Score:2 Normal)
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Why bc he let Evan turner hit a half court shot to avoid what would've been an upset???

If you spell Crisler like the car company you should hand in your fan card before the next meeting.... Same goes for Ferry Field

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December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 AM | On another basketball note, (Score:4 Normal)
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On another basketball note, NC State just beat UConn on a neutral floor. Good to see a team Michigan beat take down a team that beat Sparty. I know the transitive thing doesn't work. But it's still good for NC State to get that win.

Those Who Stay...

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:08 AM | Bradley (Score:3 Normal)
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Also, Bradley just beat fellow mid-major George Washington, 72-68.  Not an amazing victory by any stretch, but always good to see past opponents winning games they're supposed to win.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:10 AM | Well as stubbornly wrong as I (Score:3 Normal)
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Well as stubbornly wrong as I was about Rich Rod, it's nice to be proven right about Beilein being the right coach (though even at my most optimistic, I didn't see this happeneing).

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 AM | Yeah same. I was sold on RRod (Score:2 Normal)
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Yeah same. I was sold on RRod turning this program into a NC competitor. But then I saw the defense.

If you spell Crisler like the car company you should hand in your fan card before the next meeting.... Same goes for Ferry Field

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 AM | I don't think they'll be (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't think they'll be counting his wins at Erie Community College for any all time lists.

 

However, he'll be getting to 800 from his current 575 in no time.

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December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 AM | Very true. (Score:2)
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I don't think the NCAA recognizes those. Only 4 year institutions.

But I was pretty conservative not only on his win total, but how many years he might still coach. He's not a kid at 58, but ten years isn't unrealistic.  In basketball though you see guys coach longer than that even; whereas in football that's really old if your name isn't "Paterno." You can even win:

 

Oldest NCAA Championship Coaches

 

Coach Y- M- D

Phog Allen, Kansas, 1952 66- 4- 8

John Wooden, UCLA, 1975 64- 5-17

Mike Krzyzewski Duke, 2010 63- 1-22

Lute Olson, Arizona, 1997 62- 6- 9

John Wooden, UCLA, 1973 62- 5-12

Dean Smith, North Carolina, 1993 62- 1- 7

Jim Calhoun Connecticut, 2004 61-10-25

John Wooden, UCLA, 1972 61- 5-11

John Wooden, UCLA, 1971 60- 5-13

Jerry Tarkanian, UNLV, 1990 59- 7-24

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncb&id=6273838

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December 5th, 2012 at 10:55 AM | Why no UConn 2011?  Calhoun (Score:2 Normal)
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Why no UConn 2011?  Calhoun was 68- the oldest champion coach ever.

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December 5th, 2012 at 11:17 AM | That link is old (Score:3 Normal)
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If you look at the actual page, it is from March 2011, and has a disclaimer at the bottom regarding Calhoun:

 

If Connecticut wins the championship, Jim Calhoun (68-10-24) will become the oldest coach to win the title.

 

So yeah, Calhoun is the oldest now.

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December 5th, 2012 at 3:47 PM | yeah, they even mention that (Score:2)
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If Calhoun wins he'd be the oldest. I didn't want to copy the whole article though (even though there wasn't much more).  Just wanted multiple examples of guys successfully coaching at an older age.

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December 5th, 2012 at 11:14 AM | Holy crap, I had no idea (Score:2)
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Holy crap, I had no idea Coach K was almost 66 (birthday is in February).  I guess I should have realized he was getting up there because of how long he's been at Duke, but even still I figured he was in only his late 50s.

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December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 AM | I posted this on the game (Score:3 Normal)
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I posted this on the game thread but I really think JB is building a program in the tradition of the very best basketball programs and is on his way to be a legendary-type coach here.  His journey to Ann Arbor was long, he seemed to win everywhere and yet never attract the spotlight of the loud-mouth, egocentric types that populate the college coaching positions today.  And in the same quiet fashion he's been building the Michigan program, aided by the facility improvements no doubt, but his basketball brain, values and vision can't be overlooked.  

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December 5th, 2012 at 3:31 AM | I think it's worth pointing (Score:5 Normal)
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I think it's worth pointing out that his next win will be number 100 while on the sideline for the Maize and Blue

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December 5th, 2012 at 4:04 AM | I was mildy enthusiastic when (Score:3 Normal)
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I was mildy enthusiastic when he was hired.  When his contract was renewed in the middle of his third season, in which M finished 15-17 despite being ranked like #15 preseason, including a disasterous start to the 2009-10 year, I considered it an intentional, malicious act by Bill Martin to screw Michigan one more time.   

As it turns out, he has done a great job recruiting potential stars like THJ, GRIII, Burke, Stauskas before they blow up. 

Missing Ann Arbor

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December 5th, 2012 at 11:48 AM | Not sure why it's a malicious act (Score:1)
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because it's a given that a coach is a dead man walking if he has 1 year left in his contract. It hurts the team and recruiting because of the questions and uncertainity.  The norm is to extend contract if he is about to enter into the final year of contract.

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December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 AM | For all the self flagellation in this thread... (Score:5 Normal)
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Remember Beilein has done some stuff that is so out of character for an established coach his age.  He's basically modified his offense to his talent while still keeping his disciplines from a system coach (we like the 3; we aren't dependent on the 3).  He was a zone coach who basically coaches man to man with zone as a change up. He's not recruiting only "system guys"; he may have landed his first truly great 3 point shooter after all these years. (We shot them a lot...we haven't hit a very good percentage). And mixed his system type guys in with true athletes.  

And biggest of all he reassessed and did a complete overhaul of his staff. Not as rare in basketball as in football, but still not something you'd expect a guy who has succeeded everywhere he's been to do at his last job.  And it certainly made a BIG change in recruiting, as well as X and O's things we probably can't notice as well. If he was still stubbornly doing the things that he did at Richmond he might not still be coach here.

This isn't to say what he was doing before was so bad. It's more a credit to him that he can spot weaknesses, and change to his times and environment. That more than anything (brilliant basketball mind; excellent recruiting eye) is behind his success. And it's not a lot of even great coaches have.

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