Top 3 stays the same, with IU #1, Duke #2, and UM #3. Syracuse slides up to #4 with OSU's loss to Duke. Surprised to see Pitt still outside the top 25 and even more surprised to see Kentucky at #19 in the Coaches Poll.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
The media loves Kentucky
Just curious, but where does
Just curious, but where does the Pitt love come from? Michigan is the only team with a heartbeat that they've played this year, and they lost. They needed OT to beat a bad Oakland (MI) team that lost by 27 to Tennessee.
For me, personally, its the
For me, personally, its the fact that their one loss was to the #3 team in the country by only 5 points, while Kentucky, Michigan State, and North Carolina have looked awful but are still in the top 20.
Well, its a matter of resume
Well, its a matter of resume vs how they look on the floor. Yeah, they haven't played great competition (Michigan aside), but I watched the game they played against us. They looked good. The thing is that most voters haven't had a chance to watch Pitt like we have. That, or Michigan, Pitt, Kstate, and NCstate are all desperately overrated.
This is home...
They play hard and are
They play hard and are skilled. I know they barely beat OU but I think OU is a solid mid-major. Michigan only beat Bradley by 8, but doesn't take away from the fact it was a quality win. Pitt will make a run this year. Dixon has that team play great defense and very physical.
Their kenpom rank is #11 and
Their kenpom rank is #11 and their sagarin rating is also #11, suggesting that they should at least be ranked in the top 25.
"media loves Kentucky
"media loves Kentucky basketball.". The AP doesn't have them ranked, the coaches do.
@2GuysFromWI
Let's refrain from using
Let's refrain from using "retarded" this way.
The media actually dropped
The media actually dropped them out of the poll, though, while the coaches chose to keep them in.
HAIL.
Yeah I know. I was speaking
Yeah I know. I was speaking in general. Wasn't going off just one poll from a specific week.
One loss Notre Dame hands
One loss Notre Dame hands Kentucky its third loss by 14 points. Kentucky is somehow six spots higher in the coaches poll. Absurd.
"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."
Oh coaches polls. About as
Oh coaches polls. About as accurate as a Michigan weatherman sometimes...
Northwestern having the highest average ranking at the end of this season in the football coaches poll? This? And I'm sure there are hundreds more cases.
Northwestern's football
Northwestern's football ranking is far more defensible than Kentucky's basketball ranking. Northwestern was really close to an undefeated season, blowing 4th quarter leads in each of its 3 losses. And to be honest, their loss to us was a total fluke. Of the other Big 10 teams, Nebraska was just ritually sacrificed to the god of butter, hair products, and o-linemen that Brett Bielma worships, Wisconsin has 5 losses, and we have 4 (and likely should have had 5).
Kentucky's just been flat out beat in all of their losses.
And to be honest, their
And to be honest, their loss to us was a total fluke
Giving up a 50-yard tipped pass is definitely fluky . . . but so is getting a very iffy 1st-down, thanks to a generous spot, right beforehand. We may not have needed a miracle if that call had gone the other way.
Regardless, my point was both
Regardless, my point was both Nebraska and Michigan beat Northwestern, but finished behind them despite Northwestern not beating any team that UM or Nebraska lost to to make up for it (only commonality was Penn State, who Nebraska beat but Northwestern lost to), but somehow coaches placed them higher
We actually had back to back
We actually had back to back fluky plays, though. Gallon's punt return that got the ball back to the 35 or whatever was fluky in that it required NU to totally botch a punting situation that normally results in the ball being at worst on the 20. I agree that the spot was close, though.
Speaking of Kentucky. I can't
Speaking of Kentucky. I can't believe how average Nerlens Noel looks in college, after looking like a one and done, top 5 NBA talent in HS. At this point Noel is a small upgrade over what Maceo Baston was at M. Noel needs at least 2 years of college and some extensive time in the weight room.
that just proves one thing
Unibrow >>>> High top fade
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I never thought he looked that great in HS
Thin and somewhat athletic player who could block shots. I don't know many 6'11" HSers that can't block shots. His offensive game was basically dunks and layups so I never understood all the hype. I'm not saying he's not good, but the best HS player in the country?
Re: the media loves
Re: the media loves Kentucky... Kentuckyis #19 in the coaches poll and unranked in the ap poll.
Just so were all on the same page here.
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There are very few class acts out there like Beilein. Many of these coaches are snakes and pat each other on the back. But that's with many closed knit group.
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Does anyone else think Duke
Does anyone else think Duke would be #1 if there weren't previous polls? Say, for instance, there were no rankings up until week 5, and everyone was filling out their first ballot for the season, would that many people really put Indiana over Duke? I know this isn't how polls work, and there is a general consensus that the #1 team doesn't move until they slip. Not saying you can't still make the case for Indiana, but I think if they weren't #1 to begin with, they wouldn't still be.
I mostly bring this up because I have always held the opinion that polls shouldn't start until meaningful games have been played. Roughly week five in both CFB and MBB.
EDIT: I am really only talking about the AP because the coaches don't really take it seriously anyway.
"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."
i'm personally all for the
i'm personally all for the B1G teams, and Indiana has absolutely dominated their opponents, (except getting taken to overtime by the Hoyas) while Duke has won by very close margins, but I'm surprised they're not #1. They beat the #2, #3, and #4 teams in just a few weeks. Even if they did it at home each time by just 2 baskets, that should count for something. It looks like there was basically no point to them scheduling those tough opponents.
"that's why you don't go to Ohio State, Lawrence"
I certainly want Indiana to
I certainly want Indiana to be #1 and I am not denying that they have a case for it, I was more or less asking, if today was the first day that AP voters casted a ballot, looking at everyone's resume prior to today, would Indiana have the more compelling case? I am certain some might think so, and I am not adamently saying that they don't, but thrashing an injured UNC team and an OT win over Georgetown isn't as impressive to me as beating Kentucky, Louisville, OSU and Minnesota.
/sorry for run on sentences
"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."
Hey a wins a win. Just ask
Hey a wins a win. Just ask notre dame.
"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.
-Craig Roh 10/29/2011
Seeing as how
Seeing as how CBB polls mean nothing, what really is the difference between #1 and #2 at this point.
@2GuysFromWI
I guess there isn't one, but
I guess there isn't one, but this is a thread to talk about them, so I was simply asking the question about what others thought.
"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."
The media loves Kentucky basketball. They will rank them at all costs. Pitt not being ranked is just retarded. That team would beat 90% of the SEC teams, 100% of the PAC and compete very well in the ACC and B1G.