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College makes you slower- comparing HS vs NFL Combine 40 times

This article is great and adds more validation to how many "Fakes out of Five" that are associated to a HS 40 time. In all fairness, some of these guys were likely significantly bulked up based on needs of their position or simply filling out their frames with required mass to be a college player. However, the skill position players don't have that same excuse.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combi...

 

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March 1st, 2013 at 12:56 PM | Hand vs laser times. (Score:5 Normal)
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Hand vs laser times.

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March 1st, 2013 at 12:57 PM | I want laser hands  (Score:5 Normal)
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I want laser hands 

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March 1st, 2013 at 2:03 PM | The flaming lips might have a used pair you can buy. (Score:5 Normal)
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March 1st, 2013 at 4:44 PM | Manos: Hands of Fate (Score:3 Normal)
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Manos: Hands of Fate

Your friendly neighborhood contrarian.

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March 1st, 2013 at 4:46 PM | Those are freaking awesome (Score:3 Normal)
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That would have been interesting to see live.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:16 PM | That might be a small part, but not much (Score:1)
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Looking at the combine, laser timing seems to add from .05 to .15 second to 40 times on average, compared to hand timing.  Certianly nothing like the half-second differential some of these guys showed.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:31 PM | Depends on whose hand is (Score:4 Normal)
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Depends on whose hand is doing the timing.  

Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.

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March 1st, 2013 at 12:58 PM | This should be required (Score:5 Normal)
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This should be required reading for everyone who reads this blog.  I grew tired of all the people claiming that Derrick Green ran in the 4.3s because some recruiting website said so.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:14 PM | what if we don't know how to (Score:5 Normal)
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what if we don't know how to read? Will you read it to us, like you used to do? 

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:35 PM | I will read it to you, but (Score:5 Normal)
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I will read it to you, but only to you.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:14 PM | Derrick Green would be lucky (Score:5 Normal)
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Derrick Green would be lucky to run a 4.5

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:21 PM | If Derrick Green runs a legit (Score:5 Normal)
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If Derrick Green runs a legit 4.5 at 220 lbs, I would be ecstatic.  That would give him a Speed Score (a metric developed by Football Outsiders) of 107.3, which compares favorably to some of the top NFL RB prospects.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8983630/2013-nfl-combine-metri...

Basically, Speed Score is a measure of how fast a RB is for his size (Brandon Jacobs running a 4.5 is more impressive than Jacquizz Rodgers running a 4.5) and has been a pretty good predictor of future RB success.  100 is average, and higher scores are better (the record is 125).

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March 1st, 2013 at 3:55 PM | Lucky to run a 4.5? Now, I (Score:1)
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Lucky to run a 4.5? Now, I understand he certainly doesn't run a 4.3 at 220 pounds. But to say he'd be lucky to get a 4.5? It's certainly not unthinkable. Le'Veon Bell just clocked a 4.6 OFFICIAL time at the combine at 225 pounds. So I don't think it's unheard of that Derrick Green could run a 4.5. You know there is a reason he is one of only a few guys to be named the #1 running back by both of the big recruiting services.

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March 1st, 2013 at 7:05 PM | I did some digging and even (Score:1)
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I did some digging and even though I thought Green was invited to The Opening, his name does not appear in any of the databases from this past year's Nike Combine results. 

I did find an interview from his junior year, however, where he ran an electronic 4.58 40. How much that changed his senior year, who knows.

 

http://espn.go.com/high-school/football/video/clip?id=6598882

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:16 PM | Oh great, now Magnus is now (Score:3 Normal)
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Oh great, now Magnus is now claiming he's smarter than all the recruiting websites... getting a big head again.

Mr. Rager: Do you have any comments?

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:24 PM | Herm developing your game (Score:5 Normal)
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Herm, you're developing your game with the /s.  Mucho gusto.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:37 PM | Ugh. Too many of these (Score:5 Normal)
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Ugh. Too many of these threads turn into the I Hate Magnus vs. Magnus Gives Free Info Shut the Hell Up If You Don't Like It variety.

How 'bout them Lions, eh?

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:43 PM | What I'm waiting for (Score:5 Normal)
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Is the Magnus " Takes all of his clothes off thread and runs throughout the neighborhood" thread. That one will be good 

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:50 PM | I'll hold out for the "Magnus (Score:5 Normal)
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I'll hold out for the "Magnus caught jackin' it in San Diego" posbang thread.

Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.

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March 1st, 2013 at 2:48 PM | If you're going to get caught (Score:5 Normal)
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If you're going to get caught jacking it, I can't think of a better place.  Best Mexican food in the US.  A burrito in one hand, your burrito in the other and a cool ocean breeze.  Probably worth getting caught.

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March 1st, 2013 at 2:58 PM | This (Score:4 Normal)
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This almost made me snort my afternoon coffee.  I'm glad I didn't because then I probably would have started crying and that would have sucked.  Thanks for the nearly painful laugh!

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March 1st, 2013 at 3:26 PM | All of You (Score:3 Normal)
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Go to your rooms right now. I'm shocked. what kind of blog has this become? don't come out until you are able to behave yourself. and no burrito tossing in your rooms, either.

Quiverfull

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March 1st, 2013 at 4:51 PM | For some reason that story (Score:1 Overrated)
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For some reason that story never turned into a thread.

But it did get my disheveled photograph on the local news.

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:04 PM | I always knew that avatar wasn't really your picture. (Score:2)
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March 1st, 2013 at 11:39 PM | The song from that scene (Score:2 Normal)
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The song from that scene still gets stuck in my head all the time. It seems like weekly.

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March 1st, 2013 at 2:48 PM | You bring it on yourself by (Score:4 Normal)
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You bring it on yourself by being knowledgeable, having an opinion, making sense, and being correct a lot.

The nerve.

 

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March 1st, 2013 at 4:51 PM | I can't tell if the first (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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I can't tell if the first sentence is 100% sincere.  If so, wow.  What is it like gagging on the internet dick of a stranger?  

"to make a complete evaluation off video w/o seeing guys in-person - I don't believe that at all." - Josh Helmholdt

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March 1st, 2013 at 4:52 PM | Look who's trolling again... (Score:4 Normal)
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Look who's trolling again...

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:03 PM | Not yet....slow down. (Score:4 Normal)
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I didn't get to pick you in the MGoGettingBanned pool.

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:08 PM | No way, I have dibs.  I'll (Score:4 Normal)
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No way, I have dibs.  I'll probably feel the best when he gets banned.  Well, me or Magnus.  

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March 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 AM | I'm sorry (Score:2)
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But he's off the board.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/coach-k-mason-plumlee-talk-court-storming-sa...

There's a lot of talent still out there though. It's a deep draft.

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March 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 AM | Anything that official needs (Score:3 Normal)
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Anything that official needs to be in a thread more people care about. Now I'm upset.

No I'm not. As long as he's gone, we're all winners, really.

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March 2nd, 2013 at 9:40 AM | Somebody else will probably (Score:3 Normal)
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Somebody else will probably pick up the slack when Mr. Rager gets banned.

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March 2nd, 2013 at 7:17 PM | Somebody else? (Score:2)
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It'll probably just be him under another identity.

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March 4th, 2013 at 10:04 AM | Just to Confirm (Score:4 Normal)
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Yeah, I was being 100% sincere.  Some of us appreciate Magnus' evaluations on recruits and aren't swayed by your endless ad hominem attacks against him and those who like his posts.  Grow up.

 

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:23 PM | Is this (Score:0 Trolling)
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How many times can I put "Magnus" in my own posts Friday?? Shouldn't you be spending more time posting links to your blog and trolling for pictures of young women all while breaking down youtube footage?

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March 1st, 2013 at 4:50 PM | Magnus ran a 4.5 in high (Score:-1 Trolling)
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Magnus ran a 4.5 in high school but has since bulked up and now runs a 6.1.  

"to make a complete evaluation off video w/o seeing guys in-person - I don't believe that at all." - Josh Helmholdt

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:01 PM | You should join Magnus (Score:5 Normal)
Magnus
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Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27477

You should join Magnus Anonymous and learn how to get over me.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: May 20

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:05 PM | I love you (Score:1 Normal)
Mr. Rager
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Joined: 11/16/2011
MGoPoints: 761

I love you

"to make a complete evaluation off video w/o seeing guys in-person - I don't believe that at all." - Josh Helmholdt

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March 1st, 2013 at 5:06 PM | Your type of love is (Score:5 Normal)
Magnus
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Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27477

Your type of love is suffocating.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: May 20

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:20 PM | Tom VH re-tweeted this some time back. (Score:5 Normal)
LB
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Joined: 09/26/2009
MGoPoints: 5078

One of the more interesting stats I think I have seen. If those numbers are correct, a cocked eyebrow should generally be the first reaction to a reported speed that is below 4.5.

Good stat for fans RT @KippLAdams Out of 16639 recruits at 2012 Nike SPARQ Combines, only 19 ran a electronically-timed sub 4.50 forty TomVH

May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift

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March 1st, 2013 at 12:58 PM | Or sharks (Score:5 Normal)
boliver46
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Joined: 09/14/2012
MGoPoints: 122

with laser beams....

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March 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 AM | I asked for one thing! (Score:3 Normal)
Michigan Eaglet
Joined: 02/20/2013
MGoPoints: 414

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:26 PM | Only thing I care about (Score:5 Normal)
DCAlum
Joined: 01/30/2012
MGoPoints: 216

Denard got faster! 4.43 vs 4.48.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:32 PM | I'm not surprised (Score:5 Normal)
pdgoblue25
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Joined: 03/03/2010
MGoPoints: 2641

Back in high school I could throw a football a quarter mile.  If coach would have put me in we would have won state, no doubt in my mind.

Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:35 PM | Back in my day (Score:5 Normal)
Skiptoomylou22
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Joined: 11/29/2008
MGoPoints: 1302

I could toss a pigskin over that mountain

Bo' Money Bo' Problems

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:36 PM | Aren't most people slower at 21 than 17? (Score:1)
Mat
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Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 1506

Other than track athletes who work on those specific traits, I would expect most kids to be a little slower - particularly those that are packing on a lot of weight/muscle that doesn't contribute to speed.

..not that I dispute that 40 times are fake at the HS level, but that SPARQ data is more convincing than NFL combine data 4 years later.

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March 1st, 2013 at 1:37 PM | I've heard (Score:3 Normal)
quigley.blue
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Joined: 03/01/2010
MGoPoints: 240

I've heard from various random websites with no verifiable expertise that the physical peak for a male is somewhere around 25.

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March 1st, 2013 at 2:42 PM | Dammit. That would have been (Score:3 Normal)
Brown Bear
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Joined: 01/10/2011
MGoPoints: 2649

Dammit. That would have been good to know ten years ago.

I poop excellence
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March 1st, 2013 at 2:44 PM | All I know is that I felt (Score:5 Normal)
Elmer
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Joined: 04/22/2011
MGoPoints: 2115

All I know is that I felt bullet proof until I hit my late thirties.  Everything changed after that...and not for the better.

 

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