I want to say we'd say no to this. And there are truly zero reasons as to why this would be in Michigan's interests.
Yet we put AppState back on the schedule, so... Maybe anything is possible?
I want to say we'd say no to this. And there are truly zero reasons as to why this would be in Michigan's interests.
Yet we put AppState back on the schedule, so... Maybe anything is possible?
tells Brandon that they'd play in Ann Arbor and not demand a return trip, I certainly see Brandon doing it.
Right, and we scheduled a neutral-site game against ALABAMA in a year when we only had two non-conference home games to begin with. So... yeah
Completely agree. Between Appy State and scheduling Bama next year, I put nothing past Brandon. With ND away, Bama and Air Force, they better get off to a fast start.
Well who thought App State would be rescheduled? It's not so crazy if it's a one time away game for Arizona. Dave Brandon's got an ego too, so I don't see him refusing a game outright. However, I don't know how they could promise him that in the first place.
If he brings back his defensive staff from Michigan, we'll crush him.
He has a better chance of winning a national championship if he "recruits properly"? What does "properly" mean here? What's the alternative that would be "improper" and also less successful?
You can recruit the players at Arizona to win a title, but not at Tulane.
Though I guess it could be taken as the only way to win big at Tulane is to be shady. Louisiana is pretty shady recruiting grounds, and even harder with LSU so good now.
no recruit would EVER pick Tulane over LSU (i'm seriously curious to see if this has ever happened, ever), so why would it be harder now?
For 20 years LSU wasn't that good, a sleeping giant that programs all across the Country pilfered recruits from their backyard; including Michigan. Did Tulane get a lot? No. But enough that they were going undefeated before LSU was.
i would assume that Tulane going undefeated vs LSU going undefeated is not that big of an accomplishment due to level of competition, but I didn't research this so I could be wrong.
"His expression to me was he felt he had a better chance to win the national championship at Arizona if he recruited properly" can anyone explain exactly what he is talking about? I'm going to assume/hope he is talking about Tulane (due to the location) but I find it strange to talk about a job you had years ago without specifically indicating it. Obviously, it could be taken out of context but at first it seemed like a slight towards UM.
Recruit good athletes as opposed to bad ones? FWIW, "better" means "better than at Tulane," as that quote got snipped out of context from the article.
It's no secret that he was restricted recruiting at Michigan from both the fallout of the Freepgate and by Michigan's admissions staff/AD from taking on too many academic risks.
With a fresh start, I could see how it would be much easier for him to recruit.
I mean only half his kids ended up sticking anyways by fall practice and I place that blame fully on him.
RR's biggest flaw; he recruited kids like he was still at WVU/Tulane/Clemson. Hoke came in took solid academic kids and we've heard nary a peep of a non qualifier, this my friends is how you build "depth".
recruiting guys like Denard and Gardner, Barnum, Omameh, and Lewan, Koger, Roundtree, and Odoms, Demens, Ryan and Morgan, Countess, Floyd and Gordon. People complain about Carr leaving the cupboard bare but RR really turned the program into a smoking crater by recruiting such low class kids.
one could argue that recruiting is easier for a team that is on the rebound (but has a storied history)...
They could. . . but they'd be wrong. This is nonsensical. Recruiting is easiest during times of sucess.
You just slandered a respectable school (Tulane).
I think Clemson is a comfortable distance (north) of WVU, too.
Morgantown, West Virginia is 500 miles north of Clemson, South Carolina.
There definitely were issues with recruiting academically questionable kids. That hurt. Particularly when one considers the secondary. Losing Witty and Dorsey left us with precious few recruits that when those recruits didn't pan out (JT Turner) or left early (Warren) it really hurt. I do think you are exaggerating the effect and underestimating other factors when it comes to depth. Depth was built from Carr's last couple recruiting classes which ended up terribly for us (for many reasons: injuries, schematic change, Carr recruiting academically questionable guys, to Carr signing transfer papers). Think of it like this: last year people said, "Okay, RR has to do it this year. He has his guys in place as his recruits are juniors and seniors." That was patently untrue. Most of 2007 recruiting class were Loyd recruits. Most of RR recruits were either true sophomores or redshirt sophomores with a few juniors (Odoms for example). Depth issues were primarily a factor that from 2007 to 2008 we graduated most of our offense, lost 2 Oline to injury, had a massive schematic change, and poor recruiting by Carr. 2008-2009 saw most of the starting defense depart. Thus poor depth.
Yes, RR did recruit more academically questionable kids and he paid for it and we are paying for it. But it is a risk/reward scenario. For example, this year we backed away from both Pittman and Burbridge as they were academically questionable. As such we lost out on both and now it appears that both will qualify to play. Those are two gamechanging players we lost to MSU (and maybe TSIO now). Sometimes it bites you and sometimes it pays off.
are great places for dumb people, atheletes or not !
I also wouldn't mind seeing it, because with our current staff i think there is about a 0% chance we lose that game. Probably not something Dave Brandon would like to do so soon after everything though.
I feel like that is a bad idea for both schools to schedule that game. Michigan b/c we want to move on, Arizona b/c they'll get smashed.
Arizona already pretty much gets smashed by everyone already, so I dont think that is a consideration.
Dave Brandon can't be that stupid can he?
Hey man, if next season's opener has taught us anything its that David Brandon has a price. Jerry Jones gave Brandon more than we make for a home game and Brandon did the deal.
Maybe Arizona offers us a one off game in the Big House with no return game and a very very minimal to no payout and Arizona takes it to fulfill their promise to RichRod. Who knows.
The point is, David Brandon definitely has his price.
Now we're just negotiating a price."?
playing Bama in the Jerrydome =/= playing Arizona anywhere, ever
first of all, i'm pretty sure everyone has a price.
second of all, what is wrong with playing Alabama next year? you scared?
Nothing about this is a good idea. UM people should want to move on, and Im sure Rodriguez just wants revenge...nothing good can come of this.
That is assuming he actually wants to play us. Isn't this from a high school coach form Louisiana? If he did want to play us, then revenge and redemption could be motivating reasons.
And I don't think there's a chance in the world that Brandon would say yes to that.
What if it were a home game that required no return trip? Also, since Arizona is everyone's (except most people) 2nd favorite team now, fans will get to see their 2 favorite teams in action at the same time.
This was my thought. We are constantly looking for ways to schedule BCS teams without away games. This would be a perfect opportunity to do so. I also think that Dave Brandon's ego would tell him it's an opportunity to prove that we ended up with the better coach.
It gives RR the chance to cause people to perceive Brandon as having been wrong to fire him (even though that really wouldn't make sense). I can't imagine Brandon taking that chance. The headline if Arizona wins is "RODRIGUEZ BEATS FORMER TEAM." The headline if Michigan wins is "There was apparently some sort of football game today - details on page 14."
I wonder who they'd root for: the coach that spurned them or the team that took him.
Do Mascots get in for free?
to see a home and home with Zona.
Think we would roll Arizona? For the record, Arizona may be easier than App State. With poor and old facuilities and being more than second fiddle to everyone else in the Pac-12, I don't see Arizona coming out of the dark ages. At least WVU had football relevance (bobby Bowden ) before Dick Rod was there. Put it on the schedule doesn't bother me. What still bothers me is having people boo App State when they show the score on the big screen. We don't have a rival with that school and we never will.
You just double face palmed the face palm guy. I think I just orgasm'd.
That deserves an upvote even though you are already at 5.
This is what I was afraid would happen.
Never mind. Just saw the "Dick Rod" reference.
That's why I posted it. For or against, it's an interesting concept. The idea that they may have said they'd try and do it, or Rich may have requested it certainly makes it juicy. It's just going to be hard to speculate on motivations and feelings of the parties without it turning into our "favorite" meltdown.
over the age of 16 use that reference? Who (talking of M fans. State and OSU fans of course used it) could be so utterly immature and lame as to ever say that??
unless you guys are going to provide everyone with your real life identity, you should probably lay off the kid now. i'm sure he gets the point.
Is a real identity? We don't even know if he is the REAL Facepalm Guy.
When you have Pitt and Marshall fans in your family, it wasn't a nickname. it was just normal to call him that.
To imagine that we have higher standards than both of those places.
I guess we'll always have apolitical Lloyd Brady.
He might not really be facepalm guy.
Just saying, there might be a chance...
God I hope he is. What must your real life be like if you impersonate an online meme on a sports blog?
in the Rose Bowl if they win the Pac-12 next year. It's up to you, RR, if you want the matchup.
Someday. Though it hasn't happened yet.
Dude, if they win the rose bowl next year I'll shave my eye brawls off. I
You'd have to explain what eye brawls are first.
RR better take advantage of USC having scholarship reductions the next few years.
That is all.
We'll meet him in the Rose Bowl if they win the Pac-12 next year. It's up to you, RR, if you want the matchup.
Times a thousand.
As much as I find that intriguing, I would rather we didn't do this. There is not a compelling reason to schedule Arizona other than the RR tie, but of course, we play a month of non-conference games - I would credit DB with the sense to turn that down.
You'd "credit" the guy that made Michigan a punchline by re-sheduling App State?
He also has a chance if he teaches defense properly.
As long as we don't do a home and home bring them in. The storyline would make me cringe but they are a better OOC game than some random MAC team. Be a great OOC during a year were are at ND.
True. And, secretly, I'd love the drama of the whole thing. It would be entertaining. Then again, I am also for big-time games like the Alabama game. Although I do agree a home-and-home would've been preferrable, that game is still going to be a sweet, national event in a faraway place. It has to help recruiting (assuming we don't get blown out; then, maybe a push, but perhaps appealing to kids who like the limelight).
Apparently that quote was taken out of context. He was comparing Arizona to Tulsa. But Tulsa fans are probably pissed! Edit: I was replying to someone else...not sure why it got posted here.
What's so bad about the team we play? It probably ends up a one game series at Michigan like Colorado and OSU this year because that's the only way Michigan will schedule a struggling BCS team after the Uconn fiasco.
UConn fiasco? What was the problem there?
I think he's talking about the return trip to take on UConn in their 45k seat stadium.
Does the size of the stadium matter to us when we're playing a road game? Do we get a cut of the revenue? Or is it just the fact that we gave up a home game that was the problem?
No payout can possibly equal a home game*, and what a school with a small Stadium can pay in return must be less than one raking in revenue.
(*unless Jerry Jones is involved)
We wanted a team from an AQ conference for the dedication game. A return game is now the price of getting a game against one of those teams. Because of the money the BCS has introduced to those schools, they almost all refuse to play one-off away games (other than the Jerrydome/Chik-fil-A type games). The only recent exception I can think of is OSU's game against Colorado this year, for which they paid $1.4 million, to an AD that's substantially in the red.
If we wanted a one-off, we could have scheduled Boise, but that might not have turned out well last year.
there is no way in hell Brandon would schedule this game. Nothing good could come of it for us.
I'd prefer a home game against Arizona next year in place of Alabama in Texas. Arizona will likely be a so-so team during RR's first few games with a brand new offense.
there is no way in hell Brandon would schedule this game. Nothing good could come of it for us.
Too soon. Let's wait a few years until Michigan and Arizona become powers in their respective conferences, maybe even meeting in the Rose Bowl a few times. By then, everything should be healed.
Call me a hater, but Arizona will never become a power in the Pac Insert#. This is independent of RR being their coach.
will be against Toledo. Seriously.
But I was thinking if we replaced an OOC game next year if he'd still be game, and we'd be more likely to do it.
We are MICHIGAN! We will have the best talent and the best Coaches in the Nation. We welcome the Bucks and MSU yet fear RichRod? Bring it RR we will mop the floor with you!
For those interested, here are the schedules for the next three years. The only dates without an opponent are September 13th and 20th of 2014:
Man, that would be really funny if we played App State, Rich Rod, and then Tressel at Akron for our out of conference schedule. Every game would be about something bad that happened to Michigan.
Or if in the future, Rich Rod gets fired from Arizona, gets hired by App State and in turn hires Tressel to be a coordinator because Tressel can't get it done at Akron!
Psh! Why have three games of Michigan mishaps when you can have them all in one game!
You don't have to always use ! to end your sentences. Other punctuation marks are allowed to end sentences as well, are generally well-accepted by the populace, and won't make you seem any less cool. Or you can split up concepts and thoughts with punctuation. There exist a plethora of options; hell, I just used a comma, semicolon, exclamation point, hyphen, and apostrophe. It's totally doable.
The part about scheduling "within three years" makes no sense if one is to take that literally.
The timing aside, Arizona could make it a rather simple proposition if they agreed to come to Ann Arbor without demanding a home and home. That is any B1G team's dream; to get a Pac-12 team to visit without having to give away a return. I'd presume that there is not a single Pac-12 team that we wouldn't jump to get onto our schedule under those circumstances.
There is another, quite logical way to look at J.T. Curtis' statement (quoting, or perhaps misquoting Rodriguez) -- that is, within three years, Arizona will make a deal to play Michigan. (A much more sensible and realistic goal.) That means scheduling in something like 2014-17, or beyond. Rodriguez might be thinking that if he's given the resources at Arizona, he could build it into another Oregon in six or seven years.
How did Oregon do the last time they were in Ann Arbor?
I'm still incredibley frustrated with that game. I can't believe they brought out a hammer in front of the student section. Would love redemption. Would love to beat them in a Rose Bowl. Crossing the fingers for next year.
JT Curtis and, uhh, the high school he coaches, which is named after him, is kind of a big deal H.S. coach in Lousiana. John Curtis is a perennial powerhouse, also. That's right: the guy started a high school for (among other reasons) the purpose of leading its football program and it is named after him and he coaches D-1 talent constantly and has 500-plus wins in his career. I mean, it is somewhat admirable from a "holy shit, that high school coach has made himself quite an absurd fiefdom" perspective.
We had the San Diego State game this year, which was kind of a similar situation and the thing that I remember most from that game is the turnovers.
I think most Michigan fans have already completely moved on from Rich Rod. I'm not sure it would be that much bigger of a deal than SDSU.
With App State we know Brandon does interesting things for a buck, but what about Hoke? He's got some say now, wasn't involved in any of the stuff going on here, and what does it do for him or his program? He has no grudge against Rich; but will still have to deal with the hype/fallout. He wanted to dump the SDS game, but couldn't at this late date. Why schedule the headache in advance? Particularly soon when you still have a lot of Rich's recruits to feel bad about it.
When it comes to scheduling, Arizona is a better team to play than Appalachian State because each game would be marketed as a grudge match, where one case you have a BCS team that currently employs one of Michigan's former coaches, and in the other case you have a D-1AA team that had a historic upset over Michigan.
Yet in the hypothetical situation where Michigan plays Rodriguez in the future, I would hope the publicity surrounding the game (with the inevitable references to Rodriguez's former tenure at Michigan) is positive. Because despite all of his shortcomings while coaching here, Rodriguez is still a former coach at Michigan and should be honored as such.
ASU was looking to move to FBS. I wonder if the Big East will take them now to stay alive.
DB will not schedule a home and home remember? so the only chance RR has at playing us is either in AA or in the Rose Bowl. With the way he coached defense it'll only be in AA cause he's not going to the Rose Bowl the Pac 12 isn't the Big East either. I have a friend who is a Arizona fan and would love to take him to the Big House when Michigan takes RR and Arizona to the woodshed
Looking at Arizona's "recent" history, they are no stranger to scheduling Big Ten teams. In the last 15 years, they have scheduled home & homes with Iowa, Illinois (twice), Ohio State, Wisconsin (though the Badgers didn't make a return trip) and they played the kickoff classic against Penn State several years back.
We played Arizona in Ann Arbor in 78 during Rich Leach's senior season and they played us surprisingly close. But we haven't met since.
Bring his ass on. He'll see what Michigan is really about, first hand.
he kinda already did. albeit the less nice parts.
Michigan is really about TOUGH, physical football. Having a power running game and DEFENSE.
It also seems it's about petty egos, undermining and backstabbing. Unfortunately for RR he wasn't capable of bringing the former and only experienced the latter.
RR not capable of petty ego? You're saying this in a thread about RR being promised to get revenge on his old team? Undermining? I'm pretty sure he undermined his DC and mandated what style he runs despite minimal defensive experience and no B1G experience. And backstabbing? Well that would be less painful than the last three year's win total.
By "former" I meant he wasn't capable of bringing the toughness and power running Devotee talked about. I didn't choose the right way to express that very clearly and knew it before I hit send.
It just didn't work out. It wasn't you, it was us. We'll always have the memories. We can still be friends.
Now please, get the hell over it.
Really, making your new team promise to schedule the team that fired you? Come on Rich, you are better than that. Move on with it.
Because it does come off that way.
If Tony Gibson is anywhere near Arizona's campus, I'd gladly take that challenge and do nothing but pass 100 times that game.
Worst position coach I've ever seen, in my life.
Who cares? If Arizona plays Michigan, Michigan should win. And if Arizona wins, then it sucks because that means Michigan is bad.
Whoever's on the schedule, beat 'em. Winning solves everything.
the storylines and atmosphere around that game would be poisonous for everyone involved, including RichRod and Hoke.
Pretending that AZ is "just another team" is willful denial. Our former head coach works there now, and considering the turbulent circumstances of his departure, I see no good to come of this and a lot of rehashing of a past that most everyone would rather leave buried.
Playing in a Rose Bowl would be fine because that would be a happenstance clash of two teams; scheduling it directly would be tacitly scheduling a grudgematch that has nothing to do with our program and the kids playing and everything to do with personal squabbling and a rehash of a past that, frankly, isn't the most flattering for either side.
Leave it be, DB.
except that Dave Brandon scheduled App State in 2014. That is a perfect example of a game with no upside; if we win then it's ho-hum and if they... I can't even say it.
Similarly, I feel like DB might decide that an AZ-UM grudgmatch game would make for great drama and fodder for casual fans. You can't deny that the national media would eat up that game, though I'd like to think that Brady Hoke would talk Brandon down from that. It's just not a classy move.
All that being said, I think it was hyperbole because I'd like to believe that RichRod is classier than that (and AFAIK did not ask for Michigan to play WVU during his tenure here).
When tennessee gets back to being good again, I bet ya they try to schedule USC.
much about how classy an institution Tennessee is, so I can't comment on that.
But does this kind of thing really happen much in CFB? Our game with SDSU was scheduled years ago and kind of a fluke; I don't recall most programs actively pursuing games against their former coaches.
I don't understand why RR would want to do that to himself. His team would most likely lose, and he would probably not be treated kindly at Michigan Stadium. If he really thinks he'll turn Arizona into a powerhouse within three years, he could be in for a rude awakening.
Call me crazy, but if we did this, and he were still there at the time, I would want us to do something like this when we go back to the the 9-game conference schedule in 2017 (I think that is what it is). That leaves only three OOC games, and I have a feeling that we would have greater incentive to schedule better OOC opponents (like we used to, and I think Arizona is more intriguing than App State). Granted, that's a long way off, but I think it would also give this fanbase a little time to cool off. It seems too soon now.
Why would a nine-game conference schedule spur us to schedule more difficult OOC opponents? I'd think it'd be just the opposite - we'd want some sure victories (and home games) in September.
....I am saying this several seasons before it actually happens, first and foremost, and I freely admit that the current trend may continue. It would be my hope, I should say. I would like for one of the three to be at least one that piques everyone's interest.
Can we do it in November?
I have no huge problems with Rich Rodriguez the offensive mind, so not going to inveigh against his desiring to schedule Michigan from that perspective.
HOWEVA. Within 3 years? Okay. Respect Arizona, but...it's Arizona (wrt recruiting base, prestige, etc). And he doesn't have any roots there that I'm aware of. I sincerely doubt that he COULD have Arizona ready to face Michigan in 3 years, even if Michigan scheduled them.
And they won't.
Am curious why he wants to schedule Michigan. If...it is as a means of mitigating his chagrin (and we know he's a proud man), try taking Arizona to the Rose Bowl instead. Might not be all of the validation he desires, but if he can turn Arizona into a perennial Pac-10 contender? It'll be enough.
Michigan would schedule Arizona not the other way around. The only teams Arizona can schedule are MAC or Mt West teams looking for a pay day.
This only means Devin or Shane - depending on year - will have 700 yards passing and 350 yards rushing. The Michigan RB will have 539 yards or so also. And Michigan will win 172 to 35. But the 35 Arizona puts up will be FEI spectacular.
transfers to Arizona, sits out a year and is the starter for Arizona and RR Year 2, I say we do it. but I am not sure where there is room to make it happen.
This was a HS coach in New Orleans talking up the Tulane HC job. One of only 2 reasons RR chose Arizona is that they agreed to schedule UM... Why wouldn't Tulane agree to do this?
Shit. You're right. It might as well have been RR up there saying that he wants to go in to Michigan Stadium, drop his pants on the block-M, and give 110k people something to kiss.
This is probably the worst thread of all time. It won't happen.
This post is all kinds of ignorant. Have you read Three and Out? The guy was never negative. Even when the press and administration was bearing down on him, he never quit. He cared about his players and probably still does.
It's also not fair to accuse a single man like this of disproportional self interest. Hoke's "dream" wasn't Michigan winning ten straight national titles. No, it was Hoke coaching Michigan. Every person thinks like this. Rodriguez is not abnormally selfish or anything like that.
To add a bit more, your post is about self-vindication: "I said this after the initial presser". This creates some truly epic hypocrisy.
I'm well aware that Rodriguez did not necessarily use optimal tactics ("Even Vince Lombardi couldn't...). But I don't think he was being negative. As far as cockroaches, I don't think that's a harsh enough word. I don't think calling members of the media (or traitorous program insiders, pulling in different directions) cockroaches is negative. I thought it was more of an "us against the world" mentality. "Prove the doubters wrong. They're all out there" (quotes are mine to provide example thought patterns). Again, it's still not optimal. But what would you have done? Hoke?
I don't think Hoke would address the issue to the media. I think he would address it in order to dismiss it with the team. Am I wrong? I think Rodriguez calling them cockroaches also does this. He was also defending some of his players, too. Players who spoke to the Freep could be viewed by other players as sabotaging the team in some manner. Rodriguez did not allow that. He created another enemy for the team to focus on. I do not think it was "negative," however unwise it may have been.
A coach saying "Vince Lombardi could come in here and couldn't fix some of the things that are wrong with the defense" isn't being negative? Are you suggesting that somehow constituted positive reinforcement? Publicly bemoaning the placekicking situation and joking about finding a new kicker on the way to Pennsylvania wasn't very positive either. If you want to contend that this was simply a beaten-down coach who wasn't feeling himself by that point, okay, I could perhaps buy that. But to say he was "never negative" is a reach.
You're absolutely right. I suppose it's not always clear (especially in this instance (to me at least)) what "negative" means. He certainly was negative in at least those above examples. My initial qualm was with the guy accusing him of propagating a negative atmosphere. I think that is untrue. Thank you (and the guy I originally responded to) for the discussion.
what you thought was so terrible about his initial press conference? I watched it and he was never negative about Michigan, only that he was happy his guys were doing well and that he wished he could be apart of it because he thought this was going to be their year.
I mostly agree with this. Rodriguez can be a very charismatic man and he might well be the offensive genius some believe but when times get tough I think he has a history of painting himself as the victim. I don't necessarily though think he's negative, that kind of stuff comes out only when he's the subject of criticism, he deflects it with comments like the Lombardi line.
Don't like the idea. Take a gander at our attendance numbers. We don't really need to use marketing ploys like this. It can either end badly for us, or neutral. It won't make us look good. Schedule them if they become a ranked team and only once all his recruits are gone from here. We don't need to risk what we have going here by bringing that story back to life.
Playing App State is a marketing ploy. Playing a Pac-12 school is not. It'd be a nice break from the ND/MAC routine we're in right now. I think playing this particular school would be a little awkward given the coaching situation, but still, it's better than say, Bowling Green or UMass.
I don't have a big problem with this from our perspective. I don't think it makes any sense from RR's perspective, though.
Bring em on. I'm sick of MAC Snacks, Directional Schools, Delaware States, etc. At least Arizona is in a major conference. And the RR story line makes it interesting.
Anyone who wants to avoid Appy State, or Arizona, or Boise State, 3 competitive schools who will come here without a return trip, doesn't really want Michigan to play a tough schedule. If you want to be the best, you need to play the best.
I also want to quote a former favorite mgoblogger of mine who left mgoblog over this issue when Brandon scheduled Appy State, mgoshoe:
You whiners are still pussies. I don't really give a rat's ass if you think this makes me not "good" anymore.
I'm sick of the criticism of Dave Brandon. I'm sick of the criticism of Hoke. I'm sick of the willful dismissal of clear evidence that doom is not upon us.
Some of you will never be happy. Not with Brandon, not with Hoke, not with Denard, not with scheduling. You whine that the schedule is too easy, then you whine when we schedule Appy State or Arizona. Some people just aren't happy unless they're whining. Get over it and grow a pair.
[quote]You whine that the schedule is too easy, then you whine when we schedule Appy State or Arizona.[/quote]
I don't think you said that right... you think that scheduling App State makes the schedule harder?
Let me turn it back to you: who is easier?
I think that in some years (most years?) Appy State would beat all of the above teams. But given that we lost to them, I think that it is time to play them and put them to rest.
because it will just make us a punchline.
We'll probably win and then we'll have to hear about our lifetime record of 1-1 vs. Appy State.
And if we were to lose? Good God...cancel the rest of that season.
But hey, if watching that blocked field goal for a month beforehand is something that gets you going, then I can see why you'd be excited.
Exactly. We'll see that damn kick replayed over and over and over before the game.
And it's still a lose-lose situation. If we win, everyone will say 'so what you finally beat a team you should have beaten the first time'. If we lose, well, filling the stadium in with cement and burning the university down would be more enjoyable than to listen to all the bitching that would go on.
I look at it like the male wrestlers who forfeit to female wrestlers. If you win, you beat a girl. If you lose you lost to a girl. For the guys that forfeit, there is no glory in winning. For the guys that don't forfeit, they risk embarrassment for their pride.
There is no right answer as it is a subjective topic.
it pains me to hear you say "If you want to be the best, you need to play the best" and then suggest App State is a benchmark for us.
If you seriously think that they are a team by which we should measure ourselves by, I think you need to think with something other than the pair that you're urging me to grow.
It's a no-win game and I would derive no pleasure even if we beat them by 70, because even scheduling them is a tacit admission that we regard that loss as a benchmark.
It would be like Dwyane Wade losing a 1-on-1 basketball game against a high school kid and then after 7 years demanding a rematch. Just weaksauce. Respect to 2007 App State for being a very good team, but I really don't think that is the kind of rivalry we should be building at Michigan.
LeBron getting dunked on by a kid, then having Nike try and suppress the video?
I do not appreciate your language. Even in quotes it is disgusting.
a random potty-mouth generator?
Please stay away from "blue collar" and armed forces jobs/people.
Also David Molk likes to hit people really fucking hard.
I can see why Rodriguez would want to do it, because he feels that he got the shaft and was treated like shit and nothing would prove that Michigan got it wrong like beating us. It's just human nature to want "revenge" if that's what you would want to call it.
I wouldn't like this game for several reasons. If we lose, we'll have to hear about it for a couple weeks afterwards and it will be miserable.
If we win, I'd be happy for the team and coaches, but it would be tough for me to be totally happy knowing how much extra joy it would bring certain segments of the fairweather fanbase who abandoned the team then joyously jumped back on this year, the media who created a hellhole to coach and recruit in and the conniving members of our athletic department and university.
If we were to face Arizona, I would rather have it be in the Rose Bowl, because it would mean that Michigan was enjoying a period of sustained success and that Rodriguez found a better fit for his style after a miserable experience here in Michigan. Until then, it'd be best just to let it go.
Just because some of us didn't think that RR was a good hc for Michigan does not make is fair-weather fans. I still rooted for the team like I always did.
But I was in the stadium plenty of times to hear the boos.
And whether you liked the coach or not, when the kids on the team have to hear how terrible they are collectively over and over again - despite many personnel holes that people can't seem to fathom - you are not supporting the team.
I've gotta believe RichRod told Zona to try and schedule this 3 or 4 years into the future with his whole "lose big, lose close, win big" theory
Would be interesting, I'm sure RichRod has a big chip on his shoulder trying to show us what could have been.
I smell reality TV in NCAAville! Meyer to the bucky's, Tressell to the zips, RR supposedly said...blah blah blah. I don't believe he said this...Why? Because he's intelligent enough to recognize the possibility that we could play zona @ the Rose. Jebus, when is our bowl game announcement again? Let's get back to business - shall we?
When RR was hired at Arizona I thought we might meet him in a bowl game at some point. I don't think it'd be cool to do a home and home or something like that, and I doubt Brandon would agree to it.
OTOH, Brandon might want to validate his coaching choice and want to play RR.
I think this site would explode if Michigan ever lost to a RR led team.
c'mon people .....this is true cause some high school coach blah ...blah...blah
And still lose by 80. Please schedule this game so we can put up" Yost type" numbers on the offensive end
then we can show him what a defense and a fg kicker looks like.
Schedule Akron for us if Tressel gets the job.
I have no objections to a BCS team for non-conference games. Neither should anyone else.
We're talking a big game about playing RichRod and Arizona, but doesn't it just seem that it would be our luck that RichRod finds his QB in year one who was languishing as a 3rd stringer at Arizona this year and they're immediately awesome and Tony Gibson is the DB coach and they aren't terrible. I feel like that's just how it would work out
The last time Arizona played Michigan was 1978 in Ann Arbor. The Wildcats were coached by a former Michigan assistant coach, Tony Mason (1966-1968).
Arizona (5-6) came out seething and almost knocked off Michigan (10-2). The Wolverines prevailed 21-17 on a 4th quarter touchdown run by Russell Davis. It was the closest scoring margin of any game Michigan played that year.
Like Michigan, Arizona ran an Option I offense that year with Jim Krohn (#5) at QB, FB Hubert Oliver, WB Tim Holmes and TB Larry Heater (no relation to Chuck Heater). On defense Arizona had a great LB/DE type named Cleveland Crosby (#95).
I find it baffling tha he majority of the posters here do not see this happening.. As well as the fact that the majority of posters are having a hard time seeing why M is opening up in Dallas next year. The answer is money, and nielsen ratings.. Throw the App. st. Game in there as well, that was also scheduled because of both of those reasons.
The Bama/Mich game will be watched by an inordinate amount of people arond the country, not to mention the payout both schools are already getting just to play in the game.
App St and Arizona will also both draw higher ratings as well because of the storylines surrounding the game. As much as our fan base hates to admit it, that App St debacle ended up being one of the most talked about games of that entire season. Of course more people will tune into watch a Mich/App St game than a Mich/Toledo game that will only have a regional draw. These factors accompanied with Brandon's (not scared of anything) outlook are the reasons he schedules games like a neutral Bama or App St again, and it is why that I am sure he would be happy to schedule Arizona... (assuming it is not a home and home).
Better ratings and more visibility for the program ultimately means more money in Michs pockets. We have to remember, M has a former CEO as an AD, not a random fan that is scared to lose to a former employee.
speaking of brandon, does anybiody have his email address would like to send him a nice email
i have seen the email address around here before, i know he replies back
I pray to god we play Arizona and Rich Rod in three years.
Michigan just needs to play a few more marquee opponents of historic interest like LSU (never met), Georgia (1965?), Clemson (never met), USC (1990), Stanford (1972), Cal (1979)and Oklahoma (1976).
Due to the Citrus and Alamo bowls vs. the SEC and Big 12 in recent years (vs. Florida, Auburn, Alabama, aTm), the 2005 Rose Bowl, and the addition of Penn State and Nebraska to the BIG10, there's only a few teams left on Michigan's "Bucket list".
The Arizona schools and perhaps Boise State/BYU would also be interesting matches.
Sadly it looks like Michigan's Wolverines will instead dine heavily on MAC cupcakes for a long time to come.
We played USC in the RB after the 2003 and 2006 seasons, but it's been many decades since we've played them during the regular season, before Bo came to town. I'd love to see them in Ann Arbor, preferably when it's in the low 40s and raining.
We last played Stanford during the '75 and '76 regular seasons; tied them 19-19 and then pounded them 51-0 in the rematch.
Last played Cal in 1980.
More for the never-played-'em bucket list: Va Tech; Kansas State; Iowa State; Texas Tech; TCU
How about teams we've only played once in bowls? Tennessee; Arizona State; Mississippi; Arkansas
Or West Virginia? played them only once, back in 1904.
Or Pitt? Last played them in 1947.
to try to show that firing him was a mistake.
if Michigan and Arizona end up in the Rose Bowl. Arizona is the only former PAC-10 team to never have appeared in the Rose Bowl.
including former Michigan recruit, Tom Savage #17, 6-5, 240 lbs and Daxx Garman #9, 6-2, 185. Garman QBed for Southlake H.S. in TX. (same school as Missouri QB Chase Daniel).
And I couldn't care less who's coaching them.
And for the record, I'm glad we scheduled Appalachain State again. We will beat them 77-0, because Hoke dun't mess around. Lloyd's staff let their guard down and it cost us. It is NEVER going to happen again.
After all, THIS IS MICHIGAN FERGODSAKES!
If the story is true, it puts Brandon in a great position, kind of like a car dealer who finds out a guy has promised his new girlfriend he would buy her the shiny new convertible on his car lot she really wants. The dealer bumps the price up a few thousand and refuses to come down. The boyfriend is either stuck backing down from his promise or paying through the nose.