They're good, I get it. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
Just like every other day of my life, fuck sparty.
They're good, I get it. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
Just like every other day of my life, fuck sparty.
Things change quickly in NCAA sports. Last year, Michigan had the best player in college basketball and Sparty was on the outs looking at us playing in the National Championship and Final Four. This year, we are on the outs watching their football team win a Rose Bowl.
Things change quickly. Goat to hero to goat. But at the same time, they have had some sustained success and Wolverine fan patience is wearing thin.
This just in...the temperature in East Lansing has inexplicably risen by 10 degrees in the last 15 minutes. Meteorologists are stumped.
A very good performance by State. Kudos. A fitting end to 2013/beginning of 2014 for UM to be sitting at home 7-6 while Sparty carries about a bunch of trophies after their best season in decades.
The perception of the B1G on a national scale just improved with that win, and frankly we need all the help we can get. I really want what's best for Michigan and that includes a conference that is relevant nationally.
I feel bad for wanting good things to happen to Sparty. Being a good person is hard. I need a new resolution already.
Or new revolution
Can we be clear about one thing? This is in no way good for Michigan. Having your in-state rival and recruiting competitor win the Rose Bowl while you get destroyed by a middling Big 12 team is bad any way you look at it. If this keeps up, MSU is going to start getting the serious talent to commit.
It is not bad in every way. If conference perception improves, that is a benefit to Michigan. Now, overall, I think you're quite right -- it's generally not good for Michigan.
It is only bad for the coaches because they have more pressure to earn their top salaries and perform. Michigan still gets higher rated players and should be able to beat MSU. If they can't get it done, then we have learned something valuable about the staff and can move to correct it. They won't be able to get by taking advantage of a weak B1G. If Michigan gets it done, it will be because of coaching and that can only help against the National Powers. It will make the B1G better in the big games.
Yeah, well, Dave Brandon, Brady Hoke and Al Borges have not been very good for Michigan either. Our coaches just have to execute better, stop blaming the players and not suck as bad. And our AD needs to leave.
I agree that this is bad for UM recruiting - AT THIS VERY MOMENT- if we stay bad as you described. But if we get good we can recruit nationally very well. Stong competition only makes you stronger IMHO- if you take it on. And why do we always need "serious talent to commit" to have any chance to become good? Other teams develop average players into great ones. I think there is very much a loser's mindset among many UM fans that wants our enemies to get weaker rather than us get stronger.
Pretty cool video of Mark Dantonio. Even with all his accomplishments (NC ring as a DC) he still feels like he has something to prove. Would kill to have that kind of hunger and desire on our staff.
we don't have anything to prove. This is Michigan, fergodsakes. Or something.
Congrats to Sparty. You can't argue with success. Right now Michigan and MSU are programs headed in opposite directions. Hopfully 2014 proves me very wrong, but I haven't seen much to make me think so. Should make in state recruiting a little more interesting as well.
they have a great coaching staff and Michigan doesn't. This shit should be expected until that changes. They deserve to be Rose Bowl champions and they are.
Easily MSU's greatest season since '66. You could make a case it's their greatest of all time.
Neg me to Bolivia, but all I can say is fuck Mike Hart. His petty comment has come back to bite and has made the turning of the tide all the more unbearable. Michigan will now be cursed for a hundred years. And nobody outside of the fanbase gives a shit. Bill Martin and Dave Brandon are laughing all the way to the bank as they sit back in their 5 million dollar mansions, and suck every last nickel out of the last wave of a dying legacy.
Call me overdramatic but how long do we have to sit back and watch the coaching staff and the U-M administrators act like Michigan football does not have a problem before anything actually changes?
So you are blaming Mike Hart for the way we played against K-State? Really?
please read my concluding sentence again.
As for Mike Hart's comment, I'm just saying it's funny to think how giddy almost every Michigan fan was after that comment was made. We were on our way to a 4 loss season that began by losing to Appy State and yet everyone was acting like it was 1997 and Michigan was light-years ahead of Sparty.
It's pretty clear that back in '07 Bill Martin was convinced that Michigan was on a permanant pedestal and didn't bother taking the coaching search seriously. Meanwhile Dave Brandon is the sort of arrogant elitist stiff who epitomizes what MSU fans say Michigan fans are. Hopefully he runs for office or something.
And yet here we are in 2013, and with regards to football, Michigan is now little brother. I wonder how Lloyd Carr feels about all this. He left this program as a house of cards that has no utterly collapsed.
Shitty coaching has bit us, not some comment made by hart. You're stretching big time here
It has backfired on UM and in a big way. A huge, huge sea change has occurred and we're on the deserted island - watching all the ships sails away. Sparty is going to be ranked in the top 5... probably #3 to end the season! LOL #3! And meanwhile Michigan is 7-6, still arguing about "proper tempo" and "toughness" and "the team the team the team".
It is getting stupid. Michigan State gets athletic, intelligent, undersized scrappers and then puts 'em into new positions. That tackle by their linebacker on OSU's Miller in the B10 title game said it all. Remember the 4th and 1? Kid grabs Braxton's legs and doesn't let go. Scraps to the end. Turnover on downs. Ball game. When was the last time you saw a "Michigan man" do that? Make an all out gut-check tackle to stop an opponent on fourth down?
I am finished with the hype on recruiting. It means nothing. Correction - it means something when it comes to the big boys up front (OL, DL) but for the back 7? Means very little to me until I see the kid strap on pads and make plays in the B10. Is it awesome to have someone like Jabrill Peppers commit to your school? Of course. But wouldn't you take Sparty's "No Fly Zone" from this season over one man? Pretty sure we would.
We did that plenty in 2011 and 2012. Defense is not Michigan's problem.
Hart made some analogy after an emotional game at the age of 21. I don't really think it was that big of a deal.
I do blame Bill and Dave more more. From their botched coaching hires to writing "Go Blue" in the sky over Sparty Stadium like a jackass
If you think DB is not going mad right at this point, you are kidding yourself. You cannot be uber competitive and to get to this level -- CEO of a large firm and the AD of a top 10 athletic program.
He also knows that the UM football is the cash cow and that all the money that it brings in could be gone if we have a couple more years like 2013. I am sure he wants to win as bad as the most fanatic fan. He could make stupid decision, but it is not for lack of desire to win.
I'm sure Brandon wants to win more than any of us. He did put his blood, sweat, and tears into this program. The question is, does he know what it takes to win in today's game?
how can you not see that? Obviously he wants to win - I never said he didn't. The issue is that he suffers from wayyy too much overconfidence with regards to his decision making. Ask any coach or even sports writer and they'll tell you that firing a coach after a meaningless bowl game is insane. But not only does Brandon do that, he then goes out and hires a below .500 MAC coach who knows so little about offense he doesn't wear a headset. Despite the fact that Jim Harbaugh was available.
Let's not bring that up.
I'm guessing back in 2006 you would belonged to the "Saban is not coming to Alabama" crowd. If Brandon had pitched it right and if he had offered 1.5x what SF was offering, Harbaugh would be coach at Michigan.
This could not have possibly come any further full circle--it's like Obi-Wan and Vader type shit. I don't see the roles reversing anytime soon either. Our program and ESPECIALLY administration just don't get it. If they did, ass clowns like Borges would have been gone by now. All that matters is money to them; it sickens me.
State reminds me of how Michigan Football used to be--like in 1997. That seems like a different lifetime ago. We took it all for granted, and now we're paying.
Nobody would pay that incompetent fool over $700k to spearhead one of the worst offenses in the country except for Michigan.
they have surpassed us in everyway now other than recruiting...and that won't take long to change either.
Michigan has better helmets
and don't forget our stadium and fight song.
Wish that was us...
Much as I dislike them, I have to admit they were a couple iffy interference calls away from being undefeated and worthy of the championship game.
While watching that game I couldn't help but to think about Malik McDowell and get a really bad feeling.
Unless there is a miracle by Hoke and company, it is going to be a tough for us going forward. I now can understand how MSU felt when we had Bo and Carr here.
I'm starting to think the Navy Seal training the Seniors do in San Diego doesn't translate into more wins.
I've had that exact same thought. Maybe the seniors should just spend that week in the weight room or studying film instead of carrying heavy logs around on the beaches.
Sparty was the better team but those slow developing running plays and the poor clock management? Wow. I thought Stanford had smart people.
An OT winter classic loss and Brent saying,"Hail to the Spartans!". Sports God hates me...
On here. They just won the f'n Rose Bowl after already beating the number 2 team in the country to get there.
So anyone pulling the sour grapes/hater routine needs to put on their big boy pants and be a man about it and give congrats where it is due.
Congrats Sparty on the tremendous 2013 season and I sure hope UM is ready to take you down next fall!
I'm sure everyone will be saying "Congrats Ohio" if they win in two days. I was impressed with the Sparty love on here today. It was probably more pro-sparty than RCMB was today.
I can congratulate Sparty but I will never, ever congratulate Ohio or ND. My stomach turns at the thought, having said that and as much as this season killed me....
Hoke is the right guy for the job, he recruits very well and has proven that he is willing to make changes in his staff when necessary. Give him a full chance to make it happen. The Michigan program has been run in to the ground and just like a company or organization that has been run in to the ground, it is going to take twice as long to right the ship as it did to sink it.
As much as I blame RR for our current situation. How can you completely? RR didn't have the full support of the entire organization, people in important positions put their personal feelings in front of the success of the program. The team, the team, the team? The same people who quote that don't live up to it and it bothers me still and that includes Lloyd Carr.
I am more embarrassed about the actions of the University then than I am now. We are on the right track and doing it the right way.
2 more seasons is what we need to see where we are headed, any less than that is a disservice to the program and all it's fans. Maybe all the right pieces aren't in place but anyone here who thinks they know more about football than Hoke or Mattison is delusional. Ok, even I can't put Borges in that sentence. As much as I can't stand this season, it is the only way to get out of this hole.
To be completely honest, we don't have any other options at the moment.
Jesus... Here we are. This is the bottom of my fandom.
Not quite the bottom but you're getting close. Friday night Ohio State plays in the Orange Bowl. If things go the way I fully expect we'll hit the side of the mountain about midnight.
It's because their coaches are smarter than ours. They aren't happy with their OC so they bring in another one. Today, they knew they couldn't run on Stanford, so they throw it, and it worked out well. Stanford kept calling plays like Al Borges.