Clock start?
The clock did not start until turner got off a dribble and a little more. I dont have a video but can be seen here http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=300710194
Input?
They cheated.
Also, yes, almost a half second before the clock started.
The time elapsed from the moment Turner touched the ball to the moment it left is fingers was about 2.5-2.55 seconds (10 trials and averaged them). Since Turner had about .2-.3 seconds to spare after he shot it, it would've been EXTREMELY close. Poor reaction time by the clock guy, but oh well, I guess. The clock started as soon as Turner's first dribble hit the floor.
But I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm proud of the effort Blue put on the floor today. Sucks it had to end like this.
10 trials. Ranged from 2.22 to 2.45.
Officiating fail. Again.
I said that when I first saw it...but when they counted the shot, i figured, ahhh...what's the point.
He made the shot - bottom line.
But I remember thinking to myself during the play "Hey, the clock didn't start"
Don't know if it would've made the difference, but it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOWr9t56acI Pause at like the 15/16 second mark. Clear as day. Oh well. Moments like this are the reason booze exists.
Really, don't.
We can't start the process of healing until we get passed denial.
By rule there is nothing the refs can do. Unless they catch it as it happens. That would rare and a hard thing to notice as a ref. I know when I ref watching the clock is hard to do since I am watching the kids inbounding(watching his feet not to travel or cross the line) then watching the kid catching it( to see travels or anything else, or fouls if guarded). There is just too much to watch to see the clock and everything else.
Problem is there's no way of knowing how much time should actually come off the clock. At least not one that's available to the officials. So they can't declare the shot no good based on that.
You apparently missed the Butler/Xavier game earlier this year and the bizarre ending where Butler scored with apparently 1.2 to go (or something around that amount of time) and the officials went back and spend like 5 minutes reviewing that sequence because the clock stopped in the middle of it. They determined that Butler had gotten the shot off in time had the clock not stopped, that the clock would have expired as the ball went through the hoop, and declared the game over.
I say in this case though that even if they'd have started it on time, Turner would have just hit a 50 foot shot instead of a 40 footer.
I really wanna know but I don't have the courage to turn the telly back on and watch. I DVR'd it so I could but the pain required to do so is ineffable it's so excruciating.
Actually, use your stop watch and judge yourselves... when my stopwatch hits 2.2, evan is pulling up... they gave him an extra .6 it seems... I started the stopwatch once he touched it, obviously. Whatever, I'm still biased i guess.
the king of the frozen moment
I'm at the end of my rope. Why couldn't they just play a good game, and lose by 10. We had to lose like this, to that school.
I could've swore this happened last season. I don't remember who it was, but I watched some game where the refs reviewed the tape and timed it with their stopwatches to reverse a shot. I remember them talking about it on sportscenter too...It's too late now anyways BUT I'm still bitter and like the guy above me said WTF
edit: Looks like the guy a few posts above me just answered my question. So why didn't they look at it for this game??
Ed Hightower has a stupid haircut.
It sucks like fuck we lost. And he absolutely should have started the clock earlier, but nothing we can do about it.
Their is no way to tell how much time really would have come off anyway, what's the point.
Who gave Spartan Bob his job back?
I agree the clock should have probably started .2 secs or so earlier, but honestly, that stuff happens all the time. It's impossible to be that atomic clock accurate in the moment. A time keeper is always going to wait until the player has the ball, ergo the clock will start a couple tenths after it "should" have started. Go look at the last play of the Michigan-Washington State football game. When Leaf clocks the ball, there was clearly one sec on the clock, but (per usual, and correctly in my view), the clock keeper waits until the ref blows it dead, which always takes another second. It hasn't been until the last couple of years (i.e., since the wide-spread adoption of DVR technology at home and replay at the game site) where this accuracy to one-tenth of a second has come into play (see the Texas McCoy throwing out of bounds play).
I will not spend one second (get it - a pun!) worrying about or blaming the time keeper. Not putting a man on the ball, on the other hand...
One thing always overlooked in that debate is that the officials were slow to start the clock back up after they moved the chains, allowing WSU that extra second in the first place.
I agree about the chain moving. I also note, if one wants to focus on officials, that the play before that had a completely BS non-call on WSU for pass interference. So I don't spend one iota of time thinking about that game with a "Whew, we got away with one" -- b/c we didn't.
What I want from officials is for them to call what they see, not anticipate what they are going to (or think they're going to) see. Thus, you wait until Turner catches it, then you start the clock, which is why there's going to be a .1-.2 sec delay. On the flip side, that's what makes Spartan Bob so bad - beyond the obvious biased homerism, he didn't wait until he saw the official blow the clock dead (which is what he was supposed to do) - he stopped it as soon as he could, anticipating the spike.
There are always delays on starting the clock off an inbounds pass. The officials first have to see a player touch the ball (which is rarely immediate) and then start the clock (which has a reaction time delay). Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that Turner was watching the game-clock to decide when to shoot, so if the clock had a little less time, who's to say that he wouldn't have simply made a 43-footer instead of 40-footer a couple tenths of a second earlier.
Michigan was not screwed by the officials tonight. We certainly have been before (Wisconsin game...possibly a win if it weren't for some of the worst officiating of all time...) but not today. Get over it.
I'm not sure what defense was called during the last 2.2 seconds, but, why give ET the open look?
Or the freedom to catch the inbound pass and dribble across the time line uncovered?
Why not call a time out just before the inbound to talk about their inbound play or just to make them think about changing their play?
It's just plain bad in-game coaching. No way around it. It's not the clock. Just some really bad (in)decisions by Beilein.
March 13th, 2010 at 12:26 AM ^
Should be able to see a guy step on out of bounds line on drive to hoop . He is always over ruling other refs and missing calls . Burr , Valentine , and Hightower suck . Makes we wish Jim Bain was back . Not . I saw Jim Bain eject a fan at Crisler in the 80's . Big ten refs are not good . Gilbert Marchman still believes Charles White scored .