Computers have us losing to Tennessee

Submitted by milla61 on
The computers at whatifsports.com have us losing to Tennessee 68-67. Supposedly they have run a simulated tournament 2001 times and claim they have a 64.5% success rate in first round picks. They also have sparty losing 66-65. For those of you wanting to read the article its from the free press website. Im having trouble linking it from my phone.

Kyrie_Smith

March 15th, 2011 at 5:52 AM ^

That really isn't that great of a success rate. Just picking the higher seeds in the first round should put it at 70%+.
<br>I think Michigan wins easily, just to lose by 8 to Duke.

MGoDC

March 15th, 2011 at 6:14 AM ^

.....64.5% first round picks is fucking terrible. If I were that bad at picking 1st round games I certainly wouldn't advertise that as a selling point on a website.

rman247

March 15th, 2011 at 6:44 AM ^

I'm not going to lie, Tennessee is a more talented team when playing their best. If Tennessee were playing their best, they might be around a three seed. However Michigan is playing much better RIGHT NOW, that is something computers don't take onto account

steve sharik

March 15th, 2011 at 7:48 AM ^

The Bracket Predictor at ESPN (insider paywall, sorry) has four different models to generate predictions and three of them have Michigan with over a 60% chance at winning. 

Ken Pomeroy's model gives us a 57% chance at winning.

We are playing good basketball right now--the only teams that can beat us are the top teams in the country (O-state, Wiscy on a prayer, etc.).

We are one, they have drama.

Yet the experts seem to favor Tennessee.  Why?  Because we have players like Novak and Douglass starting for us and they have great athletes.  It's what drove Billy Beane so nuts about scouts as detailed in the book Moneyball.  Baseball scouts would look at how a guy looked in his uniform, on the radar gun, and in the weight room rather than the statistical data that showed proven results from past performance.

Certainly we can lose this game, but I'm just not seeing it.

 

jmblue

March 15th, 2011 at 8:10 AM ^

The computers do not realize that Beilein's teams regularly outperform their seed expectation in tournament play.  Also, they tend to do very well when given extra time (i.e., more than 72 hours between games) to prepare.  

MichLove

March 15th, 2011 at 8:28 AM ^

Unless the computer is Watson from Jeopardy I am not buying (that thing knew everything)

I think that this is one of the toughest games to predict because of the inconsistency of Tennessee this season. If the good Tenn shows up to play then it will be a tough game for Michigan - That being said, I think that Michigan will frustrate Tenn's athletes and control the game.

67 - 61 Michigan is my prediction (but then again, I am not computer simulation)

notYOURmom

March 15th, 2011 at 8:46 AM ^

Predicting a 1-pt win means almost nothing - it's not as though there is a 64.2% chance of their being right for EACH game, just overall.
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<br>You can do that well yourself if you average your guesses (How hard is it to predict that OSU wins its first-round game?)
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<br>A 1-pt differential might translate to as little as a 51% chance they think Tennessee wins. It's as close to saying "we don't have any effing idea what will happen," since they can't predict a tie.

BiSB

March 15th, 2011 at 9:09 AM ^

They're touting a 64.5% success rate in the first round of the NCAA tournament?

Try something this year.  Pick the #1 and #2 seeds to win their first round games.  Then flip a coin on the other 24 games.  That "simulation" will give you an average 62.5% success rate in the first round any year where a #1 or #2 seed doesn't shit the bed.  These guys are proud that they beat this strategy by 2 percent?

Give me KenPom any day.

milla61

March 15th, 2011 at 9:54 AM ^

I'm not agreeing with the article I was just relaying what I had read. Personally I believe that we win by 5 if the "good" Tennessee team shows up and win by 15 if Tennessee is as confused as they were against Charlotte. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Smotrycz lights it up for 20.

BiSB

March 15th, 2011 at 9:58 AM ^

I just hate it when companies try stupid selling points that make no sense.  It reminds me of the Simpsons episode with the lemon tree:

  • Shelbyville Guy #1: Sounds like Springfield's got a discipline problem.
  • Shelbyville Guy #2: Maybe that's why we beat them at football nearly half the time.
     

bronxblue

March 15th, 2011 at 10:19 AM ^

I was thinking the same thing.  In the worst bracket I ever compiled in my life, I think I had 70%+ right in the first round.  Now, if the model promises 65% accuracy across the board, then that is more impressive because it means they correctly pick teams that will make long runs even as upsets.  But yeah, 2/3 right of the first round means they still trail most receptionists in the office pools across America.

jtmc33

March 15th, 2011 at 9:59 AM ^

It is understood that some point in time computers will evolve to develop human emotion and social-situational processing.

That time has come.... Computers Lie

CRex

March 15th, 2011 at 10:49 AM ^

We're hot right now but I'm not sure that we make it out of regions.  We catch T as they're slumping and maybe a few more wins, but then another hot team with senior talent comes along and beats us.  I'm hoping we go all the way but I wouldn't bet much on it.

 

As for Sparty, if they play like they did against PSU they might as well save themselves the trip.  They should have handled PSU easily but they could not sink shots to save their life.

ijohnb

March 15th, 2011 at 12:02 PM ^

I have Computers going out first round to little hand-held devices that can do everything that computers can and let you take pictures and talk on the phone.