Not sure what exact time and it hasn't been announced by Colin yet. The show runs 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. EST. Anyone finds out, update/edit my post with the info. I gotta leave.
Not sure what exact time and it hasn't been announced by Colin yet. The show runs 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. EST. Anyone finds out, update/edit my post with the info. I gotta leave.
He is gone. Let it go.
But you know some Michigan supporters will talk about him atleast til he gets another job.
He's been pretty classy so far while expressing frustration. He's earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to media appearances.
I disagree. For "classy" is how Coach Moeller has never said a negative word, after having had his team yanked from him. Classy is how Bump Elliott never cried and complained and made excuses after having his team taken away from him. RR needs to grow up.
We get it. You hate Rich Rod. But he's done an admirable job of not admonishing the program, fanbase and Dave Brandon when he in all likelihood has valid reasons to.
Degrading talent and saying there is a dearth of talent are two different things. When did he degrade the previous coaches? And stating that Brandon didn't necessarily give him a fair shake, well, that seems to be fairly reasonable under the circumstances.
And to the poster a few above, I think Moeller helped with having that team yanked from him...
Never read anything about him taking a shot at the previous coaches.
Personally, while I was in favor of firing RR, I do believe that overall, he has handled himself with class throughout this entire process. He has not taken any DIRECT shorts at the team, the university or even Brandon.
That said, I think that there have been a few comments that RR has made that, while I think "degrade" the team may be too strong, certainly made me cringe. For example, when he said that even Vince Lombardi couldn't do much with this defense. To me, that was basically a statement that no matter what, this defense wasn't going to get it done. Talk about undercutting your players' confidence. The far better response would have been, "Look, the defense hasn't performed as well as we would all like, but they are young, and as young kids, they are improving every day. I think that this defense has the potential to be very good, and as coaches, we are working to get them there."
Another comment that I didn't like was the "hopefully we will find a kicker on the way to the Gator Bowl" along with his repeated public statements that they were trying to bring in walk-ons for the spot. We all know that the kicking game sucked. Really sucked. But, by publicly saying that, essentially, "these kickers suck and if I could play someone else, I would," how do you build these guys up?
On the other hand, RR's recent comments about the "process," don't bother me at all. He didn't go out of his way to trash DB - he responded to questions and candidly stated that the process employed by DB put him, his team, his coaches and even recruits in a crappy spot. Guess what? It did. If DB was going to hire Hoke - a move that totally support - he could have done that on December 1, and everyone would have been better off. On December 1, in my view, it was pretty obvious that RR had to go, and that there was no real way that he could credibly stay, so DB DID put him in a crappy spot. These comments don't bother me at all.
mind. I was generally a fan, and thought that the firing was a huge mistake. But the two comments you examine were unfortunate.
Keep it up and you won't be able to post anymore. Good riddance.
the issue here is whether RR has handled with class the media and himself post-firing and to a lesser extent during his time as head coach.
His record is not up for debate at this moment.
He was fired because of his record. Everyone here accepts that reality. They can still support the type of person they believe RR to be.
If raider so wishes, he can start a thread about how terrible a person RR is (based on what: his win-loss record?).
Haha Raider....I got a chuckle out of that one
If we can't come to the conclusion that there is little talent on the defense then we have to abandon what has driven this board for 3 years, "The Decimated Defense." I don't see why he wouldn't have a bad opinion on Dave Brandon, Brandon held him in limbo during the entire coaching search period of November/December which prevented him from getting a job this coming year, all in order to massively scale down his buyout.
Yes, you have a good understanding of the last 3 years for a guy that seems to have showed up 2 weeks ago.
I never saw a single thing writen here that would indicate that anyone expected a NC before 2011. And even those expectations were scaled back more recently.
So you are complaining about the board being pro RR and that was your user name? And, secondly, at what point was that name "appropriate" to begin with?
has been duly noted.
Dissenting opinion? Ahhhhh, get away from me. I can't handle opinions that differ from mine. Grow up Peter Pan, Count Chocula.
I thought you couldn't handle keeping your clothes on in public
Way to live in the past and hold grudges. The conversation is about how classy Coach Rodriguez has been over the firing process. Rodriguez has had many chances to take a shot at the university and Dave Brandon, but has made only nice, neutral comments about the new coach, the players, and the school. As a summary, he has:
1) Wished the team, the players, and the next coach well in the future.
2) Stated everyone (being him, his coaching staff, the players, and the new coaching staff) was worse off than they would be had Dave Brandon let Rodriguez go sooner. Even you should agree with this (save the $1.5 million that was saved, but that seems miniscule).
3) Mentioned that it's frustrating when it seemed like the worst was behind the team, feeling like the team was ready to make a turnaround.
4) (where Rich Rodriguez overstepped his bounds in a single incident) Questioned Dave Brandon's experience leading an athletic department.
Aside from 4, when has he not been classy after being let go?
He suggested you are not in reality because you said "Rich Rodriguez is not being classy towards the University after his firing." You then went on to suggest that, because he thought you were once not in reality because his stance of "Rich Rodriguez will not get fired" turned out to be false, it is he that is not in reality now instead of you. That's an apples-to-oranges comparison, since it's possible that he was wrong before but right now. You should thank me for allowing you the chance to explain your position rather than grouping me with him; in "reality," I'm sure I'm not the only poster that does not appreciate your current wave of attacking posters that disagree with you.
Take, for instance right now. You believe Rich Rodriguez is not being classy because he 1) stated he tried to explain how he ran the program to Dave Brandon with the belief that he knows more football than Brandon, 2) stated Brandon doesn't have experience, 3) complained that he was fired after the bowl game when he would have also complained about being fired before the bowl game, and 4) speaks in the 3rd person. I'll do this high-school debate style to try to show you that it is possible that neither of us are completely wrong, and a good way to earn some positive street cred on MGoBlog is by giving people the benefit of the doubt (this post may get to tl;dr length):
Off 1: It is an expectation that, in a macromanaging position that Dave Brandon has, Brandon probably doesn't know as much about football as the coach he is in charge of. That would only be natural for someone in charge of every sport the athletic department outputs to not know as many X's and O's behind football as the head coach that is underneath them. So is it unreasonable for a head coach to say it in public after getting fired by them? Probably not, especially given that the football that Brandon does know is certainly drastically different than the football that Rodriguez teaches. Should Rodriguez have said it? You clearly don't think so, but I don't see it as it being slanderous in any way. I could say "The President knows less about Nuclear Engineering than I do" with a strong level of confidence and not have secret service men looking for me; in fact, politicians often employ nuclear engineers like me to educate them as to how everything works.
Off 2: I gave you this point when I said Rodriguez overstepped his bounds by questioning his experience. So... you forgot to mention that I mentioned what you mentioned that I didn't mention. In any case, I don't view is as incriminating as you do because he will be given many more chances to screw up again, and I don't think he'll stand behind this point aside from some waffling "He hasn't been an AD for very long, so what I said was true." If he does, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, FWIW.
Off 3: This point ignores the fact that Rich Rodriguez mentions that the timing of his firing affects everybody negatively, not just him. So he has already demonstrated that his interests are not entirely for himself. Thus, I don't think he would complain as much about getting fired before the bowl game than getting fired after. For himself it's possible, but this shouldn't be held against him because it didn't happen.
Off 4: I really wish I knew all the psychological details surrounding this behavioral phenomenon. The best thing I could find is that it links a person with narcissism, which given the descriptions of a narcissist don't seem to describe Rich Rodriguez. Therefore, I give Rodriguez the benefit of the doubt on this. Maybe it's a West Virginia thing.
The point that I'm trying to make is that, given the same set of facts that lead you to conclude Rodriguez is being unclassy, I don't see things the same way. Does that make me an RR Loyalist and a dahblue hater? No, it makes me human. I don't want to get into an MGoBubble discussion with you regarding what happened during RR's tenure, since that's in the past. Rather, you need to understand why you're being referenced negatively by more and more users without lashing out at them. We can agree to disagree, but we don't have to assume the other user's an idiot in the process; let the MGoCommunity decide that for themselves.
Thought there was good stuff in it though... *shrug*
There was plenty of talent on the defense especially in his first year. The front 7 was not filled with young players. It wasn't the back end that was being bulldozed by Wisconsin running the same play over and over again.
Prove that he said such things. Every interview that he has done since he has left has been linked here, and he as at most took a jab at Brandon for letting it drag out, and gave his opinion that he needed another year. I fail to see where he trashed the kids on the team and the previous coaches in any interview since he has been fired.
The converse of your last statement is also true. The end of people trashing Rodriguez is a long-anticipated one for this MGoMember. Its time to move on. The longer this tired discussion goes on, the more the Board loses its luster.
You really do put the douche in the bag, you know?
What valid reasons does the guy have to bash UM? They gave him unlimited resources to work with and $2.5m per year of personal $$, all for turning in the worst three seasons in the history of this program. His teams were falling farther behind their Big 10 rivals and after 3 years of terrible performances, grumbling alumni, and creating a horrible public perception of this program, he was given $1.5m to leave.
And we get it, you probably think he had nothing to work with....but there have been a lot of coaches who stepped into programs, which weren't full of players recruited during years involving Rose Bowl trips, who didn't proceed to suck miserably.
(relatively for Moeller, he left due to his actions)
Rich has been extremely classy. He could have lashed out in all kinds of ways but has taken the high road. He donated all of his gear, he said he was "disappointed" that he couldn't keep working for a great institution.
You've obviously never fired someone or been fired and had to handle it. Most firings don't go this well.
Agreed I got fired and still had to work closely with my old organization and I screwed them over every chance I got(not saying I'm proud of it). Until I see true firebomb's get thrown I'll stick with classy bit expressing frustration.
Michigania, you are a worthy successor to Great Molk, Rah Glue, and the other RichRod haters on this board. You wrote:
"Coach Moeller has never said a negative word, after having had his team yanked from him. Classy is how Bump Elliott never cried and complained and made excuses after having his team taken away from him."
Oh! Do you believe that Elliot, Moeller, and RichRod were treated similarly while coaching the team? Do you? Really?
Moeller and RRod left on very very different circumstances. RRod didn't perform on the field at the level Michigan required, and can at least make the argument that one more year would have shown his masterpiece. Moeller's leaving was from off the field incidents, and discussing anything controversial about the program would always lead back to that embarassing personal behavior. Bump also had a much clearer record of failure when he was pushed out the door. While I think RRod leaving was probably the best thing for the program now, his record puts him right on the borderline for justifiying a truncated 3 year tenure and I don't really begrudge the guy from politely saying he thinks another year would have made a difference.
Moeller also had a very vested interest in keeping Bo as a close personal friend. To say that Moeller and RR would have had the same motivations to talk or keep quiet is just garbage. Moeller didn't want to upset Bo, Bo would be upset is Moeller talked badly about Michigan.
Not saying that Moeller is a calculating jerk, but it would be against his self interest to talk badly about the university. Also, Michigan was in great shape in the early 90's and fielding top 15 teams. The program wasn't just sitting there with a target on its back.
RR has no more ties here beyond current players and is looking for a job elsewhere.
From the NYT When Moeller was arrested and taken to the Oakland County Jail, officials there had him taken to Providence Hospital, saying they feared alcohol poisoning. Yesterday, the police released a tape they said they made at the hospital. On the tape, Moeller said: "I don't go out to get drunk. My wife was with me. And all of a sudden, this big thing breaks out. This isn't the intent. . . . No, I don't want any mercy. I don't want that. You won't going to let me go? I understand why you can't let me go. And I understand. . . . Do you know how embarrassing this is? . . . I want to keep this . . . thing from my kids. . . . I don't want my kids to see me that way." EDIT: Weird Formatting...
Yeah, how dare RR make public appearances where people might ask him about his last job.
The bridges were burned when he was fired. There will be no returning to Michigan for RR ever in any capacity.
Saying that the team was on the verge of something great [if only I had been given another year like all coaches that show progress should] come across as making an excuse?
I don't think anything he has said thus far would impact future jobs
Given that the guy feels he wasn't treated very fairly with the timing of his firing, I think he's doing a pretty good job of not burning bridges. He could be taking an awful lot of self-serving swipes at Michigan and he isn't.
And compare that to what Brandon did when he announced Hoke -- trumpeting that he would "not need a map of Ann Arbor" and already knew the Victors. How much more blatant could Brandon be in his message -- you've had to deal with an outsider, he made you uncomfortable, don't worry, I've brought back someone who will make you feel safe and secure, like Lloyd did.
I was honestly embarrassed when Brandon said that.
We cut ties with the guy, until he starts trying to drag us through the mud let's just remember the good times we had in his three years and wish him luck at his next job.
Seeing Denard become an NCAA record holder after being considered a long term project out of high school did nothing for you?
UCONN wasn't fun? Players rushing the field after a 67-65 OT win didn't have you feeling anything? And obviously the ND games like you mentioned.
Absolutely agree. That's why RR is no longer the coach here. Doesn't mean we all have to be a dick to the guy, that was my point.
comeback over Wiscy in '08
pasting Minnesota in '08
3OT W against IL
Denard (B1G OPOY, NCAA record setter)
Pasting the Big East Champ in the opener
Great Work with Mott
Stealing Recruits from Purdue
So by your logic, M should have a Heisman Trohpy winner every 4 years. just so all alums can say they went to school when X won the Heisman? You do realize that between Harmon and Desmond, there wer almost 50 years, correct. We have also won 1 (one) MNC in the last 60+ years. The Last time Michigan won the big ten was 2004, so Lloyd had 3 seasons in a row w/o a B10 championship as well.
It is blatantly evident that you are aggrandizing your time as a student, and expecting every year to live up to that "memory" you have of it. I'm sorry to say, but it will never happen.
I'm working on the sequel.
Many of your good times are simply MGoBlog memes.
You're a tool.
DB's statement back then made me pause also. I hope this is the worst that can be said years from now about Michigan's behavior on its side of this split.
perhaps he can coach your new favorite team - the Bolivia Bolivians
former Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez 12:15 p.m.
I wonder when Mitch Albom's book about Rich Rod's three years in Ann Arbor is due for release? It guess it's going to be called "Maize and Bloopers! Why Rich Rodriguez's Tenure at Michigan Was Doomed from the Start." I heard there's lots of juicy stuff in there about how Rodriguez never got to "finish the job" because of "factions" that were in place before he ever arrived. There will be new information about "shredgate" and "swear-o-rama." Also we'll find out the real reason why Justin Boren left for Michigan's archrival school in Ohio. Hint: it has something to do with "family values."
Isn't John Bacon supposed to have been doing research for a book during the 2007-2010 RR period that is going to come out soon?
Googled it for you. It is Bacon and it's due out in the fall. The title is "Third and Long: Three Seasons with Rich Rodriguez and the Michigan Wolverines."