A Closer Look at the Utes

Submitted by alum96 on

A msg poster from Utah was kind enough to post some thoughts from his side of the table in another thread so I will cut and paste his commentary into the first post of this thread.  Here are some tidbits I have found from across the interwebs - these should be generally true.

First, there is no transitive theory in football but USC, Nebraska, and Utah have all feasted on Fresno State this year.  No idea why Nebraska is forced to go play games at the Fresno State's of the world but Nebraska's game was on the road while Utah's was at home.  Since we are far more familiar with Nebraska football then USC football, I'll keep it short and say the box scores look very similar in the Neb-FState and Utah-FState.  Of course please account that these box scores don't break out 1st half versus 2nd half and surely both Nebraska and Utah were playing backups by middle to late 3rd quarter.  So if transitive has any theory expect a team that is maybe 85-95% of Nebraska to show up in AA this Saturday.

 

Utah's Offense

QB Travis Wilson is a very big (6'7 240 lb) man.  His 2013 season was highlighted by a lot of injuries and a lot of INTs, to the tune of 1:1 TD:INT.  This year he has improved to 6 TD: 0 INT.  Completion % thus far is up from 56% to 63%. Fluke due to baby seals? Maybe - but perhaps it's coaching.  After screwing up Arizona State and getting fired Dennis Erickson went to Utah to be OC.  He screwed that up so was demoted after last year to RB coach, and in came Dave Christensen.  D.C. coached the Missouri offense for a decade (think Brad Smith/Chase Daniel), then went to Wyoming to be a HC - that didn't work out and he is back to his OC role.  Early returns with the QB at least seem promising - reduce those turnovers.  Wilson runs a "little bit" - surprising for his size but obviously not a home run threat.  They do have a backup QB who has been playing who is more of a dual threat guy.

RBs - 2 headed Devontae Booker and Bubba Poole.  Booker was a prolific JC transfer who sat out last year and in early returns versus baby seals seems more dangerous.  Poole in 2013 averaged 4.1 per carry.

WRs - Some real danger here if Wilson is not pressured.  Lost 3 of their top 4 WRs but their top guy is Dres Anderson who has a modest 27.9 average reception thru 2 games. That's not a fluke, he average 18.9 per catch in 2013 ... and he had 1000 yards last year even with a meh QB.  He is 6'2 190 so think a tall Gallon.  In a very offense friendly conference he is an All Conference candidate.   Kenneth Scott is also an issue at 6'3 210 - suffered injury in first game of 2013 and missed the season but a 4 star recruit who is currently the reception leader thru 2 games.

TE - 5th year SR here in cool dude named Westlee Tonga (6'4, 250 lbs) who is 3rd on team in receptions with 6.

OL - short and sweet, left side brings 2 experienced starters who played every game last year including another cool name "Junior Salt".  Center has some experience.  Guys on the right side, not so much.

Thoughts - Taylor and Wilson back would be a big help as Utah has the tools to attack via the air.  This is the first real WR Peppers will have seen outside of a practice.  Anderson is better than anything ND threw out there.  Peppers/Lewis and if Taylor gets back should go against him - looks like a guy who would sacrific Countess on a bloody altar. But you can't just worry about him - Kenneth Scott seems like a good player too.  They also have a TE who is useful.

Based on game film I expect any team with the tools to use the pass to open up the run.  This team has the tools.  Our peeps facing right side of their OL need to create pressure as they are inexperienced there.   Doubt their QB has faced an iota of pressure all year so let's do that ok DL?  Utah brings a decent run game but if our run defense is as advertised we should be able to hurt it.  This feels on paper like ND offense with a lesser QB but better WRs. (Edit - Utah plays at a quick pace)

 

Utah's Defense

I did less work on the defense than the offense so will have a shorter review.

DL - SR DE Nate Orchard (6'4, 255) looks to be a beast mode type of player, the kind who can be very scary for either Mason Cole or Ben Braden. Might need the TEs to stay in and help chip in on this guy a lot.  Stanford has a very good OL - Orchard went off for 2 sacks and 2 forced fumbles in that game.  Other DE is less scary.  Utah lost quality DTs to graduation and current set of DTs are not over 300 lbs so won't be like the Notre Dame DTs.

LB - Utah lost its top LB to graduation.  Coach's nephew Jason Whittngham (6'2, 240) was manning the middle - a quality player who apparently dislocated his wrist and is out..  Jared Norris is a decent OLB on 1 side and less experience at the other OLB.

Secondary - Safeties are good and experienced.  FS Eric Rowe was a first team freshmen All American in 2011, and started every game last year.   SS Brian Blechen was a freshmen All American in 2010 who RS last year due to injury.  Corners are first year starters.

Thoughts - Braden and/or Cole better eat their Wheaties.  Expect guard and/or TE help on Orchard all game.  That of course means everyone else has to win 1 v 1 but their DTs dont seem like world beaters... but obviously wont be Miami OH or App State types.  The back 7 took a hit with the loss of their MLB.  Safeties seem the strength of the back 7, so attack the edges - obviously Funchess would be nice to do to that.  But low INT Devin showing up would be nice.  If I was OC for a day maybe I create a rolling pocket for 6-8 plays this game - always rolling away from Orchard.

Not sure how the run game will stack up vs Utah.  They had a good run defense last year (20th in country) but lost a good amount of experience in the front 7.  They have given up a lot of first downs and decent yardage (300+) to baby seals but hard to tell what is happening in those games just from box scores due to backups being in and giving up yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

This feels on paper like a defense we can score quite a bit on if we can slow down Orchard and grrrr... execute.

 

JTrain

September 16th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^

We need a convincing win in a BAD way here. Hate to say it but we are a fragile team. We get blown out....I have a feeling our season crumbles. In return affecting moral, coaching search speculation and recruiting,
If we win and build on the win....we become a force to be reckoned with in the big ten.


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MGoMitten

September 16th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

I'm not sure I agree with the extremes of your prediction, but I definitely agree that this game is a big fork in the road for this team. A win would provide some much needed confidence, and a loss would be a pretty big setback heading into conference play. Hopefully the team is firing on all cylinders Saturday!

Big_H

September 16th, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^

I hope to see us come out and control this game from start to finish. There are a lot of Michigan fans who think this will either be a narrow victory or a loss. We need to come out and play a flawless game.

If we can do this I think it will give us fans a little comfort.

Honestly, I think the Wolverines will surprise us this weekend!!

maize-blue

September 16th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

I was reading their SB Nation site and in one of their articles they kind of alluded to the same thing regarding our defense.

“Utah's tempo may present problems for the Michigan front seven, ala Alabama, as the Wolverines look solid, well coached, and fundamentally sound, but not particularly athletic. If the Utes can speed up the game, Michigan might not have the defensive stamina to keep up.”

The summary of the article was basically that our D was stout in the running game/front seven but the passing game was exploitable.

Pac12Ute

September 16th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^

including QB. Our WR are way better than what you saw at Nore Dame. We have two All-American type RB. Booker could go for over 200 yards, he is due for a breakout. Orchard is a future NFL first round guy, he is fun to watch.I would guess it will take 35-40 points for Michigan to beat us. I predict we score in the mid to high 30's. Our defense did give up 27 to a poor Fresno team so this could be a high scoring game. This is going to be a game where I think the nation will begin to see the Utes are for real and Travis Wilson will get some much deseved national love.

alUmnUs801

September 16th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

Let me just temper this guy for the rest of you while I undo my facepalm.

First of all, Booker, let alone our TEAM, is not running for 200 yards against Michigan's defense.  In fact, based on what I've seen from Michigan this year, even approaching 100 total yards on the ground would be a coup for Utah.  Utah's OL is one of 2 major, unproven liabilities on this team (the other being our LB corps).  They're huge and polynesian, but so what?

With that said, Utah does look to have the most legitimate set of running backs they've had in years and Travis Wilson is definitely a running threat you must account for.  He's deceptively fast at 6'7 and is not afraid to take off.  I probably agree that Wilson and his receivers are a better group than Golson and his receivers, but ND's tight ends and OL by far are better than Utah's.

What I'm interested in is Utah's defensive front against the Michigan run game.  It seems like you guys are pretty predicated on the run.  Offensively, Utah is running around 85 plays per game and is used to playing teams who do about the same.  Historically, Kyle Whittingham defenses have been pretty stout against the run - particularly pro-style ground game - and there's not much reason to believe this year's group is any different.  But like I said earlier, Utah's LBs are an unproven liability and the physical nature of Utah's defensive front has left them vulnerable to some sloppy play and over pursuit and I'm just not sure we have LBs good enough to make up for it.

One other interesting caveat will be field position.  This sounds funny, but Utah's punter is an ace in the hole.  He's an Australian kid ( #1 in the nation right now in punting), with an ability like I've never seen in a punter before to pin the ball inside the 10-5 yard line at will with almost golfer like precision.  He's punted about 10 times this year and only 2 of his punts have not pinned inside the 10 (most pin within the 5).  The reason I bring this up is, because again, it looks like you guys are a pretty run-based team and Utah's strength is stopping the run and if this game becomes a defensive battle, field position will be key.

Probably not any surprise what Utah will try to do....stack the box and force Gardner to make plays with his arm on the run.

And FYI "PAC12Utes" or whatever your name is.....Utah's 3rd stringers gave up 20 to Fresno in garbage time....surely you knew that.

UMgradMSUdad

September 16th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

The few Utah fan posts I've seen all seem to expect a Utah victory, but I do think a lot of that is driven by last year keeping up with some teams that were supposed to demolish them and this year's Michigan-ND game, which to be honest, if I were to see that score as a Utah fan, I'd probably think the same thing.  Like Michigan, Utah has a new OC this year, but they haven't played against even a mediocre defense yet.  The Michigan game will be their first true test.

Michigan4Life

September 16th, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^

Michigan secondary will be tested not because of Utah's tempo, but their WRs especially Dres Anderson who is a NFL prospect in his own right and their best player on the team.  Dres Anderson may not have a top end speed, but his quickness, acceleration and route running is what makes him a tough cover for any CBs.  If Peppers draw the assignment, he better be on his A game or he'll get burned.

Travis Wilson is a solid QB and appears to be much better than last year where he was often feast or famine depending on the game.  Utah offense is explosive, but can be prone to turning the ball over a lot.

Utah defense is very stout and should provide Michigan offense a much stiffer test than Appy State and Miami. They may not have the athletes they once have in the past, but they're a well coached team who can tackle. 

If Michigan takes them lightly, they'll definitely lose to them. It will be a hard fought game right to the end.

Danwillhor

September 16th, 2014 at 5:07 PM ^

before our first game, let alone nd. Not even being negative but I smell a loss. I just do. Don't ask me why but I have before the season. In fact, until I watched nd's first game (golson) I had Utah as our first loss. Just didn't like it.

markusr2007

September 16th, 2014 at 7:42 PM ^

They've had two back-to-back 5-7 seasons in the PAC-12. Whittingham has to be under increased pressure now to turn things around this fall and get them back to a bowl game at least.  They are in a tough division to ever win the PAC-12 now with USC, ASU, UCLA and Arizona.  Tough row to hoe.

Everyone expected Utah to beat Idaho State and Fresno State, but I don't think anyone predicted the manner in which they did it.  Utah thoroughly pulverized these opponents, and probably left another 14 or 17 pts on the field in each game. They did not commit many errors.

Michigan's football team is young and still learning.  They're making a lot of costly mistakes, and allowing inferior teams to hang around, make big plays, and gain from momentum swings.

Utah is very similar to Notre Dame in their offensive style and weaponry.  Golson is better than Wilson, but not by that much.  And I think Utah is way better on defense right now than the Irish are.

I have always had a bad feeling about this game vs. Utah.

It's only Tuesday, but unlike some here, I haven't entirely forgotten the Notre Dame and Miami game performances. Utah has a stout defense. And by now I think we know how Michigan's offense responds against stout defenses. Typically not well.

 

UMgradMSUdad

September 16th, 2014 at 11:21 PM ^

I agree with most of your observations, but not "They did not commit many errors."  Perhaps it's in how you define errors, but I would include penalties as errors, and so far this season, Utah is one of the most penalized teams in the country.  They had 7 penalties in their first game and 12 in their second game.

http://utah.247sports.com/Article/Two-sides-of-Utah-Football-31061942

 

chunkums

September 17th, 2014 at 10:20 AM ^

Utah has passed the eye test over the last couple of weeks. With that said, they return less starters than most teams in the NCAA, and they have only played cupcakes at this point. The jury is out.