Football Display Case
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
If you're gonna go please be in the first round.
another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference
thoughtful piece from Jacobi on middle finger lady
The thing I kind of took from Mathis and Olaniyan's comments was that they weren't comfortable with the atmosphere or environment at UM. I think that's legit and a personal preference, but it's not something that should be ignored. It seems like our coaches are tough and yellers and, god forbid, happen to swear from time to time.
People respond differently to different types of instruction / criticism. There are people out there who do well in a high pressure, high intensity environment, and people who respond more to a calmer, more logical approach. I don't think one is necessarily right or wrong, but we have to realize that maybe this staff's style just isn't for everyone. If you're a guy who likes a calmer environment, I don't see why you'd sign up for four or five years of yelling and craziness. Just like those guys probably wouldn't ever sign up to play basketball for Bob Knight or Tom Izzo.
Yeah, the news outlets suck. In today's journalistic climate the best you can strive for is to be OK. Inaccurate, but OK.
Florida Wolverines have dreadlocks...
puts you in good company.
Did we even read the same article? Geez guys, I read these comments and then read the article and have to wonder what everyone else on here read. You all read everything with such a bias to see bias that, guess what - you see bias. There is nothing any more negative in that article about Michigan than about any other program. Gholston's comment is that Michigan's coaches know why he didn't pick Michigan - that is it. He is being level headed and not saying any more. Tony Jones? He clearly prefers MSU to UM. Perhaps he grew up around MSU fans. He is giving us "the world according to Tony". Nothing else. Then he clearly states that UM wanted him to play safety, not WR (we have plenty of WR depth in the class). Big surprise he didnt favor UM. And Kater says that his worst recruiting experience was to MSU.
Get a fucking grip guys. Step outside of your own biased interpretative frameworks once in a while. You are creating something out of nothing. The only thing related to this article that paints UM in a bad light is this thread.
I don't care about Gholston or Tony Jones.
The things that look bad are Olaniyan (he didn't like the way the coaches ran things), Mathis (he didn't like the atmosphere), and Hankins (although not as bad as the others, he said he seemed last on Michigan's agenda).
It's not a horrible article. Nobody here is calling for people's heads. But when nobody in the entire article says a positive thing about Michigan (for reasons already discussed), it's not a great thing, either.
Twitter - Recruiting Update: May 20
Hankins clearly admits it was Michigan's choice. I know you are a coach and all, but I trust RR's actions over the whole process over your opinion of Hankins. UM didnt like Hankins that much at first, it impacted how the whole process played out. I trust RR's instincts over yours Magnus.
Positive: Bullough on UM: "It's a great program"
Nobody else, that chose one program, says this about another program.
That the EEs are not speaking speaks volumes. That they ARE EEs speaks volumes. Try to listen, others are.
The guys who did not pick UM say they were not comfortable or did not like the program or did not have a good visit - and you are troubled by this? You think everyone who visits or who the coaches are interested in should feel comfortable with the program? What planet are you living on? UM is great, but it will not be great for everyone. It is a question of fit.
Not liking how the coaches run things means nothing. Unless you read something into it - it could mean he doesn't like to work so hard, or that he, guess what, just doesn't like the way coaches run things. It is a question of fit - both sides (the program and the player).
And that you read that article. All that you see is other peoples commits with no one talking about Michigan. You have no idea why no one is speaking great things about Michigan and have no idea that all of Michigans commits cannot speak in the paper.
To us and everyone who pays attention to the program this is not a big deal, but to the casual fan it is just more fuel onto the Fire RR fire.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
Again, I think you are seeing bias where there is none. You are looking for "fuel onto the Fire RR fire" and there see some where there is none. I think that the article is neutral enough, that the UM recruits are not speaking communicates enough, that even the most ignorant or naive fan will not see any "fuel."
about recruiting and doesn't know that the UM players are enrolled early.
To fans that follow recruiting (like all of us on MGoBlog) this article is a non-article, it means nothing, it is nothing. To others who are just casual fans who show up to the first game going "Who is that black QB.. Wow he's fast! Wait was his Shoelaces even tied!" This article looks bad.
I agree whole-heartedly with Magnus all of us on MGB couldn't give two shits about this article but to ignoramuses it looks bad.
that you are clearly ignoring the import of their own words. I won't address Hankins or CJ but I will Gholston: "The coaches know. I was favoring Michigan. It was like Michigan and Michigan State was neck and neck. Then things happened and they fell off. U-M was in my top five but not at the end."
If you think that those words do not mean that he didn't find his experience with us positive, and is saying so in a nice way, then I'd like to see what reading comprehension scores you got in school. To go from top two to out of the top five means that something happened that he did not take positively. Now, does this mean anything is wrong with our recruiting? No. Is this a terrible thing for the program? No again. Should we be all worried? Nope. But his words are not a neutral statement.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
"Let's pretend that you know nothing about football and recruitin"
If that's the case, then why would your opinion after reading that article matter at all?
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
And this bird you cannot change
And this bird you cannot change
Lord knows, I can't change
Lord help me, I can't change
Lord I can't change
Won't you fly high, free bird, yeah?
why the hell is the proposed anonymous reader reading an article about football recruiting if they know nothing about football and recruiting?
I'm not sure why you are placing so much weight on these kids' comments - most of them were either not offered at all, didn't have a committable offer, or simply WEREN'T a priority for the coaches (until perhaps as a backup option). If any of these things happened to me, I'd be upset too. But that's life - you can't always get your first choice in everything and sometimes you fall a bit short.
I have to agree that his comments are fairly neutral. But they are not completely so -- they do firmly place the blame for those "things" that "happened" on U-M. I know teenagers are ego-centric, and I don't expect him to see the world like an adult, but I wouldn't call those comments "level-headed" -- there is some innuendo there.
Sounds like the Michigan coaches didn't want to meet his demands($$$$) to play at Michigan?
Yeah, every time a kid doesn't want to come to UM, it's because he demanded money and Rodriguez wouldn't give it to him.
Also, those kids later hint at their monetary demands in the newspaper.
Makes perfect sense.
It would be nice to hear the thoughts of the Michigan EEs, especially someone like Austin White, who all but seemed destined for MSU early on. With him seemingly "in the bag" because of his brothers being at State, I wonder if the MSU coaches *gasp* took him for granted?
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
Maybe Austin White saw all of the problems that his brothers were having at MSU and realized that might not be the greatest environment for him.
You are being -1ed for your insensitive flaunting of the English language.
Love & Hate are horns on the same goat.
Did you, perhaps, mean "flouting?" Or did I miss a ninja grammar-sarcasm combo move?
I personally like how none of our recruits were "made available" for the story. I think that's RR giving the media around here the big middle finger.
OH-HOW-I-HATE OHIO STATE
particularly Angelique, is our friend.
Remember the affirmative effort to bust the RR-to-UT rumor a few weeks ago.
The other paper, I shun.
I see nothing objectionable in this article from a partisan viewpoint. Once the research/interviews were started, and once it turned out that UM enrolees are unavailable for comment, the article was fairly well a wagon rolling down a hill. The methodology is transparent and there is no visible hint of editorial manipulation, or of conspiratorial intent (unless you suspect DetNews was planning on the silence of UM enrollees to provide a pro-MSU slant). The various "Why not UM" responses were all different enough that no real narrative emerges from them. More than one came out and said they weren't recruited here. I think the outcome here is sufficiently neutral, particularly with the lack of participation from UM recruits, which isn't the paper's fault. Within the context of DetNews' comparatively more nuanced coverage, I don't think this comes off as a hit at all.
15. WR Tony Jones.
Why not MSU ? Growing up in Michigan, that's where everyone wants to go.
haha where does this guy get his information??
I think they might have accidentally mixed up the "Why not MSU?" and "Why not UM?" labels. It's a possibility.
Ann Arbor is a classy broad.
"Get off my plane!" - Ricky Stanzi, Air Force One 2
I think this personal story might relate to "MSU: that's where everyone wants to go":
My sister is a senior in HS. She didn't think she could get into UM with her grades, so didn't even want to apply, she didn't care about going to UM at all.
She applied to 14 (!) other colleges. So far she has gotten into all of them, has started picking her favorites, and hasn't said a word about going to UM.
Then my dad made her apply to UM, you know, just in case. She just received her admittance letter and guess who the new #1 is...Michigan!
In other words, if you don't think it's attainable, you might not "want" to go there. But once it is, then it's the only place you want to go (at least for some).
"_______ has enrolled at Michigan and the university has not made him available to participate as part of this story."
After reading this line multiple times, I stopped taking the piece credibly. It's only one side of the story. You don't have any of UM's guys responding to "Why not MSU?". So it's a non-event in my eyes. Also, it made a clear statement that the access has been tightened up considerably in Ann Arbor after the Freep Jhiad following Media Day last summer, which I am glad to see.
The News should have waited to run this article after NSD. There are still 48 hours and any one of these kids could POSSIBLY change their commitment. Not probable, but possible.
All In Worldwide
what happens when seasoned reporters are allowed to talk to freshmen kids, so it is best to have this shield in place.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
I always wanted to go to MSU. But when I was valedictorian of my high school graduating class and finished high school without a criminal record, MSU was off the table; I had to settle for UM.
You mean when you graduated AT ALL and actually bothered with your SAT's, MSU was off the table.
I hope it comes out, though I don't see any real reason for RR or Dantonio to go there publically. I would like to hear what exactly happened. As with Grimes, I think there is a lot of negative recruiting (by HS coaches and college coaches) not to mention the myriad of other influences on these guys.
The bottom line is relationships need to be preserved to keep opportunities open. RR understands that I think. Michigan can ill afford losing athletes who have no other reason than "things" happening. It's a better school in most all cases, a better football program overall than most all others and a big step toward a better life for these kids.
Hankins was not a priority early for supposed good reason. It looks like he turned that around. Good luck to him. Winning is going to favor this wait and see tactic. Bring on the wins.
That is all.
Christ in me arise and dispel all the darkness.
First of all, when did I say that my instincts are better than Rodriguez's? And what do instincts even have to do with the conversation? I said that Hankins felt like he was low on Michigan's priority list. That has nothing to do with my "coaching" instincts; it has to do with factual knowledge that a) Hankins' offer came late in the process and b) he was quoted in the newspaper saying that had an effect on his college choice.
You're right about Bullough - I forgot about that comment.
"Try to listen, others are." What does this even mean?
Not everyone who reads the Detroit News is as well versed in recruiting as many of us on this board are. If Hankins says what he says and uninformed people read it, they might think that we're treating Detroit kids poorly. If people who are already anti-Rodriguez or on the fence read Olaniyan's comment about "I didn't like the way the coaches run things," then that could have a negative impact on the perception of Michigan/Rodriguez.
I'm not troubled by anything in this article. I'm going to sleep fine tonight. I'm not throwing a fit. I'm not saying Rodriguez needs to be fired. I'm not saying people at the Detroit News need to be fired.
I'm simply saying that some of these comments do not reflect Michigan in the best light.
You stole my point in your third paragraph. Give credit where credit is due. Snark over
People less versed in recruiting will not like this article. And people that already hate RR.. This will just stoke the flames.
'"Try to listen, others are.' What does this even mean?"
It means something we are both trying to argue, but in different directions. It means try to hear (see?) what others might hear, not just how you assume others will hear. You think those in the fire RR will camp see UM negatively, and you are right, some will. But I dont think they all will, and I dont think those who are neutral will see UM negatively. I do think that in trying to interpret what those in the fire RR camp will interpret, many here, including yourself, are overshooting, are being too extreme - are not listening to other aspects of the article or to the article in other ways that it might be heard.
EDIT - as for the rest of our disagreemets - we simply see things differently. Which is the point of it all anyway.
Mathis was offered early and pursued heavily. The interest from the coaches dissipated when he insisted on extending his recruitment and/or his position started filling up.
They cooled on him months ago. I guess I didn't elaborate as to why (the fact that they filled his position), but that doesn't change the validity of my post.
His comment made it seem like he chose not to attend UM, when in reality UM had stopped pursuing him. That was the main point of my post.
I'm just glad The Detroit News isn't the Freep. The Freep is dead to me after all of the shit they've pulled.
Here's +1 from me. I mean, really.
Dude, I don't know what it is about my comment, but it's toxic. I'm sorry (or at least as sorry as one can be over mgopoints) that you got caught in the crossfire. You are a true warrior for your dedication and sacrifice.
Long live bjk!
I guess my point is that he could have chosen UM. He was given the opportunity, and he chose to pass that up. Whether the coaches cooled on him or not is kind of irrelevant, because he thought there might be better options out there. Whatever the reasons, it's a kid who said "No, thanks" to a Michigan offer.
from the comments of hankins and hill is that both of them feel like that they were entilted to a michigan offer no matter what... we all know the story about hankins as its been told many times... as for hill IIRC he under performed at michigans camp and jumped on state as soon as they offered. and when tim saw him play against pioneer he said that his back up was better...
I think the most interesting comment in that article is the one at the very end by Tony Jones about State:
"Growing up in Michigan, that's where everyone wants to go."
Very unfortunate that UM didn't allow their early enrollees to speak to the paper. I understand the reasoning I guess, because of the way the Freep shitheads took Stokes and Hawthorne's quotes and turned them into an NCAA investigation...but the DetNews article just looks horribly slanted without any UM commits chiming in. Just me, but I would've let the players talk.
As for what some of the other kids said (Gholston, Hankins, Mathis, Hill, etc)...well, lol. That's all I can really say at this point. Lo-freaking-l.
My problem with Gholston's answer is the lack of truth in it. We all know the real reason he didn't come to Michigan is that RichRod doesn't recruit 5 stars. (sarcasm)
Reading the article, I was a bit concerned. The overall impression is that kids don't like UofM so much. If our recruits had contributed, however, the impression may have been different. We would have seen more responses to a "Why not MSU" question.
As an admitted non-fan of RR, I didn't see anything here that makes me think the negatives are his fault. Some kids don't like UofM - such if life. The State kids probably got pitched the idea of playing both sides of the ball...it's not like they have too many kids probation-free up there.
11. QB Cody Kater
"Why not U-M ? I was never a Michigan fan. Michigan really didn't make my list of six or seven schools."
Dude, were you even offered by six or seven schools? MSU didn't even offer you.
15. WR Tony Jones
"Why not MSU ? Growing up in Michigan, that's where everyone wants to go."
To be fair, Flint and Sagnasty are major Sparty towns. The majority of people I know in the Flint area that are Michigan fans primary migrated from a pro Michigan city.
That's all that caught my eye. To each their own. If Michigan wasn't a right fit for you, then so be it. Michigan isn't for everyone. Just don't make some BS excuse (I'm looking at you Cody Kater) on why you aren't going to Michigan.