Absolutely agree. That's why RR is no longer the coach here. Doesn't mean we all have to be a dick to the guy, that was my point.
Coach Rodriguez on "The Herd", ESPN radio today
comeback over Wiscy in '08
pasting Minnesota in '08
3OT W against IL
Denard (B1G OPOY, NCAA record setter)
Pasting the Big East Champ in the opener
Great Work with Mott
Stealing Recruits from Purdue
That list is pretty sad. In my day (when we walked barefoot, both directions, to school), we won multiple Big Ten Championships, saw a Heisman Trophy winner, tons of records, graduated many pros, and left a legacy that soon created a National Championship and another Heisman winner. But hey...RR beat Illinois on a lucky bounce in 3 OTs! Sweet. I'll stick with the ND wins. Those were nice.
"Lloyd also turned in perhaps the worst recruiting class in Michigan history in 2008"
Really? Here's the link to our 2008 recruiting class, ranked #10 in the nation with 17 4-star players: http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/teamrank/2008/all/all
So by your logic, M should have a Heisman Trohpy winner every 4 years. just so all alums can say they went to school when X won the Heisman? You do realize that between Harmon and Desmond, there wer almost 50 years, correct. We have also won 1 (one) MNC in the last 60+ years. The Last time Michigan won the big ten was 2004, so Lloyd had 3 seasons in a row w/o a B10 championship as well.
It is blatantly evident that you are aggrandizing your time as a student, and expecting every year to live up to that "memory" you have of it. I'm sorry to say, but it will never happen.
I'm working on the sequel.
Many of your good times are simply MGoBlog memes.
You're a tool.
DB's statement back then made me pause also. I hope this is the worst that can be said years from now about Michigan's behavior on its side of this split.
perhaps he can coach your new favorite team - the Bolivia Bolivians
former Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez 12:15 p.m.
I wonder when Mitch Albom's book about Rich Rod's three years in Ann Arbor is due for release? It guess it's going to be called "Maize and Bloopers! Why Rich Rodriguez's Tenure at Michigan Was Doomed from the Start." I heard there's lots of juicy stuff in there about how Rodriguez never got to "finish the job" because of "factions" that were in place before he ever arrived. There will be new information about "shredgate" and "swear-o-rama." Also we'll find out the real reason why Justin Boren left for Michigan's archrival school in Ohio. Hint: it has something to do with "family values."
Isn't John Bacon supposed to have been doing research for a book during the 2007-2010 RR period that is going to come out soon?
Googled it for you. It is Bacon and it's due out in the fall. The title is "Third and Long: Three Seasons with Rich Rodriguez and the Michigan Wolverines."
Heard him discuss it on WTKA, and it sounds as though he had good access to the program for the 3 year RR tenure.
It sounds like a really interesting read, but also potentially excruciating.
I hope there is a chapter about Michigan's fan base and i hope Bacon was able to get a honest answer from RR and his opinion of the fan base.
I can almost guarantee that the first words out of Cowherd's mouth after "hello" will be to bash Michigan's alumni and fanbase for not giving Rodriguez enough time. He's made it abundantly clear in the past, when things started to go down hill, that Michigan would overreact and fire Rodriguez with good times right around the corner (i.e. we wouldn't be patient enough).
Yeah, but there's a difference between patience with justification and patience without it. One's smart the other is foolish and there's a compelling argument that there was little justification for patience in this case.
Yea, he said before the season started, that given the time, RR would have us a machine. He also said, toward the end of the season, that RR needed to be let go.
"burning his bridges" and "speaking negatively" and "making excuses" about his time at Michigan. All of the clips/quotes I've seen/read have been nothing short of classy on his part. The only twinge of bitterness one can detect, if possible, is when he said that he regretted not being able to finish what he started here.
And even if he did "go in" on Dave Brandon and Michigan football, it wouldn't prevent him from getting another high-profile job. Rich Rod could make a diss record about Michigan today and would still land on his feet somewhere. A good coach is a good coach, and (allegedly) tarnishing/disparaging the Michigan name wouldn't prevent another AD from hiring him. Hell, some AD's would hire him and encourage him to talk more trash about Michigan. We're not universally beloved, people.
He ripped the AD and insinuated he didn't know anything about football. That's really the worst thing he said as far as future coaching goes. No AD will be excited about a coach who might later insult him. Will he get another job? Absolutely. Will it be a "dream job"? No.
I find it funny that you think anything RichRod has said in interviews is going to prevent or even have any bearing whatsoever on an AD's decision to hire him. Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds after the circumstances around Michigan hiring him? But you're right, with all the national attention RichRod is getting because of his bashing of Michigan and Brandon....oh wait, no one has even mentioned it other than the RR haters from this board.
It would be nice to see RR accept some of the responsibility for what went wrong instead of trying to come off like he was the victim. Seems like nothing is ever his fault. Everything bad happened to him was someone else's doing. Just go away RR, no one wants to hear it from you here. In three years I never heard him say, "Thats my fault" or "that's my responsibility". You know what Carr did after Oregon came in and pasted us? He stood up at the podium and said that the team wasn't ready to play, the team wasn't up for the game, and that it was ON HIM. He took responsibility for that game. That's why Carr had, and has, the respect of people inside UM and across the the country. RR should have taken notes on how to be a stand up guy.
If only you knew all the mean things that have been said about you on this site, Mr. May.
so you signed up just to make that brilliant point?
I'm just glad that this self-serving moron is gone. Let's stop talking about him. Let him go ruin some other school's program. He is a scheme guy. Never was a leader of men. Never will be.
Let's stop talking about him.
You are the one who signed up for this message board and used your first two posts to talk about Rich Rodriguez. That's neat.
Why do you feel the need to trash RR in such a way? Why call him a "self serving moron." Did he ever call you such names? What has he done to you personally that you harbor such venom towards the man.
Look, it is obvious that you believe that our program is better off going in a different direction. I personally agree with you. I don't think that another year of RR would have been productive, and I don't think that he did a good job while he was here.
But, thinking that RR wasn't a great fit for us (or even thinking that he is a crappy coach) is different than leveling personal attacks on the man. You can think that someone is not a good fit or good coach without attacking their person. I am sure that you have done jobs where you have not succeeded as you would like - did people trash you, calling you a bad person, a moron, a self-serving person?
"It would be nice to see RR accept some of the responsibility for what went wrong instead of trying to come off like he was the victim."
"Just go away RR, no one wants to hear it from you here."
Which is it? Just looking for clarification.
I find it totally rediculous that mmay here has brought up something that is a valid point people are bashing him for it. This small legion of Rich Rod loyalists, seemingly only found on this website, will band together to support anything and everything he does/says no matter what.
I don't think my (or anyone who posted a similar) view is "rediculous". People here don't get negged or hassled for making good points about RR's shortcomings. Posts saying that he both needed to hold himself accountable to Michigan fans and saying that he wants RR to leave him alone do.
I won't support RR if he comes out and says "My time here sucked I hate that place, if I could go coach at OSU I would." But so far he hasn't said anything resemblng that, and I challenge you to find evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence to back up your point or mmay's.
"People here don't get negged or hassled for making good points about RR's shortcomings."
Actually, that's exactly what happens here. The large point totals belong to loyalists. Hell, I even got negged 1000 (in one swipe) for merely quoting an insult of a former mod to me after I noted very fair points about some shortcoming of RR. I'm used to the way the blog works, and I'm still here...so I deal with it. But, if you think this blog is anything other than rabidly pro-RR (at the expense of anything else)...then it might just be because you're new to it.
I'm really not that new. I've been a reader for over a year and signed up in the middle of the season and have been commenting daily since. There are a lot of people with big point totals who are not rabid RR supporters.
The negging doesn't commence when someone points out that the tackling isn't technically sound, it usually gets nuts when people say things like "the spread offense is an embarrassment to the school" like one poster after the Gator Bowl.
The general feeling around here these days, at least among the "regulars" seems to be that everyone would have loved RR to have worked out, it'd be for the best if he did but now he's gone. Maybe throw in a little animosity towards DB for the way he fired RR and a little skepticism of Hoke, but overall I feel like the blog has swung into a fairly pro-Hoke atmosphere.
This is not correct....you have never made fair points about the shortcomings of RichRod.
Just last month you questioned whether RichRod "got" our rivalries because he went 0-6 against MSU and OSU. Yeah, you are always making fair points.
That is complete and total bullshit. Feel free to provide a quote when I said RR doesn't "get" our rivalries. You won't because you can't. I have said (many times) that RR didn't win the rivalry games (with the exception of ND), but I never said he didn't "get" them. Why make things up like that? It just makes you (and your argument) look bad.
I have never made fair points? Really? It wasn't fair to note the massive defensive attrition (and specifically list all players who left)? No? It wasn't fair to note how we stumbled as we hit the BigTen season? It wasn't fair for me to note that our scoring offense lagged well behind our yardage (and even lagged behind SDSU's scoring offense)? It wasn't fair for me to note the defensive woes (as we all noted)?
C'mon dude. Cut the bullshit. Don't pretend I said things that I didn't. This blog is simple...praise RR; get points (prior to the meltdown)...critique RR; lose points (prior to the meltdown).
The blog is simple: make reasoned, well-supported statements, cut out the vitriol and personal attacks, and you'll be fine. Be an incendiary commenter and fill your posts with invective and sarcasm, and those in the "middle" are pushed to the other side of the debate by default, discount you as a messenger of your message, and are less likely to view your subsequent comments without bias. I, for one, have no problem with those who point out their issues with RR's tenure and do so in a rational way. Likewise for the other side. However, when people communicate they're ideas in the way you seem to regularly, no matter what side their on, well, then the negs come in waves.
I wonder about a guy who has been clear about his opposition to Coach Rodriguez before his firing posting this as a new thread which predictably turns into an argument about the past between supporters and non-supporters of Coach Rodriguez.
Of course, you were just putting it out there so people knew...
Not going to get into whether Rich has been "classy" or not since leaving, but I will say this. Rich never took accountability and responsibility. The message was always, "I drew up the perfect plays and we just didn't execute." You won't hear that from Hoke. Another difference - Rich harped on "making progress." Hoke said if we don't win the Big Ten THIS YEAR we've failed. He understands the expectations at Michigan, regardless of who's on the roster.
Of the 39 comments currently in this thread, this is the first VALID criticism of have heard of RR's public comments.
I was continually frustrated by RR's "we just didn't execute well" comments. Yeah, Rich, we know, every time we lose the team didn't execute well. Why does that keep happening?"
I, too, was frustrated by the "we are close" and "we will improve, but the process isn't going as fast as we would like" comments.
I think that part of what doomed RR was his failure to really appreciate the expectations at Michigan. None of his prior stops came with such massive - if unrealistic - expectations, so I do not blame him for this.
Execution comes down to repetition and experience.
Every year we had a new, first-year starting quarterback.
in 2009 and 2010 we had young defenses that made a lot of mistakes.
In 2010, especially, when the defense just looked lost, we had a ton of young players who were not ready to play, due to the mass exodus and injuries (starting with Warren and finishing with Floyd.)
Even things like missed field goals and fumbles...what do you want a coach to do? Honestly, if you recruit a guy, who is an All-American (Gibbons), you expect him to make a 27 yard field goal. If you're a D1 recruit - fuck it, any level of college skill position player - you should already know how to hold onto the ball. This would be the equivalent of a high school student graduating and attending a university and being unable to read at a 9th grade level.
We did not have the experience to run an effective team last year and we still won 7 games. Add a year of experience....I liked our chances of improving.
Do you want to name for me all the FCS teams that employ a coach specifically for special teams? I'll give you a hint....you can count them on 1 hand.
Hiring a ST coach when 2 years ago you had arguably the best special teams units in the B10 and last year you were middle of the pack isn't ingenious. But go on, tell me how the ST coach would have made our kickers accurate
This is dumb. Do you know what Mike Tomlin said at halfiime of the Super Bowl? He said that the Steelers weren't executing in the first half and had to come out and play better. Izzo after we beat them said that UM executed better. In addition, everyone here was harping after every press conference after a loss about how they were sick of hearing the coaches say that they needed to prepare the kids better. You can fairly criticize that maybe RR wasn't the most tactful when he first came here in discussing the roster, but to say he never claimed responsiibility is dumb.
This is what we get when people just repeat dumb shit that they hear and not actually do any research. If people actually listened to entire press conferences, they would hear RichRod take plenty of blame. But people don't do that. They hear his "coachspeak" (which every coach in America uses) and get outraged because they think somehow this means RR is blaming everyone but himself. It's fucking "ridiculous." The only reason this is even an issue is because of a blind hatred for everything RR without any actual evidence other than "look, he blamed zoltan for a fake punt gone wrong that he clearly should have punted.....RR is an excuse maker."
Typically, he'd say something like "We didn't execute, our special teams were better in practice, we've got a lot of holes, and we all need to do better, including the coaches..."
That's not really taking responsibility. Taking responsibility is "Yeah, we've got some hurdles. And everyone needs to do better. Ultimately, though, I'm the head coach. It's my responsibility. So I'm the guy you should be blaming."
That's what Bo and Lloyd would usually say. That's what Tressel says. It's what a coach ought to say. Sure, sometimes they strategically called the O or the D out. Mostly, though, the HC took responsibility.
Does that make Hoke a liar or not responsible according to your logic?
BTW- Rich AND the team talked about winning the B10 all the time just like every coach in the conference did/does... Winning the conference is "coach speak" that they all use.
It wouldn't make him a liar or not responsible. Hoke just said it would be his failure.