His lines are good pass blockers but horrible run blockers
Mike Lantry, 1972
His lines are good pass blockers but horrible run blockers
Sorry man. Fire Borges.
Give me an offense that provides >30 points a game and we'll be okay.
Overreaction meme on "Fire Borges" is overreactive.
Inflating your PPG on cupcakes doesn't make you a good coordinator, especially when you score less than that by far in big games and the user makes a statement that also doesn't account for short fields or defensive TDs.
Like that ND cupcake thAt beat Sparty? Same one?
I'm sure you are being a bit exaggerative, but I certainly don't need to wait a few more years for our 5* talent to be seniors before casting a judgment on Borge's abilities. Also, I don't propose we fire Borges mid-season; that would insight a tire fire. Nevertheless, if he continues to roll out the same game plan week-after-week that abandons things we are good at and - in their place - does the same thing repeatedly that we suck at, then - yes - I think he should be gone.
michgoblue is secretly a coach on M 's staff, because if you actually watch the games and think Borges isn't the main culprit, you are batshit crazy.
HEY, THATS NOT TRUE!! IT WORKED TEXAS' DEFENSE!
So who will be the new Magnuson in plays with an extra OT?
Hoke reinstates Hagerup to left tackle and slides Lewan to slot receiver. Stonum figures out how to have more eligibility, transfers back to Ann Arbor, dons the #1 jersey and plays center.
Then we run power with Fitz 841 times for 13 yards.
Um vs Indiana is on Big Ten Replay right now. That offense is a 180 from what i watched saturday
Shuffling the OL won't do much if you're running at 8 defenders with 6 blockers.
Not that Magnuson at LG will do anything to help, but if you read the 27 for 27 piece, it's pretty clear OL is just as big of a problem as play calling. (IMO bigger, I disagree with some of Brian's conclusions, but anyway).
What did Matthew McConaughey do when he had to rebuild his O-line in that movie? Oh yeah!, keep away from power O....
new stuff to try and find the right combo but it sure doesn't bode well for the rest of the season. It's either injuries or they are throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Given the current state of affairs I'm OK with the latter.
Get the Tums ready for Saturday, potential position-switch starters might have you generating more stomach acid than you are used to.
This feels a lot like insert a random dude at safety/LB/DL. Rinse. Repeat. During the RR years.
None of it worked back then and it probably won't work now. However, I'm glad the effort is being made, then and now, to fix the problems. Nothing worse than repeatedly doing something that has been proven to not work. 30 for 28, Never Forget
Let Jim Leyland set the lineup!
I know the OL is a mess, but if Manguson starts at LG next week it's almost to the point where Michigan's making too many OL changes.
Why don't we just move Magnuson to 3rd Left tackle next to Schofield and Lewan? Then we won't need a left guard.
+1 to you sir.
Has anybody else noticed that Kalis seems to be at the root of a great majority of missed assignments and getting blown back 3-4 yards off the LOS??? Neither he or Bryant seem capable guards...I am offering no solution just wondering If anybody else is seeing this as I was pretty excited for him at RG at the start of the season. Is Funk not able to coach these guys???
In the event you do not want to open a new tab, here's the embed of the presser:
Hoke can get this line to at least be solid by the end of the year. This is so frustrating.
Kalis was a 5-star OL recruit for crying out loud. A big, nasty one too. Now we're substituting him with huge Magnusson, a high 4 star. Both are young players, but highly talented (according to recruiting publications).
Meanwhile, widdle Wisconsin is bulldozing the conference and the nation with their rushing offense (1st in BIG10, ranked 5th nationally), with a bunch of no name, no accolade OL players:
LT Tyler Marz NR, 2-star
LG Ryan Groy NR 0-star
C Dallas Lewallen NR 0-star
RG Kyle Costigan NR 0-star
RG Rob Haverstein #42 OT, 3-star
Oh, and they run manball.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark you guys.
This. At what point does Al stop indirectly blaming his players by talking about positions in pencil, open competitions,and trying out new players, and start realizing HE is the mother freaking problem? That either his schemes or his coaching or both are what is befalling this offense? Funk too?
If you recall Wisky had a terrible offensive line just two years ago.
With the exception of Marz (who is a Redshirt Sophomore) the rest are Redshirt Juniors with a Senior Mixed in there...
Marz (Redshirt Sophomore)
Ryan Groy (Redshirt Senior)
Dallas Lewallen (Redshirt Junior)
Kyle Costigan (Redshirt Junior)
Havenstein (Redshirt Junior)
It's like comparing apples and grapefruits in terms of experience on the interior of the lines. The idea that Funk should be getting > production out of some combination of Kalis, Glasgow, Bryant, Miller and now Magnusson versus that level of experience is ludicrous.
Crappy analysis and comparables are crappy.
And yet, if lack of experience is so indicative of potential O line performance, how come Al doesn't adjust away from schemes that place emphasis on the entire line and TEs working in cohesion to man ball as opposed to moving the offense into more space? Either because you're wrong, or because Al's an idiot. Either way, crappy offensive coordinator is crappy. Fire Borges.
That is why he has been a BCS coordinator multiple times. Coaches just love to hire idiots.
His offense has scored over 30 pts 4 times this year and that would have been higher if not for Gardner playing Football Santa.
"How come Al doesn't adjust away from schemes that place emphasis on the entire line and TE's working in cohesion to man ball as opposed to moving the offensed into more space?"
I'm comfortable I'm not wrong; I suspect Borges is not an idiot. I do think he's stubborn as a mule which is the root of this argument.
You take four and five star players and give them experience, time in the weight room, experience with multiple scheme and you can screw around with your offense all you want from Manball to zone to obscure TE tackle sets. Borges doesn't have this level of Offensive Line competency yet but he calls it like he does.
To summarize, I'm not wrong (the offensive line will be a bitch in about two years and perhaps one) but Borges is stubborn like crazy. I don't know that firing him is going to be an option, anyway, given Hoke's stubborn loyalty streak.
Havenstein RT and Groy C were starters last year for Wisconsin last year. The other three (Marz, Lewallen, Costigan) were not even on Wisconsin's two deep in 2012, though Costigan got a hard look.
My point is that both Wisconsin and Michigan had questions coming into 2013 about their OL. Both had a couple nice returning starters, and after that a lack of game time experience.
Wisconsin's OL talent isn't comparable to what Michigan has collected in terms of documented, camp-evaluated, nationally-scouted talent. Wisconsin's best offensive lineman was offered only by Wisconsin. Experience matters, but Wisconsin is in the same boat as Michigan in this regard. What really matters is player development.
Right now it is Wisconsin, not Michigan, with their pathetic 51st, 33rd, 38th, 69th and 37th ranked recruiting classes, who is kicking the shit out of opposing defenses right now with the No. 5 ranked rushing offense, a brand new head coach who nobody in the state H.S. system knows, and a brand new offensive line coach, who nobody knows either.
Yet when they fired the coordinator things turned around for said crappy line midseason. Fire Funk. Fire Borges.
OL coach, not the coordinator midseason. And that was 2012, not 2011.
Who also happened to be a new staff member who was working with experienced o
Your idea of firing both the OL and OC has to rank among the dumbest ideas ever written on MGOBLOG. So who coaches the offense and offensive line? Fred Jackson? Brady Hoke?Bringing back Jerry Hanlon?
You need to step away from the computer because your posts are completely irrational. If any changes are to be made they should be after the season. Firing people now is th act of a panicking fool. It won't resolve the issues(who coaches) at all.
if it meant a 11-3 record, 5.4 YPC, a almost 2000 yard back with 33 touchdowns, a 3000 yard passer with 39 total TDs and 44 ppg.
UM is transitioning to a new blocking scheme,. Wisconsin was running the same one they had when Moss and Fletcher burst on the scene in the early-90's. Continuity makes a big difference.
sides. I can see why people are bitching at Borges/Funk for being in year 3 and still seeming to be inflexible when it comes to playcalling and not being able to have a line be better than most MAC schools put out.
I also have a feeling that Hoke might be hamstringing Borges and he is obviously dealing with young, inexperienced players even if they are talented.
I'm at the wait and see point at the moment. Firing your OC midseason without a slam dunk replacement is begging for trouble. Firing a position coach who is underperforming isn't as big a shakeup, but again, who do you get to be OL coach? I'll save judgement until after the season, but I hope that if things stay the way they are at the moment, Hoke can put aside his loyalty and do what is best for Michigan football.
They have class after class of kids recruitied to play a specific scheme. UM is just now starting kids recruited to play Hokeball.
How dare you voice oppostion to the groupthink that kids will play well with more experience, coaching, time in the weight room and scheme familiarity vs. kids who have at least two years less experience but had five stars from Rivals.
The Michigan O-Line is going to be a bitch for other teams to deal with in about two years (possibly one given the youth coming in and getting time this year) but to expect pedigree to carry the day is ridiculous.
Marksur you missed the age difference between us and the Whisky O-Line. I will take experience and depth over stars anyday.
LT Tyler Marz NR, 2-star -So.
LG Ryan Groy NR 0-star SENIOR
C Dallas Lewallen NR 0-star -JR.
RG Kyle Costigan NR 0-star-JR.
RG Rob Haverstein #42 OT, 3-star-JR.
Redshirts across the board there as well.
If Michigan is not Wisconsin, and we have very little probability of developing into a Wisconsin over the next 6 games, and whenever Michigan pretends to be Wisconsin on offense, it gets knocked back for no gain or TFLs in embarrassing fashion, is it a bad idea to change strategy?
I can read UM's roster and the experience gap easy enough (3 seniors 1 sophomore, and a crapton of freshmen). The UM coaches must be convinced that OL experience doesn't matter much in terms of the head ramming approach.