Class of 2013 QBs v Shane Morris

Submitted by alum96 on

Let me preface this by saying I am not attacking Shane Morris but just trying to figure out what is going on and comparing to his peers.  I am not saying he has no future, he is a bust, he is not trying, etc etc.

I am looking ahead to 2015 and am very worried about this offense as outside of Jake Butt I dont see an elite difference maker at any position (assuming Funchess goes to draft).  And with what I have seen from Shane, we face the reality Wilton Speight might be getting his first playing time on the road in Utah to open 2015.  To even have a respectful 2015 we are going to need some QB to be more than "ho hum", with the lack of difference makers everywhere else.

I viewed Shane Morris as a high ceiling low floor type of QB - if he put everything together he would be very Henne like but I was worried about his floor due to what he was missing (accuracy) and some comments at camps about his reading of progressions.  Ironically some of the same issues Devin faces.  But if he figured those things out - combined with a ridiculous arm - he could be a game changer.  I think a few guys on here who coach football, and/or run blogs (hi Magnus) had a similar view of high ceiling low floor.

Early results are dour in a vacuum and not promising versus peers.  He does not have the excuse of not having a so called QB guru coaching him now like he did last year.  I am looking at some QBs in his class ranked at his level or lower and a few of them are thriving - Kenny Hill @ Texas A&M, JT Barrett @ OSU, and Anu Solomon @ Arizona.  They look like typical young pimple faced QBs - some super highs, some lows, some mistakes, some flash plays that make you go wow.  I have not seen those highs from Shane.  

Disputing the LACK OF PRACTICE EXCUSE:   JT Barrett was going to be sitting behind Braxton all year until his injury so he was in the same situation Shane was - and Shane actually got the entire bowl season last year to get 1st string reps and then played in a game.  Meanwhile Hill was sitting behind Manziel all last year and Solomon didnt have a single snap in 2013.

Disputing the OL EXCUSE;  I don't think the OL was great in the bowl game or the Minnesota game but he was not facing doom terror type defenses and the pass protection was 4/10 not 1/10 like it was for some games Devin had to deal with in 2013.  It was not great protection by any means but 8-10 throws in the Minnesota game you should have seen something very promising, even if he was sacked 4x and looked hurried on 10 other throws.

I am confused what is happening here - along with so many other positions in terms of development.  Watching the progression of JT Barrett from lost soul v VA Tech to world beater the last 2 weeks... watching Anu Solomon "manage" a game for Arizona in the toughest venue in college football against the #2 team in the country (dude led multiple 80 yard type drives in that game, making clutch throws and looking like a senior), watching Kenny Hill go into South Carolina in his first game of his career (akin to Shane's first v KSU) and treat them like Purdue, then watching our guy look like Dan Orlvosky circa 2008 is boggling.

I won't even throw Christian Hackenberg into this conversation since he started last year and was #24 in Rivals but here is Shane versus a selection of guys ranked after him.  And to be fair there are other QBs in his class who have yet to see the field.

Shane Morris, #81 rated player in the country 2013, Michigan

  • 14-39 (35.8%), 128 yards, 0 TD 3 INT

Kenny Hill, #137 rated player in country 2013, Texas A&M

  • 155-242 (64.1%), 2110 yards, 21 TD 5 INT

Anu Solomon, #99 rated player in country 2013, Arizona

  • 131-206 (63.6%), 1741 yards, 14 TD 4 INT

JT Barrett, #152 rated player in country 2013, OSU

  • 88-133 (66.2%), 1354 yards, 17 TD 5 INT

BloomingtonBlue

October 5th, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

Alum96 you have many great posts. Unfortunately they all point to how pathetic our team is. Either way thank you for contributions.


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klctlc

October 5th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^

Alum, you answered your own question in the beginning. He can't read his progressions and he is not accurate. End of story because he still can't. Odds are he never will. He is a deer in headlights out there. He is at 33 rpm' sand game is at 78. Is it coaching, sure a little bit, but he is what he is. Pray Malone stays and is good. Or a fifth year guy.

bj dickey

October 5th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^

This kid has started two games. He's smart. He has a rifle arm. Stop already. I remember henne's first two years well and there is no reason to think Shane does not have a great future here beginning next year.

BigBlue02

October 5th, 2014 at 4:42 PM ^

I can think of a couple reasons to think he won't have a great future here. And I'm not sure why you mentioned Chad henne. He started as a true freshmen, was on the all freshmen team, and had 25 touchdowns and 12 interceptions his first year.

alum96

October 5th, 2014 at 2:05 PM ^

I mean cmon man.

Here let me post the first 40ish throws of the other 3 QBs this year.  You can begin to project how the rest of the years went.  Do you think if Shane got 40 more throws this year he would make a 180 degree turn?  Well maybe if Urban was coaching him.

First 40ish throws of each QB this year

Solomon (1 game)

  • 25-44 (56.8%), 425 yards, 4 TD 0 INT

Barrett (2 games)

  • 21-44 (47.7%), 445 yards, 3 TD 4 INT

Hill (1 game)

  • 44-60 (73.3%), 511 yards, 3 TD 0 INT

ChuckieWoodson

October 5th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^

This just isn't the time for this, IMO. Secondly, my understanding is that these other guys are all first string guys. So you're comparing a second string to first string which is not apple's to apple's. To further this, if Shane had been in all year and his first 39 passes had the same result over 250 passes, I'd be with you. However, this is not the case. Lack of game experience and practice with first team have certainly contributed to his poor showing on the field thus far.

Mr. Yost

October 5th, 2014 at 6:50 PM ^

How many do you want to throw? What is the number?

I'm sure if I looked at Navarre and Henne at 39 passes, it would've been enough to show they were going to be pretty good.

Navarre's first 2 games as a freshman - 25/34, 394 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs
---even if you took his worst 2 games, only 1 INT

Henne's first 2 games as a freshman - 39/64, 382 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs
---Henne only had ONE game as a Freshman when he completed under 50% of his passes

Both guys had way better teams, but my questions stand, how long does Morris get? He's a sophomore. Plenty of guys across the country are looking at least "decent" by this point in there career. Morris has looked awful to below average except for a couple of dropped balls earlier in this year vs. Miami (OH).

It's way to early to call it quits or give up on him...but he's shown no promise to this point. I see nothing wrong with this thread.

39%? Come on, that's horrible. He looked awful versus Utah, and we've seen Sheridan, Threet and Bellomy in the last 7 seasons. We would know what awful looks like from that position.

 

alum96

October 5th, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^

Holy smoke - I knew those Henne stats because he is the obvious comparison but didnt realize what a stud that Navarre guy was early!  Probably our least appreciated QB in history relative to performance over career.

ChuckieWoodson

October 5th, 2014 at 8:52 PM ^

My point is that he's been the backup for all but one game. All other qbs have been starters or took over the job. Shanes been used when Devin is hurt or underperforming. Not fair to compare these, imo. Now, it may be that he doesn't have the stuff. But, I'm more of a glass half full guy.

Mr. Yost

October 5th, 2014 at 10:03 PM ^

He's started 2 games and played 7.5 quarters.

He had all bowl season to prepare for ONE team. And he wasn't a true freshman...it was the 13th game of the year. You're not a freshman anymore at that point.

Then he had a full week to prepare for Utah and looked awful all game.

His best game by FAR was the Miami (OH) game and Heitzman and Darboh blew it for him.

Again, I'm not giving up on him...but this "he hasn't had enough time," "he's still so young," "he's been only the backup" stuff has got to stop.

He's in the middle of his sophomore year...so I get it, still time to get things right. But let's not sit and act like he's showed us anything to this point. Let's also not act like it's impossible for a kid with his hype and experience to be good at this point in his career.

BIGBLUEWORLD

October 5th, 2014 at 1:56 PM ^

Interesting evaluation, but way too early.

When he gets a competent head coach, who doesn't leave him hurt and stumbling on the field, he will do okay.  He's shown Devin Gardner-type courage.  I like that.

alum96

October 5th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

So are saying Nuss is not a solid enough coach to develop our QBs?  This would be the implication - those other 3 head coaches have other responsibilities away from position coaching the QB.  It's not apples to apples because obviously Meyer, Sumlin, Rodriquez vs Hoke is a LOL comparison but generally those guys are overseeing the whole team - not being the QB coach.  Nuss is focusing on QBs/offense.

MichAero

October 5th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

I think it is a combo of the Borges QB coaching (or lack thereof) and the system. Those other QBs play in systems designed to take advantage of their strengths and minimize the offenses weaknesses. This again points to coaching. And I thought someone did a rundown of QBs under Borges and it was a horrendous.

alum96

October 5th, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^

How can we still be blaming Borges for this offense?  Is this where I throw Taylor Lewan under the bus for contributing to the lack of cohesion on the 2014 team too? Granted he is doing it from Tennessee but might as well....

MichAero

October 5th, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^

You don't think a year of bad to no coaching can impact a player? I'm not saying anything about the development of anyone else, but I think the QBs can be excused at this point.

I'm looking for the thread I was talking about regarding Borges as a QB developer and I'll post it when I find it.

FWIW: I can't prove it to you because I joined only a few weeks ago, but I thought Borges, while not perfect in gameplanning, was pretty decent. I did think that Nussmeier would be an upgrade in both gameplanning (remains to be seen) and development though. I don't think there is any effect leftover from the offense one way or the other from Borges, but, again, I think that the QBs can rightfully be "excused" thus far.

alum96

October 5th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

I don't understand your argument then.

You are saying on one hand last year's coaching was the issue with Shane this year - then you follow that up by saying Borges was pretty decent. 

My general view of Borges is actually like yours.  I dont think he was an idiot.  He was stubborn and relative to what 2013s team could do with the OL, too complex.  But not a total idiot or the sole reason for all the evils. 

But my larger point is Nuss developed some good QBs at Washington, Bama etc.  He did not turn into a dummy overnight either.  And I dont think Borges was a dummy.  If Hoke was coaching QBs it would be one thing but he is not.  So I think Shane is getting adequate coaching at his position with Nuss.  Enough to be 'decent'.

MichAero

October 5th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^

Our views on Borges are the same as far as an OC goes. My point of contention is that he was a poor developer of QBs. This isn't the exact link I was looking for, but I think this demonstrates it as well:

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/who-al-borges-part-iv-new-hoke

The QBs seem to regress with each year in Borges' system. He starts out looking great, which points to his skill as an OC. But as he stays in one place, each year the QBs get worse.

I'm not saying Morris will be the next great QB, but I think after giving him a full year with an actual QB coach we will better be able to tell what he is.

Jason80

October 5th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

I would imagine he could. His staff was the first pro staff to get consistent above average play from Alex Smith and then they were able to fill the script in many ways and utalize a 2nd year pro to take them to the superbowl.

TheBoLineage--

October 5th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

as Interim-HC.  I do NOT see what the problem is.

 

Unless you want Nuss to do some RRod Stuff, and have Morris RUN 20-25 times a game, like with DRob  . . .

 

 

BornSinner

October 5th, 2014 at 2:10 PM ^

You realize theres such thing as a passing spread or air raid type offense right? The spread that RR runs at Arizona is way different from what he ran here mostly because Solomon is a better passer than DRob was. Hence he's ADJUSTING to his TALENT, something this coaching staff is too stubborn/inept to do.