Comprehensive Rant Thread

Submitted by JimBobTressel on

Let us cope.

My method? Drugs.

[ED:BISB- Have at it, but please don't start your own posts. May this be the only rant thread.  See some of you on TWIS]

 

[JBT edit: Mods just ninjaed my thread!!!]

maznbluwolverine

November 5th, 2011 at 4:38 PM ^

" I have a complaint, not riding Fitz in the second half"-- That's Borges call.  "I'd like to see more throws on first down"-- that's Borges call.  "Denard misses all the deep throws"-- That's because he can't throw it long, again Borges call.  And you can'tsee why people don't like Borges play calling?

ND Sux

November 5th, 2011 at 5:47 PM ^

come with the benefit of hindsight.  Often times when Denard overthrows the long ball, he has guys open underneath.  I said 'more Fitz 2nd quarter, not 2nd half.  We had gotten too far behind in Q4. 

If Denard runs on the last series and doesn't get to the EZ, game over.  I think that's the source of most of the "Fire Borges" comments. 

Bobby Boucher

November 5th, 2011 at 4:29 PM ^

Borges can't call plays, refs refuse to call penalties for Mich, where were the RBs today, dropped passes, does this mean that a loss to Illini next week is automatic b/c they seem to be a real shitty team?  Will it be like today where a shitty team plays their best game all year against us?  At least the D played well.  Who would've thought that the defense would be the most exciting thing to watch this year?

go16blue

November 5th, 2011 at 4:29 PM ^

Running now, hanging out with friends later. I'll be fine.

We would fucking lose to Iowa, though. Jesus. Lets look back on this in 5 years and laugh as a RS Sophmore Shane Morris leads a National Title contender with a talented, experienced defense. The future is bright, we just have to take our medicine for now. 8-4 is probable, 9-3 possible, and 10-2 a glimpse, but existant. This offense is hot and cold - theres no way it will be cold for the rest of the year. Go Blue.

twizzle12

November 5th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

I'm pissed at the people who damaged the rich rod era...we will waste two yrs of the most athletic qb in the country because of it!! This team would be 9-0 easy with rick rod and a d coordinator not named GERG!!!

twizzle12

November 5th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

I'm pissed at the people who damaged the rich rod era...we will waste two yrs of the most athletic qb in the country because of it!! This team would be 9-0 easy with rick rod and a d coordinator not named GERG!!!

twizzle12

November 5th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

I'm pissed at the people who damaged the rich rod era...we will waste two yrs of the most athletic qb in the country because of it!! This team would be 9-0 easy with rick rod and a d coordinator not named GERG!!!

JBE

November 5th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^

Are you pissed at the people who damaged the Rich Rod era?  Will Michigan waste two years of the most athletic QB in the country because of it?!!  Could this team be 9-0 easy with Rich Rod and a D coordinator not named Gerg?!!!

ken725

November 5th, 2011 at 4:46 PM ^

I really want Heiko to ask Borges why he keeps doing the stupid rotation thing because it clearly doesn't work.  On top of it being ineffective, it does not allow to get in rhythm.  

jmblue

November 5th, 2011 at 4:52 PM ^

I hate to pile on the kid after he was raped by Iowa defenders all day but man, there is some weird juju associated with this team everytime Roundtree gets tackled from behind inside the opposing five-yard line.  2009 Illinois, 2010 Indiana, 2011 Iowa.  (At least we've used it up against all the "I" schools now.)

Yeoman

November 5th, 2011 at 4:55 PM ^

Forget the coaches and players and refs...I blame the guy that started a thread on video games an hour before kickoff. That kind of lack of focus and discipline in the fan base is bound to take its toll.

UMCoconut

November 5th, 2011 at 5:01 PM ^

But it's so hard to figure out who to blame.  On those last four plays, there was 1 TD (that was a good play call, bad throw, probably a bad ref call), one dropped TD, one PI...I mean, hard to blame Borges for that.  ONly thing I didn't approve of was calling that timeout right away.  Would be nice to have the threat of Denard running it or rolling out. 

We did play like kaka all day though, and it's always tough to figure out how much of that is bad playcalling vs. execution vs. luck.  I think there is blame to go around.

At the end of the day, all that matters is that I certainly felt we were the better team and we found a way to lose...that's the most frsutrating part.

 

AMazinBlue

November 5th, 2011 at 5:02 PM ^

worse off with no chance the rest of the way.  You people that think RR's offense was so great, explain how we got dominated by every decent defense we played the second half of each of the last three seasons.

RR and his recruiting these small players that cannot tackle or break a tackle and cannot hit an open receiver are the problem.  Mattison and his staff is what is keeping this team competitive against tougher competition.   The Olineman are big enough the backs and receivers are too small and Denard unfortuantely can't hit water falling out of a boat.

RR may be a great offensive mind, but that shit won't work against bigger, stronger defenses like OSU, Nebraska, Iowa and MSU.

When Posey gets back on OSU against us, it could be a long day if Denard can't start hitting open receivers.  Our Oline is not opening holes for the backs and Denard doesn't seem to want to run much and he's the fastest guy we have.

Borges will have to call a perfect game the next three weeks or this season will go south in a hurry.  Our defense is good, but not good enough to win with 17-20 points.

HeismanPose

November 5th, 2011 at 5:27 PM ^

Who told you we "got dominated by every decent defense we played the second half of each of the last three seasons"?

Last year, we put up 377 yards against MSU, 522 against Iowa, 423 against Penn St. 442 against Wisconsin, and 351 against OSU. Those were either seaon highs, or very close to them, for all of those teams. We had the best offense in the Big Ten last year, and one of the best in Big Ten history. We lost because of defense and turnovers.  

trueblueintexas

November 5th, 2011 at 5:10 PM ^

How many more "records" can Michigan break before they get back to being a good program?  Today's was the first time Iowa has defeated Michigan three times in a row. I hate seeing Michigan's history of dominance being obliterated.  Frustration!!!

marlon

November 5th, 2011 at 5:16 PM ^

Enough of this "Michigan got outplayed" bullshit.  Michigan played more than well enough to win.  Look at the fucking scoreboard: this wasn't a blowout, and it wasn't one of those games that's only close because of flukey turnovers (ala Notre Dame).  Michigan's defense stopped Iowa when called upon to do so, and the offense moved the ball deep into the red zone, where two times it was denied a significant scoring opportunity by the referees' failure to whistle blatant pass interference by the Iowa secondary.  That was the difference in this game: the fucking referees.  Make the right call in the first half, and it's first-and-goal for Michigan inside the five instead of an Iowa interception.  Make the right call in the second half, and it's almost certainly a Roy Roundtree touchdown catch with no time remaining.

MGoStrength

November 5th, 2011 at 5:21 PM ^

Man, it's frustrating to watch us play sometimes.  I take that back, every time for the last 4 years.  Sheesh, we just wanna believe we are improving, and at times it looks like we are, but at other times we look worse than last year.  I just don't get way we can't take big steps forward in some areas.  We can't keep turning over the ball 2-3 times every game.  And, why aren't we operating out of the shotgun more?  When we take D-Rob out as a run option, like he is under center, we become much easier to defend.  And, leave the kid in the game.  Taking him out is ruining any sort of offensive rythm.  We couldn't move the ball until the last 8 minutes of the game when we finally decided to play out of shotgun.  And, how many f'in times are we gonna throw picks?  Are the coaches asking Denard to stay in the pocket?  If his primary guy is covered, he needs to run!  I love this kid, but man it's frustrating.  We have a very real chance of losing our last 4 games in a row.  It would sure be nice to finish strong for once, but I don't see that happening.  Sorry to be a downer.  I don't mean any of it.  We are improving, we are recruiting well, we have come a long way on defense, and signs are there that we will be back soon.  I just want to the day to be here already and stop having to say we will be there in 3 more years.

dcmaizeandblue

November 5th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^

We've looked better than last year every game so far as I'm concerned.  The defense is why this is true we're giving half the points we did last year and that has been a ridiculous improvement.  

maznbluwolverine

November 5th, 2011 at 6:11 PM ^

Brian Griese comes to mind when talking about a qb without a very strong arm (like Denard).  But the offesive co-ordinator used a variety of short passes (screens, quick slants, 8-10 yard down and outs, using the TE, ect.) that made Griese a very efficient qb.  Borges uses hardly any of this which would help Denard immensely.  Denard just doesn'thave the strength or accuracy to do anything else.

ForeverVoyaging

November 5th, 2011 at 6:20 PM ^

Let's see:

Why the hell couldn't RR recruit a single halfway competent quarterback? Denard is bad, and Gardner is so much worse it's not even funny. I think I would trade Denard for any one of Braxton Miller, Cousins, Persa, Coulter, Vandenberg, or Scheelhaase right now, and Marquis Grey is a better QB than Gardner.

Why is everyone on Denard's nuts all the time? The guy can't make throws most high school QBs could make, and after watching him for 3 years I've come to the conclusion that he's just too dumb to go through his reads like any normal quarterback. He is THE REASON why every game we play against decent to good competition seems to follow the same script. When you've changed the coaching staff and playing style completely and yet still lose games in exactly the same way, that's probably a sign that the thing that stayed the same is the problem. Mark my words: Michigan will miss a bowl game next year, and most of that blame will rest on the fact that the QB play is execrable.

Borges: Why are you so bad at your job?

Defense: Why is our D-line so puny? Why can't our linebackers tackle?

bryemye

November 5th, 2011 at 6:28 PM ^

The Denard Jet seemed like it was pretty awful today. In general it seems like our offense should have been able to get a good rhythm but was never able to do so and part of that has to fall on Borges. We had some big drops which really hurt us in the first half too.

The defense didn't play wonderfully. Some of the missed gaps were very costly. But by and large they were fine.

Gibbons hit a field goal. That was cool.

Denard's passing today was off on the deep ball and that hurt. That said: STOP CALLING SO MUCH OF THAT SHIT.

Also, Denard threw a checkdown today and it was exciting.

I don't know what to do with myself.

GoBluePhil

November 5th, 2011 at 6:39 PM ^

game to game depending on the officiating crew. Then the rules change from between the 20's and then inside the 10 yard line, then again in the end zone oh and least we forget about the last play of the game in the end zone. How many times do you here announcers state "he was looking for a call but he's not going to get it in this situation". When did pass interference become a situational call? Call it the same way, every play, both ways, both teams. Players know they can rape a receiver in the end zone and refs are not or rarely going to call pass interference. It sucks the way refs call games.

GoBlueFutball

November 5th, 2011 at 7:27 PM ^

Apparently I'm wrong because I haven't seen it anywhere else, but if you put the ball on the ground while still controlling it, aren't you down?  That's what I saw on the fumble when Denard was trying to get away from the defender in the first half, which would have made it fourth down rather than Iowa ball.  Am I wrong about the rule, or did the ball come out first? 

goblufucabuc

November 5th, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^

What in da hell???? Y is D rob not rolled out with a pass run option??? Y is D Gardner even in the game????? Y is Hemmingway droping those passes, that my 8 yr old son can catch??Y is JT Floyd giving McNutt(Iowa's record breaking)reciever a 10 yrd cushion??? Y did Hoke allow this team to go on the road and again and start out  flat?? I mean as a coach, your first priority is to not have the same mental out come u had the last time u went on the road(Mich St).....next year the QB postion is wide open!!!! dont get me wrong D Rob is the reason we're 7-2 but dam!!! he's not a threat to beat u wit his arm so y force him to beat other teams with his weakness and not his strength????? Borges your starting to make me feel like u need to convey some of your calls wit the head coach, cause on the last play, Hoke doesnt call for a pass...Hoke's gonna roll D Rob and we win in a thriller!!!

Vllnt

November 5th, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^

Why no run/pass option plays?  Why not let Denard sprint to the pylon?  I don't understand the play calling.  It's like Borges is too fancy some times. 

It also seems that Denard never scrambles from the pocket until it's way too late.

AMazinBlue

November 6th, 2011 at 1:31 AM ^

RR's players AT MICHIGAN cannot compete against the better teams in the BIG TEN!  I don't give a shit what WVU did in a bowl game several years ago.  The point is, all these RR apologists keep talking  like RR would be 9-0 this year or would have won the game today.  My point is there is NO evidence that RR's offenses at Michigan have ever beaten a top team in this conference.  The good teams shut down Denard's runs every game and we have to rell on his horrible passing skills.  Denard is a great athlete and a great person, but he cannot pass the ball effectively.  If he is going to play QB then the zone read is the only way to make him effective.

The problem is, we don't have the type of players needed to compete with the B1G best teams.  These smaller "lean" guys cannot compete in the B1G.  There is no evidence to support the idea that they can.  Michigan has not beaten one single team with a good defense in four years.

Call me negative, but this team will win one more game at best in the next three and it's entirely possible they don't win any of them.  And I'll tell you right now, that game in Dallas next year will be embarassing if this offense doesn't learn how to sustain a drive.  Alabama is light years ahead of anything Michigan can do at this point.

6-foot 190lb QBs cannot be successful over the long haul in the B1G.  They get beat up too much. 

I hate what the last four years has done to this program.  It will take three more to get competitive again against the best in this conference.  If you think this team is truly competitive against the best in this conferecne you are sadly mistaken.