Tennessee, Auburn, Oregon, Ole Miss.
Coaches visiting Derrick Green Tonight
I'd primarily be worried about Ole Miss and Oregon at this point.
Dumpster fire, dumpster fire, spread offense, dumpster fire.
Don't do your End Zone dance just yet. Some of those dumpster fires are walking around with wads of cash and hot recruiting hostesses.
I'm just sayin'.
Not to pretend I'm Ace/Tremendous/TomVH, but I believe it's down to Tennessee/Auburn/Ole Miss/Miami (YTM)/Oregon/Michigan. Tennessee/Auburn are coachless so the fact he is deciding soon may disqualify them.
Tennessee (coachless), Auburn (coachless), Oregon (not a good fit, and could be coachless), and Ole Miss.
The general consensus is that Michigan would be the best fit for him, but that something is holding him back.
Why is Oregon going to be coachless?
People think Kelly is NFL bound next year.
There are also rumors that if he were to jump ship, that Oregon would promote his OC to HC, per agreement of chip Kelly to stay for the extra year instead of jumping ship last year. Not sure if true, but at the least would indicate that the system would stay the same. Of course, HC leaving would present a great deal of uncertainty anyways.
Are you and he related?
lots of chip Kelly to the nfl rumors
I'm not sure any NFL team would risk running a spread offense
All you need is one that's willing to try it, and I don't think it's true that none would. It's hard to find success in the NFL, even with a regular coach, and coaching hires are really challenging. You have your choice of has-beens that have already proven they can lose somewhere else, up-and-coming coordinators with no head coaching experience, or college coaches. It's an inexact science obviously, and there's no reason that no one would take a chance with Kelly.
I know of a QB that is a senior in college that is fast enough to run the spread. I think his name is Denard. Yeah, Denard Robinson. Most say he's not big enough to be an NFL QB, but I think he'd be a better investment than Sanchez, Tebow, Matt Flynn or many others. Who's with me?
Yes, because with only moderate to midling success running the spread in college against teams with a pulse on defense makes him a great candidate to do so in the NFL. Love the kid as a person and as an athlete, but an NFL QB, no matter the system, he is not. An NFL player at another position, he most certainly can be.
Give him an O-Line and watch him run.
Michigan does not run the spread. When RR was here they did and Denard had great success. Its why he has a legit shot at being the most successful eunning qb of all time. Since Hoke has gotten here that is not the spread.
Um 7-5 was the best year RR and Denard put up together I wouldn't call that great success
Another one of those people who doesn't understand that there is more involved in football than a qb. You realize that denards best year with RR and having a 7-5 year might also be tied to...oh I dunno, a defense that got ran over by peewee teams?
Let's not forget it was also tied to an offense that couldn't score on even a respectable defense
if an NFL team ran a read-option spread with Denard Robinson at the helm.
While I am not confident that he would succeed, I would watch and savor every snap this kid gets in the NFL if he were to get a shot to be a QB.
With the right coach, I think it would work for a while. But Denard repeatedly got dinged up in college. He'd last about 5 games running a read-option spread in the NFL. I really don't think that's an exaggeration at all.
As much as a hate Tebow, If I was running an NFL spread offense I'd take him in a second over Denard.
I love Denard, and that's why I wish to never see him playing QB in the NFL. Those guys would destroy him physically in just one or two games.
He turned down an offer from Tampa last season, so there's one.
Washington is close to the spread right now, so is Carolina (less than Washington, but more than most nfl teams).
There's been lots of talk about sanctions possibly hitting Oregon and Chip making the jump to the NFL
Cleveland Browns fan here. LOTS of rumors floating around C-Town that Kelly will be the next coach once we rid ourselves of the NFL's version of Kirk Ferentz. Word has it that the new owner Haslam wants to make a splash with his first HC hire, not afraid to take risks, has the money, and doesnt want an NFL HC re-tread.
That sure sounds like Kelly to me.
NFL head coaching hires are often jokes. Like you mentioned, your only choices are out of work NFL guys who failed elsewhere or good coordinators who have little to no leadership/management experience of that magnitude. Kelly would be an interesting hire.
If Cleveland hire Kelly that just means he's 1-2 head coaching job from being awesome
The word is that he would prefer to play football in the South, which is why Ole Miss is in the conversation, but Michigan definately looks like the better place for him to showcase his talent.
Green, lets go Blue!
"Tennessee, Auburn, Oregon, Ole Miss"
I would like to think the list is really just Oregon and Ole Miss, given the tire fires that Tennessee and Auburn are right now.
Lot of talk about Oregon being coachless I.e. chip Kelly going pro... Lot of empty and hot seats in the NFL.
The Panthers would be a nice fit for Kelly
Or Philadelphia with Vick (if healthy). There's two right there he would fit in. I doubt he stays at Oregon.
I honestly think Saban is out after this year at alabama. Gonna give it another shot in the NFL. Maybe going to coach the Browns.
Wouldn't shock me. But it won't be Cleveland...if he goes anywhere, it'll be Dallas.
Zero rumors here in Cleveland on Saban. Kelly and even Meyer have been mentioned if we go into the college ranks but nothing on Saban at all.
Like you said - much better fit in all ways in Dallas.
I would be shocked if he left Alabama anytime soon. He has a huge paycheck and has made Alabama easily the best college program and no signs of slowing. He's already taken a shot at the NFL and failed and honestly a team would have to throw 4-5 million a year at saban to get him to move. The only teams dumb enough to do that would be Washington and the Cowboys probably
Vick will be 33/34 next season and only getting slower so not sure any coach would take that risk. Plus Reid and Vick's futures in Philly are linked so hard to believe that Vick stays if/when Reid gets the ax.
I would think the list is really MIchigan and Ole Miss, considering he's a pro style back who wants to run in a pro style system, and Oregon is not. plus we have 2 of the top OLIne classes back to back, and are in want of a feature back.
Fingers crossed! Go Blue Mr. Green!
Please. Please. Please. Come to Michigan.
Oregon is almost certainly going to be coachless and Miami you have to think finally be sanctioned before next season starts.
hears hoping to the best but not to freaking out if it doesn't work out!
I heard that too!
I think its awful interesting that a team like Oregon would recruit a player like Green.
Yet, from what I'm reading over at FishDuck, it seems that Kelly's is looking to mix power in with his spread. Half of what they run is just basic inside zone reads and outside zone reads, and many of those plays they've started to mix in power running schemes.
So perhaps it would be an interesting and intriguing fit for Green.....which leads me to my next point, I hope Kelly goes to the National Foot-baa League
They made it work with Blount.
and Jonathan Stewart
Any one have insight as to what goes on at an in-home visit? All I can picture is the coach calling the player's mom and dad "ma'am" and "sir." Maybe they'll watch the Michigan/NC State game?
from the blind side
SEC schools tend to bring a truckload of cash with them.
gift cards now.
I was going to add some comment about cash being harder to trace, but then I remembered we're talking about the NCAA.
Actually they just flash their championship rings and say "you have any idea how much one of these will go for on the street?"
It being exactly like those Toyota commercials. At least I hope it is...
Mostly just sitting down with the recruit, having dinner with him and his family. They talk about normal recruiting stuff (some small talk, why the coaches want him, where he would fit, etc) and it also gives the coaches a way to evaluate the recruit's character in a home environment, which can be important.
I read it somewhere else that Michigan is visiting Ty Isaac. I really like this. UM exploiting the fact Kiffin may be on the hot seat, and it also gives Michigan an additional RB option. Also gives Green something to think about -shit or get of the pot. Get either one of those guys would be a huge coup
I realize 4-5 star recruits can turn out to be busts but I believe we're lacking marquee skill players, which surprises me especially at the RB spot considering the O/L recruiting Michigan has done.
I don't watch a lot of film but which RB would you guys prefer in Michigan's future offensive scheme
We are recruiting a great o-line, but if players are watching how our olines and RB's are performing now it could have the reverse effect. They could either just look at how the RB's are doing and say "great, I could walk in there and start day one". or they could look at the blocking and say "I'm not sure these coaches know how to develop o-linemen. This line has 3 seniors and two juniors and they couldn't block to save their lives...I'm not running behind a line coached like that."
I don't know what goes through 17-18 year old kids mind's, but it certainly isn't unreasonable to expect that these thoughts might occur to them.
I completely agree. One of the most important factors for a recruit to consider is their position coach. Based upon our play this year, coaching on the offensive side of the ball has been less than impressive... from Borgess to Funk, etc.
Of course, you could spin this both ways... one could see this as a need for more talented players, and that those more talented players will get early playing time. Others could see it as a concern that their talents won't be developed to the fullest. I can't help but wonder if Dawson looked at the poor O-line play this year as a factor for bailing.
What runs through a 17-18 year old kids mind over an average minute each day:
59 minutes, 30 seconds == BOOBS!!!
29 seconds == Pizza Hut or Burger King?
1 second == Where do I want to go to college?
it would definately be smart on his part to come to michigan, it is definately the best fit for hime out of the schools he is considering.
(Sorry, I'm in full "a--hole mode" today and couldn't resist.)
Michigan is by far the best fit for him. He has a shot to make a huge impact right away. Ole Miss, Tennessee, Auburn, and Miami are too unstable as of right now.
I really have a hard time seeing Chip Kelly as an NFL coach. I think the Browns should wait to see if the rumors about Saban are true. I've been a secret Browns fan for a long time, at least as far back as watching Ernest Byner fumble away Marty Schottenheimer's chance at a Super Bowl.
I think it would be interesting to see if Kelly's philosophies can work in the NFL.
It's hard to believe that, given the whole high-speed spread concepts he runs, but for him it all comes down to O-line. He has stated (no link) that his offense, if he were to take it to the NFL, would include less QB runs (see how it was with Thomas at QB, ~ 3-5 designed QB runs a game). It's a type of offense that has already started making its way to the NFL, but is only really a slight change to keep it unique.
I think if he can make the proper adjustments (NFL defenders are much better at tackling in space) than the system would work well, it's just a matter of being able to alter his play calling a bit from his comfort zone.
Illegal man downfield. In the NFL on pass plays the OL can't move past the line of scrimmage. In College, they can move up to 3 yards (or More! if you're air force..) past. That could change things, as on the "check" to a bubble screen on a running play the OL can't just start runblocking.
Unless that throw is behind the line/backwards...
In any case I think that the rules governing OL play might make Kelly's system a little harder in the NFL
Ah Browns fan. No wonder you're such a pessimist.
As Green is our #1 need, surprised Hoke isn't closing the deal. He has to be great with Mom and Dad in the living room chat ....
National Signing Day isn't for another two months. No deals are being closed right now. And Hoke only gets one in-home visit, so if he visited now, he wouldn't be able to be in-home with the family for all of December or January.
got only 1 in-home and HC had a limited number of school visits.
Better to save Hoke for deal closing later.
Isn't Green enrolling early though? He needs to decide fairly quickly to get that straightened away, right?
NSD is in a few months, but yeah, he wants to be in school before then.
So it's come to this at MGoBlog—a comment opining that a particular recruit should come to Michigan is rated as "flamebait."
Brian needs to dump this dumbass moderation scheme yesterday. All it does is provide idiots with more opportunities to prove that they're idiots. And yes, somebody who rates a comment as "flamebait" simply because it has a couple of misspellings is an idiot.
but there isn't a tag for spelling. I'm all in favor of keeping people on their toes, but selecting flamebait doesn't do anything positive for anyone.
Others might argue that people who get themselves in a tizzy about the moderation of their comments are the idiots.
Nice straw man. The fact is that I've never once "gotten in a tizzy" about any moderation of a comment of mine, or made any comment at all about moderation of my comments. The comment in question was somebody else's.
If your larger point is that it's a waste of time to comment at all about moderation, then I'd suggest the whole moderation scheme is completely useless and should be abandoned. That's what I'd favor, if it meant a return to the much simpler upvoting/downvoting format without all these dumbass categories that are routinely disregarded.
Conversely, if you think the moderation scheme has any true value, then it's appropriate to comment on its shortcomings, and on the nature/quality of the comments. The latter happens continuously around here anyhow.
It's against my better judgement to continue this thread, but it's a slow day at work, so what the hell...
1. So it's better to get in a tizzy about the moderation of someone else's post rather than the moderation of your own?
2. The fact that you were talking about someone else's post, but that was not apparent because the moderation of that post must have changed as time went by only reinforces my point that it's not worth getting fired up about (feel free to use "fired up" in quotes in your next post, btw).
3. What about my straw?
4. I think we both agree that the current moderation system is silly/useless.
"Soon" could mean lots of things. I would not be surprised to see this recruitment drag out for several more weeks.
It means: In or after a short time or early
Which one would we prefer or think has better upside?
I think we already have a couple Green-like players in Rawls and DeVeon Smith, so I think Isaac offers the most upside. He can do things that Green can't, like catch the ball, make people miss, etc.
And while I kind of agree, I don't really think Green is like those players you mentioned all that much. Yes, they're both "power backs", but that's like lumping Steve Young and Vince Young in the same group because they are duel-threat QBs. I'm on record as saying I like Green better at the RB position (I actually think Isaac would make a great WR if things don't work for him at RB, which they most likely will at RB too), but Isaac would be better for Michigan because he has a more unique skill set that Michigan doesn't currently have. I think either would be a great addition, and I really think Smith and Green bring different styles of play when I watch the tape, but agree with the basic premise for the reason that Isaac was originally higher on Michigan's wish list.
I thought Steve Young was a devout Mormon. He's the last QB I would expect to threaten me to a duel.
Don't you think Green has more speed than Smith/Rawls?
Yeah, but I don't think Green is really a big-play guy. He really doesn't make a lot of long runs like you would expect from the nation's #1 running back...
I'm with you that with Smith already on board Isaac would be a better addition than Green given the different skill set he brings to the table. But as far as big plays and long runs are concerned, I haven't been that impressed with Isaac's tape either. He scores on a whole lot of long runs, but they all follow the same pattern:
- Defense is entirely lined up within 5 yards of the LOS
- Offense opens sizable hole for Isaac to run through
- Isaac runs really fast in a straight line
- No one can catch him because he's fast and the defense has bad angles from their alignment
He has definitely shown more elusiveness than Green, who seems to freeze up like a block of stone when he tries to juke, but it's hard to tell anything other than top-end speed from Isaac's tape. The offense he plays in just doesn't require him to read many holes or beat many guys at the second level.
Of course, this is all gleaned from highlight videos, which may or may not be of any actual use, but if I had just one RB out of M's targets this year, it would probably be Smith.
I disagree with a lot of that. Isaac reads his blocks pretty well and often makes guys miss in the hole or within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. You're right that teams stack the box because of the formation, but Al Borges uses two tight ends even when we don't really have a single Big Ten-caliber starting tight end. There are some plays where he just busts through the line and outruns everyone, but that's not the norm.
I'd say that Funchess is one of the better TIGHT ENDS in the BIG TEN. Not the best run blocking TIGHT END though.
Funchess was a glorified wide receiver this year. His blocking is not up to par. So he's technically a tight end, but he couldn't block inside...yet Borges still crammed him into the box, which just reinforces my point.
Agreed, but Isaac is going to USC.... as much as I want him to go blue, he runs and looks way too much like Marcus Allen.
You're right...I clearly don't watch football.
(Note: youtube caveats apply.)
He's Big Carlos Brown. Great straight line speed. Unlike Carlos, he falls forward with contact.
But he still falls. And doesn't make people miss.
I think Green's ratings are largely fueled by his freakish size/speed ratio, but I don't really like his highlight tape.
EDIT: The above opinion was based on his 2011 highlights. I watched the 2012 version, and he appears to have improved his balance. He still doesn't look like a particularly natural runner to me, though - just a very strong kid who's very fast in a straight line. He definitely seems to be more of a takes-what-the-offense-gives-him type than Isaac, who has incredible balance and lateral agility for someone of his size. Look at the 2:00 point of Green's video and compare it to Isaac's - Green looks to take about twice as long to throttle down and change directions. I'm more impressed with Green than I was before, but I still think Isaac is a better back and would be a better get for Michigan.
I know we have to take the 7 on 7 tournaments with nearly the whole salt shaker, but it didn't seem like Green had rocks for hands when he snatched a few starting from the backfield.
EDIT: So many replies to the original comment that my post has been rendered rather arbitrary.
Green would be great and probably the more solid option to lug the rock 20+ a game.
Many things about Isaac remind me of Marcus Allen and he was a deadly combination of long runs and great goal line plunges. So I'll take the risk for his upside.
The 2012 and 2013 OL recruiting class has to be attractive to Green. Those guys have the size to knock some people off line of scrimmage and make some nice running lanes.
I'm thinking Chip Kelly to the NFL will work out about as well as Rich Rod did for us. Dumpster fire.
Based on what? His proven winning track record at the college level? His ability to judge talent? I'm thinking there are a lot of NFL teams with fans that would easily hitch their wagons to his horse. Definitely many more willing to do so than a large amount of Michgan fans were with respect to Rodriguez.
and Kelly not exactly embracing defense. I foresee a short NFL career for Chip.
there is also the whole deal of his offensive style not translating at all to the nfl......
First I have a feeling that Green commits to Michigan tonight (just a feeling).
Found this article this morning interesting. Not that I think he would see the field here but we could use QB depth and I think Montana could be a good addition.
Wait, what? I can only guess, but "to night" would to me imply to spend the night, ie., to wed, to bed, to dine, etc. Is this some sort of slumber party? Isn't this a dangerous compliance issue??? I'm worried.
I like the exclamation points in his tweets. He sounds very excited that the Michigan coaches are stopping by. I would love to have him go blue.
I've watched this kid play a couple time and he is fricking awesome. I'm no recruiting expert but this kid is the best RB I've seen in a long time. I know Hoke wants a big bruiser but this Wilson kid is a game changer. Just sayin'.
The thing is, he isn't even the top back in his class at Oregon. Thomas Tyner is a near-5 star recruit.
come on, green. you want manball and we do too.
If we can add another top-tier player to this class, anything else would be icing on the cake. I strongly believe Derrick Green will end-up a Michigan commit, making this our best recruiting class on paper in at least 15 years, IMO.
If we are able to add Green and get one or more of these guys, I have to believe we are the #1 class and this class becomes the best ever at Michigan:
- Laquon Treadwell
- Leon McQuay III
- Ty Isaac
Of course, it would be nice to have Lacy or Hunt take Dawson's spot, but I am confident that we'll find an adequate replacement there even if we don't get one of them.
I think the dots add up. Him saying he is going to commit soon and him being excited for the visit from the coaches. Hopefully a Michigan education would help him with his grammer. *tonight*
Yeah, that darn grammer'll getcha every time.
Rivals reporting he just set up an official to ND
Wait, Green did?
No, you are wrong. Thats about Greg Bryant.
I know it's not likely to happen but I would love to be kept up all night by a Hello: Derrick Green post...
Or distracted all day at work tomorrow. Either will work.
I prefer at work since I need my sleep, especially with a newborn at home.
Congrats on your newborn! Hopefully he/she is doing well.
If we get him he's going to be a truckload once he gets some college S&C
I don't know if this has been posted yet(if it was sorry I couldn't find it) and I don't have twitter so I can't embed it but according to Green's Twitter he said that "The #MIAMI coach is on his way!! #theU" Now I am like most of you and don't put much weight into twitter but I thought that this was interesting. If he really was going to commit tonight I doubt he'd still have them make the trip.
He's toying with his followers a little bit. This is somewhat expected with recruitments that drag out. I imagine he'll put out positive tweets about every school that visits him.
Green coming here. I think he stays South, my guess is Ole Miss.
I can't for the life of me understand why a big time recruit would want to go to Ole Miss. Take out the factors of location (south) and roster (needing a big time back), which he can certainly find in a better football program, why the hell would he go to Ole Miss? Unless he is in fact afraid of competition, which I find hard to believe.
It's in the SEC, the weather, there are girls, and they produce a fair amount of talent. Deuce McAllister, Eli Manning, Mike Wallace, Dexter McCluster... I'm not saying it's the best choice, but there are reasons.
"there are girls"
I now understand. That factor would have had probably the biggest influence on my decision (if I had such a decision to make) as a high school kid. Hell, even as a 30-something year old kid.
Eventually one of these huge recruits has to fall in our direction.