No way he will be anywhere someone can cause him harm on Saturday, if the University hasn't come to their senses and fired him by then
no, YOU'RE off topic
No way he will be anywhere someone can cause him harm on Saturday, if the University hasn't come to their senses and fired him by then
My hope is that the BoT fired the President and Paterno, figuring the rest of the fish could be fired by the interim President. So I want to see the interim President terminate McQueary today or tomorrow.
in the booth, not on the sidelines, and I assume there will be extra security up there.
...that the "pimping" allegations aren't true. It's too disgusting to even think about.
1) Have there been any more stories about the prosecutor who just disappeared a few years ago? That to me is just a weird facet of this entire story.
2) What bugs me about the way the media handled this, is how it wasn't really a "story" until after the weeks football games were over. At least that is how it felt to me.
It started on Saturday where ESPN just referred to it as "sexual assault of young men". Which, not being familiar with anything surrounding Sandusky, my friends and I all assumed it was college guys or at worst high school recruits, which is bad but not as what it turned out to be. Did ESPN not know? Or, were they tempering it for some reason or another?
And granted, I was on the road most of Sunday but there was hardly any mention of it on the radio. And even Monday there wasn't a lot. Then Tuesday it blew up.
Am I the only one who feels that way?
And clearly, the way its being discussed after the fact where its all about Joe Paterno's f'ing legacy is disgusting. The people who rioted last night give me little faith for the next batch of college graduates and their ability to put things in proper perspective.
And btw, Buckeye or not, Kirk Herbstreit's comments last night were dead on, on all fronts.
How about.....it wasn't really a story or released until Joe Paterno got his 409th win, passing Eddie Robinson?
I think people should stop calling Paterno "the winningest coach in major college football" and instead recognize John Gagliardi of St. John's University in Minnesota, who has 459 wins, as the winningest coach in college football history, full stop.
It became a story when the grand jury handed down the indictment. Up to that point it was just a rumor, and one that was apparently easy to dismiss (as pointed out upthread, that's what happened on this board as well).
Or are you suggesting that the prosecutor and/or presiding judge arranged the schedule so the indictment wouldn't come down until Joe got his 409? I suppose that's not inconceivable.
That seems a little sensationalistic to me. He was at his home, where else is he going to go? He would have to be retarded to step foot on that school property right now.
Now, the fact that his home is so close to an elementary school in the first place seems to be more than a little suspicious at this point. I think it's safe to assume that he won't be allowed anywhere near any kids for the rest of his life non-jail life, though.
Brooks should be ignored (always). He has no idea what the hell he's talking about. He was apparently just making shit up on Versus, because he's clueless.
EDIT: In a segment they could have been talking to Spencer Hall, too! Sad.
Click here if anyone wants to donate to the charity that Black Shoe Diaries has latched onto relating to victims of molestation:
Urgh. Scroll down a bit and look for the exchange between skarocksoi and wolv1984. Bad trolling Michigan fan, bad fan!
(Although the guy joking about theft did kind of open himself up for that one)
Per the NY Times, the worst condemnation of all is that the President of PSU, Graham Spanier, is a trained therapist with a PhD in Sociology! They had a trained, expert professional at the very top of the Administration who knew better than most the proper procedure to follow and that pedophiles are difficult, if not to impossible, to rehabilitate.
goes even further, in an article entitled:
Penn State's Dangerous Culture of Silence at the Top
Former university president Graham Spanier, not Joe Paterno, deserves the majority of the blame for covering up the child-molestation allegations
This is referring to something that I find to be one of the most important secondary points of the story, and one that everybody in the media seems to be ignoring: the reason that everybody kept quiet.
When the House of Representatives was investigating the Nixon White House's reaction to the Watergate break-in, Nixon staffer Jeb Magruder was asked "When was it decided that there would be a cover-up?" The answer: "We never considered that there wouldn't be a cover-up."
So here are the top 3 people in the University's athletic governance structure--the President, the AD, the football coach--all deciding, either independently or collectively, to try to keep this from getting out. You can't say that the cover-up is as bad as the original crime, but you can certainly say that the cover-up allowed more children to be abused, and that the people covering for Sandusky would of course have known that was likely to be the result. They were more concerned about their own reputations than they were about these kids.
As far as McQueary is concerned, I almost wonder if he was ordered not to go to the cops. Of course, he should have ignored that order if he was given it, but I do wonder what kind of pressures he was facing from above.
Just saw a report that Nebraska's AD is concerned for the Nebraska players' safety in Happy Valley this weekend. Something I never even considered. Is anyone else thinking that this game should not happen (even though it probably has to happen because of scheduling, etc.)? Can you imagine what will happen in and out of the stadium if Nebraska rolls in and smokes PSU?
This whole game screams "neutral site". Move it to one of the pro stadiums in Philly or Pitt and take the hit on ticket refunds if you must. Neb travels really well and shit could easily go nuclear on Saturday.
Indiana has a bye this week; play the game there.
that most of the victims were young black kids.
We'll see if that angle gets tied in as a cause for the lack of action by the Penn State officials.
i i have not seen nor heard this anywhere. care to elaborate on your source?
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but holy crap
"[Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar] disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.
Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.
This is getting creepier and creepier.
Yesterday, I was having a conversation with a friend on wether or not JOPA should retire. We began discussing the whole of the situation and a question came up - It seems the PSU insiders were protecting Sandusky - why? Why wouldn't you just let the creep reap what he had sewn? I mentioned that one possibility was he was using his charity to provide boys for people of power and influence. This was before I knew of the most recent updates alleging exactly that. Look up the Franklin child prostitution ring. I fear this story isn't over and in time it will lead to a very cold dark pit of hell.
Wikipedia says the Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were false.
Two grand juries ruled the allegations to be false and two purported victims were indicted for perjury, ...
Perhaps it was a hoax or perhaps the allegations were so damning that the system could not let them go forward. Remember, the cops at PSU closed their case against Sandusky in 98/99. The ADA went missing in 2005. His laptop was found months later without the hard drive.
I wouldn't be so quick to write it off as a hoax, also the media coverage and technology were a lot less sophisticated then, I wouldn't be surprised if some damning emails and/or pictures surface in this case at some point.
I would guess there will be no scenario where any of the current PSU staff is rehired after this season. The BOT and new AD will most likely want to start with a clean slate. I can understand this. Given that a coaching staff is a very close knit group, it's hard to believe that the rest of them (other than Paterno and McQueary) were not aware to some degree of Sandusky's depravity. They (rest of the assistant coaches) may all be completely innocent. But the BOT investigation must determine whether any of them was involved in the cover up. Either way, I think the process of purging the program of this scandal will involve a totally new football staff. Tom Bradley will be interviewed for the job, but it will be as a courtesy given his years of service to the school.
Would anyone else like to prove themselves reprehensible human beings out of this mess? Oh wait, Bret Bielema, you have something to say?
"Guess it's a good time to be a Badger fan."
Was giving graduation speeches as late as 2007. Disgusting. Imagine how it would feel to his victim and seeing that jackass get feted.
An interesting perspective. Good to keep in mind:
I'm going to be interested to see the atmosphere of Beaver Stadium on Saturday. I really hope these students wrap their heads around Joe's wrongdoing and realize the BoT had no other option.
I'm guessing the students are in denial about what Paterno did (or didn't do) and don't want to believe what happened, which probably created the outcry we saw last night.
Color me amazed he is actually going out in public these days. I don't even mean as motivated by shame, but just for sake of self-preservation, you'd think he'd be deep in a bunker.
Anyone who did what he (allegedly) did probably doesn't have a really good grasp on reality the way the rest of us do. You would have to create such a web of lies that you tell yourself in order to perpetuate the kind of horrid things you're compelled to do and still function in normal society with everyone else. I can't even imagine the psychological tap dance he had to do on a daily basis to be a functioning member of a family, a husband, and a father.
In a news story from August 2005, 3 Penn State football players were suspended for making harrassing phone calls to "a retired member of the Penn State football family."
This is essentially nothing, but I have been wondering how much of a secret this actually was. I think it will soon be clear that Sandusky's actions were common knowledge among the football team and athletic staff.
As of 2:45 EDT, I have yet to hear if Tim Curley has been fired by Penn State University. We know McQueary is still a coach at Penn State. Both men failed, much like Joe Paterno to notify the police. Curley has been criminally charged for perjury and his failure to notify the police - something he had both a moral and legal responsibility to do.
Last night I watched one of the worst press conferences imaginable. Penn State had an obligation to do the MORAL thing that I keep hearing about. That would have been to fire the President (they did), fire Joe Paterno (they did), fire Curley (they didn't address it), and also then put in motion a plan to have the entire board step down since they are responsible for the hiring and continued employment for those directing the university.
They had a chance to explain clearly why these firing occurred - for Spanier, his responsiblity as a President and the failure of his subordiantes, for Paterno for neither contacting police or following up - the moral thing to do, for Curley for not only failing to act morally, but apparently breaking the law, and finally for McQuearry for doing the same, or not doing as much as needed, like Paterno. They could have sent a strong message that this is unacceptable. Instead they just tried to deflect attention from the situation by tossing out two bodies to the media, the most visible people, while keeping the biggest offender on staff.
When asked if they'd pay the legal fees for Curley, they declined comment. They damn will. In fact, that liar will twist in the wind and do whatever PSU wants. Don't be surprised if he lies up and down to both save his arse and make Paterno and Spanier look like total liars. In fact, between Curley and McQueary, they can both paint Paterno as the real villian and save their behinds.
Penn State had an opportunity to make a very strong statement by all taking responsibility, not just putting it on an 84 year old man who made a horrible, damning mistake. They failed to do the MORAL thing.
Curley is basically fired unless something spectacular happens (and it won't). The fact that he remains officially on administrative leave for a while is not a big deal.
Curley is already lawyered up and the attorneys may be driving some of the time table.
Not to worry, he is GONE!
Yeah, you fire Curley after he is convicted of prejury. Then you can hold a press conference, call him a scumbag, announce he gets no benefits, and he has no legal recourse to go after you.
If you unload on him prior to his conviction, you might end up eating a wrongful termination lawsuit. Many lawyers be good at scummy moves.
He's getting the Drew Sharp treatment now:
"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing"
This quote is variously attributed to Edmund Burke or Tolstoy but sums up the situation.
1. What is charged in Happy Valley in the Penn State locker room and elsewhere on campus was evil, not bad, not a violation of some NCAA rule, but evil.
2. Joe Paterno began his career aiming to do good and arguably did a lot of good.
3. But when he came up against evil, he didn't act the way we all hoped he would - and fight to protect that one particular kid and ultimately other kids from this monstrosity which lived in his own professional house.
As many noted, Paterno isn't the evil party here. But he isn't the innocent bystander many PSU students and others would like to cling to. People can do good and people can also make mistakes. Unfortunately in this case, Coach Paterno could have and should have done much more and didn't. During a long career filled with many good deeds, he made one very bad horrific mistake.
We won't see the end of this for a long time - questions about McCreary's duty and obligations, questions about what the Board of Trustees knew in the past, questions about how the local police handled things.
McQueary will be in the box on Sat, not on the sideline. Per ESPN. Not that it's really that different.
Ehh forget it, what I was going to relate has already been covered downthread.
I feel like I'm watching some disturbing, dark movie that I wish would be over soon.
and Paterno got fired. But....
My heart hurts when I think about what happened at PSU. My heart feels like it did when the world trade center was attacked. I am once again, disappointed in my fellow man!
Paterno and McQueary had an opportunity to be heroes when they learned what they did. Instead they buried their heads in the sand and enabled this problem to endure.
Joe Pa = fail
McQueary = fail
and Paterno, Curley et al agrred to coverup the crimes in exchange for Sandusky retirement, Paterno, Curley & Co. will all go down for obstructing justice and being accomplices to a crime. Iff all that turns out to be true, Paterno is the worst kind of scum and he makes Tressel, Kiffin, Carroll and others like him look saints.
If the speculation about pimping are also true, the University will suffer so much financially and reputation-wise it might not recover and could see a boot from the Big-10.
All I can say is WOW!
Tom VH got a hold of a PSU recruiting letter sent out by McQueary, likely in wake of either the OSU or UM investigations...
Even n the absolute worst case scenario: defensive coordinator in prison for felony sex abuse, athletic director, president and head coach all up on felony obstruction of justice charges--they still won't have been investigated for violating any NCAA regulations.